Neo Nazis get messed up.

[Dejavu]

Tajik Kills Three Neo-Nazis, Placed on Interpol Watch List

Posted April 21st, 2009

Police in the Moscow suburb or Kolomna have persuaded Interpol to
place a Tajik man on an international wanted list after determining
that he killed three neo-Nazis, according to an April 17, 2009 report
by Newsru.com. According to a police spokesperson, Saidzhon Radzhabov
came to the aid of two Tajik men whom the neo-Nazis were beating at a
Kolomna train station during what the far-right calls "cleansing
operations." He took out a knife and killed one of the assailants,
20-year-old Maskim Danilin, on the spot; the two other extremists, age
18 and 20, died later in a hospital. The Kolomna police believe Mr.
Radzhabov is hiding in Tajikistan.


http://www.ucsj.org/news/tajik-kills-three-neo-nazis-placed-interpol-watch-list

[Woland]

Let's just say I can't describe how I feel right now.

[Dóchas]

so wait a sec...he is wanted for killing three guys who were taking part in "cleansing operations" and were probably going to kill two innocents?

oh man thats fucked up

[Dimentio]

Tajik Kills Three Neo-Nazis, Placed on Interpol Watch List

Posted April 21st, 2009

Police in the Moscow suburb or Kolomna have persuaded Interpol to
place a Tajik man on an international wanted list after determining
that he killed three neo-Nazis, according to an April 17, 2009 report
by Newsru.com. According to a police spokesperson, Saidzhon Radzhabov
came to the aid of two Tajik men whom the neo-Nazis were beating at a
Kolomna train station during what the far-right calls "cleansing
operations." He took out a knife and killed one of the assailants,
20-year-old Maskim Danilin, on the spot; the two other extremists, age
18 and 20, died later in a hospital. The Kolomna police believe Mr.
Radzhabov is hiding in Tajikistan.


http://www.ucsj.org/news/tajik-kills-three-neo-nazis-placed-interpol-watch-list

I have seen a video with two Russian neonazis decapitating a man. I do not feel so very sorry for these guys. They would have killed two men had not this man intervened. Then the question is always, what level of violence is acceptable.

[Communist Theory]

Fuck the nazi scum they all deserve to die.
I hope the doctor's didn't even try to save their pathetic lives.

[Phalanx]

That sounds perfectly justified.

[communard resolution]

Then the question is always, what level of violence is acceptable.

I'm not one to advocate the murder of politically confused teenagers per se, and as you may remember from a recent thread I'm critical of bourgeois anti-fascism too.

But the situation in Russia is a very specific one. Neo-nazis may not rule the country nominally, but they do hold the power in the streets. 21 people have been killed in hate crimes since the beginning of the year (source (http://xeno.sova-center.ru/6BA2468/6BB41EE/CBC7247)). Russian nazis brag on websites that police are siding with them, and mainstream politicians keep stirring nationalist feelings.

In a climate like this, it's very hard to call violent acts against neo-nazis anything but self-defence. In this case, someone attempted to defend an innocent man against a gang that would have most likely killed him.

And now, after all these years of looking the other way, or at best letting murderous nazis get away with a slap on their wrist, Russian authorities have the nerve to involve Interpol in a hunt against a Tajik who dared standing up to the fash?

I guess at least there's three Russian nazis less now. It makes the streets of their neighbourhood a little bit safer, but not a lot.

[GPDP]

This is a very, very unfortunate situation Russia is in right now. The Soviet Union was instrumental in the defeat of fascism, yet now it is overrun with Neo Nazis. Same with most of the post-Soviet bloc countries.

And now, killing a few of those thugs turns you into a felon. How fucked up is that?

I may not have cared much for the SU and its satellites, but I would never have wished this upon them.

[SoupIsGoodFood]

No matter what you believe, I don't think you should be murdered in cold blood. However, these motherfuckers were about to kill two innocent people s o its cool.

[STJ]

Tajik Kills Three Neo-Nazis, Placed on Interpol Watch List

Posted April 21st, 2009

Police in the Moscow suburb or Kolomna have persuaded Interpol to
place a Tajik man on an international wanted list after determining
that he killed three neo-Nazis, according to an April 17, 2009 report
by Newsru.com. According to a police spokesperson, Saidzhon Radzhabov
came to the aid of two Tajik men whom the neo-Nazis were beating at a
Kolomna train station during what the far-right calls "cleansing
operations." He took out a knife and killed one of the assailants,
20-year-old Maskim Danilin, on the spot; the two other extremists, age
18 and 20, died later in a hospital. The Kolomna police believe Mr.
Radzhabov is hiding in Tajikistan.


http://www.ucsj.org/news/tajik-kills-three-neo-nazis-placed-interpol-watch-list
Mr. Radzhabov is a fucking hero!!!

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Yes he is. It's disgraceful that he should be a wanted man. At least the three scumbags got what was coming to them.

[Bud Struggle]

Man, he's one tough bastard to take on three guys at once--and kill them all. FYI, if he was in Florida he would never be charged with a crime.

[Robert]

According to a police spokesperson, Saidzhon Radzhabov
came to the aid of two Tajik men whom the neo-Nazis were beating at a
Kolomna train station during what the far-right calls "cleansing
operations." He took out a knife and killed one of the assailants,
20-year-old Maskim Danilin, on the spot

If the report is accurate, the force was justified as defense of another regardless of the political affiliations of any of the actors.

[Robert]

Soviet Union was instrumental in the defeat of fascism, yet now it is overrun with Neo Nazis.

Do you have any references for this?

[#FF0000]

Do you have any references for this?

The Soviet Union captured Berlin.

[Dimentio]

I'm not one to advocate the murder of politically confused teenagers per se, and as you may remember from a recent thread I'm critical of bourgeois anti-fascism too.

But the situation in Russia is a very specific one. Neo-nazis may not rule the country nominally, but they do hold the power in the streets. 21 people have been killed in hate crimes since the beginning of the year (source (http://xeno.sova-center.ru/6BA2468/6BB41EE/CBC7247)). Russian nazis brag on websites that police are siding with them, and mainstream politicians keep stirring nationalist feelings.

In a climate like this, it's very hard to call violent acts against neo-nazis anything but self-defence. In this case, someone attempted to defend an innocent man against a gang that would have most likely killed him.

And now, after all these years of looking the other way, or at best letting murderous nazis get away with a slap on their wrist, Russian authorities have the nerve to involve Interpol in a hunt against a Tajik who dared standing up to the fash?

I guess at least there's three Russian nazis less now. It makes the streets of their neighbourhood a little bit safer, but not a lot.

The sad thing is that this won't help one bit to make the situation safer. Rather, it makes it worse for all Caucasians and Central Asians living in Russia. Personally, I believe that Russia is deteriorating towards becoming an ethnocracy of Serbian style.

Just look at this video of a funeral of a neonazi in Moscow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIAGwkC54wQ

[Robert]

The Soviet Union captured Berlin.

Is that a joke? I wasn't asking that; I was asking about the reference to neo-nazis overrunning the "Soviet Union," by which I guess he meant Russia.

[#FF0000]

Is that a joke? I wasn't asking that; I was asking about the reference to neo-nazis overrunning the "Soviet Union," by which I guess he meant Russia.

Half-joke.

But, yes. White-Supremacists are all over the place in Russia right now.

See: http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/EUR46/022/2006

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Man, he's one tough bastard to take on three guys at once--and kill them all. FYI, if he was in Florida he would never be charged with a crime.
I reckon in most places he wouldn't be charged (most common law places anyway, I can't speak for other places). Bet he'll get all the chicks when he gets out though.

[Chambered Word]

I just read this thread and I'm raging so hard right now that he was put on Interpol....WHAT THE HELL, THIS GUY IS A LEGEND, FFFFFUUUUUU-


I'm not one to advocate the murder of politically confused teenagers per se, and as you may remember from a recent thread I'm critical of bourgeois anti-fascism too.

All Nazis are the same. They all grow up to beat up people. Even when they're young, in Russia they'll kill people. It's kill or let others be killed (or be killed yourself if you happen to not be a clean, Aryan race).

But on the same topic, you should find some Russians on a Nazi message board and let them know that you completely agree with their ideology, particularly the part where Hitler declared the Slavic race to be subhuman animals. That will ruffle their feathers.

Personally I would like to go to Russia, get a weapon and a suppressor and stalk down some fascists. Would be lots of good clean fun.

[khad]

Let's just say I can't describe how I feel right now.
We all feel the same way.

[Pogue]

As far as I'm concerned the guy who killed the nazis is a fucking hero and I hope he never gets arrested.

[ls]

Saidzhon Radzhabov is without doubt a hero. I hope he never gets caught.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

Agreed.

[вор в законе]

Tajik Kills Three Neo-Nazis, Placed on Interpol Watch List

Posted April 21st, 2009

Police in the Moscow suburb or Kolomna have persuaded Interpol to
place a Tajik man on an international wanted list after determining
that he killed three neo-Nazis, according to an April 17, 2009 report
by Newsru.com. According to a police spokesperson, Saidzhon Radzhabov
came to the aid of two Tajik men whom the neo-Nazis were beating at a
Kolomna train station during what the far-right calls "cleansing
operations." He took out a knife and killed one of the assailants,
20-year-old Maskim Danilin, on the spot; the two other extremists, age
18 and 20, died later in a hospital. The Kolomna police believe Mr.
Radzhabov is hiding in Tajikistan.


http://www.ucsj.org/news/tajik-kills-three-neo-nazis-placed-interpol-watch-list

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:NUVmiKjVIKHauM:http://www.timswineblog.com/%7EASSETS/IMG/upload/ChampagnePOP.jpg

[Il Medico]

My feelings on this are complicated but I think I can sum it up in two words, FUCK THAT! He should be hailed as a hero, not hunted like a criminal! That is so fucked up!
Continue the fight for justice comrades,
Captain Jack

[Comrade B]

Fuck the reactionary Russian government, this man is a hero. He saved two innocents' lives at the expense of 3 would be murderer scum bags. These neo-nazis need to be routed out, the leaders punished, and the followers re-educated.

[RGacky3]

My opinion is it does'nt matter if the 3 were neo nazis, lawers, or hippy socialists, defending someone from getting killed, and killing the agressor in the process IS NOT MURDER. I think everyone pretty much agrees.


and the followers re-educated.

? ? ? ?

[Dóchas]

and the followers re-educated.


ye i dont really understand how anyone would be able to achieve this. they are extreme rightwing nutcases who are willing to kill for their beliefs do you really think they will be re-educated? just like that?

[Melbourne Lefty]

The sad thing is that this won't help one bit to make the situation safer. Rather, it makes it worse for all Caucasians and Central Asians living in Russia. Personally, I believe that Russia is deteriorating towards becoming an ethnocracy of Serbian style.

Just look at this video of a funeral of a neonazi in Moscow.

hIAGwkC54wQ

Its important to look at things like this and realise that its not a game, these people are deathly serious about their ideology and their aims, they are not simply a product of false consiousness but of a strong and competing worldview to our own.

They truely believe that race, not class is the determining factor in human existence.

[Steve_j]

The police are either unable or dont want to deal with the issue of the far right and racist attacks. Whilst i am not usually one to promote violence, the people have a right to defend themselves and others from these issues. Hats of to the man, i hope he is safe.

[Comrade B]

ye i dont really understand how anyone would be able to achieve this. they are extreme rightwing nutcases who are willing to kill for their beliefs do you really think they will be re-educated? just like that?
My grandfather was a paratrooper in an upper division of the Nazi army in the second world war. He was captured during the war and sent to a British POW camp where he attended classes about Nazism. He never spoke once to his family about his war experience, it was the greatest shame he ever had that he fought for such a wrong cause.
If the Nazi tools are harming someone at the time though, go ahead and kill them, however you want. They are a danger to someone completely innocent and must be stopped.

[Dóchas]

My grandfather was a paratrooper in an upper division of the Nazi army in the second world war. He was captured during the war and sent to a British POW camp where he attended classes about Nazism. He never spoke once to his family about his war experience, it was the greatest shame he ever had that he fought for such a wrong cause.
If the Nazi tools are harming someone at the time though, go ahead and kill them, however you want. They are a danger to someone completely innocent and must be stopped.

im sorry to hear that but he may have been forced to join the army? (i dunno im just going on what the norm was). if so the difference between your grandfather and the nazis today is that they have chosen what they want to believe in and fight for.

[RedArmyUK]

Tajik Kills Three Neo-Nazis, Placed on Interpol Watch List

Posted April 21st, 2009

Police in the Moscow suburb or Kolomna have persuaded Interpol to
place a Tajik man on an international wanted list after determining
that he killed three neo-Nazis, according to an April 17, 2009 report
by Newsru.com. According to a police spokesperson, Saidzhon Radzhabov
came to the aid of two Tajik men whom the neo-Nazis were beating at a
Kolomna train station during what the far-right calls "cleansing
operations." He took out a knife and killed one of the assailants,
20-year-old Maskim Danilin, on the spot; the two other extremists, age
18 and 20, died later in a hospital. The Kolomna police believe Mr.
Radzhabov is hiding in Tajikistan.


http://www.ucsj.org/news/tajik-kills-three-neo-nazis-placed-interpol-watch-list


Oh my,, I think i,ve just cum :D

[Dóchas]

Oh my,, I think i,ve just cum :D

only now? :huh: (;))

[RedArmyUK]

only now? :huh: (;))

Only just found post ;)

[Dóchas]

Only just found post ;)

i joke i joke but still, three less nazis to worry about :)

[RedArmyUK]

i joke i joke but still, three less nazis to worry about :)

agreed 100%, just a shame not everyone on here would agree with us :confused:, Soft fuckers !

[Black Sheep]

It's a shame that young kids are pushed to such violent acts, by such a repulsive ideology.

It's a shame, but they had it coming.

[Comrade B]

im sorry to hear that but he may have been forced to join the army? (i dunno im just going on what the norm was). if so the difference between your grandfather and the nazis today is that they have chosen what they want to believe in and fight for.
I think it is more a matter of what the people were raised to believe, if we can break their old beliefs, they could potentially rejoin the sane. Yes, my grandfather was forced into the army, however I have a couple relatives who joined the military willingly and also feel very ashamed about it.

[F9]

Do i feel bad for the death of 3 humans?
NO as those fuckers are actually no humans!
I hope the guy gets away with it and he dont gets arrested though!

[Comrade B]

Feel terrible for the guy having to run. No mercy for the Nazi pigs attacking innocents.

[communard resolution]

Do i feel bad for the death of 3 humans?
NO as those fuckers are actually no humans!

Wait. Didn't you post these lines in a thread on punishment of murderers?


We dont want to "punish" people but to make them understand their wrongs, and get back with everyone and live their free life.
You should take the "criminal" from another view point, the view of the person him/her self, and why was s/he forced to do something so terrible like murder
So we should take care of him as a "patient" not as a "criminal".So eventually when he is okay, rejoin the society, feel good with him/herself and enjoy the life others died for.

[RGacky3]

Ohhh, sumova*****

[F9]

Wait. Didn't you post these lines in a thread on punishment of murderers?

I am talking there about an Anarchist/Communist society, not the current bullshit system.

[Bud Struggle]

I am talking there about an Anarchist/Communist society, not the current bullshit system.

And in the Anarchist/Communist Society would you punish people if they wanted to charge the world into a Fascist Society--or would that be their right as Anarchist?

[F9]

And in the Anarchist/Communist Society would you punish people if they wanted to charge the world into a Fascist Society--or would that be their right as Anarchist?

They will simply wont...If they try, we can defend ourselves, the one comes to kill me, im not going to wait him to kill me..
Its not their right to want kill others, its their right to do whatever they want with themselves not others, rights and Anarchism dont means do whatever i want, nor freedom, my freedom ends where the other starts.If they are walking in the streets and just talking i would just laughing my arse off on the idiots, if they try to attack others, we will just not let them do it.Besides its kinda stupid expecting to hear such "voices" in those societys, if and when they will achived i don think there are going to be people support a psycho who thinks is better than others and wants to kill the "jew, black,italian, whatever".

Fuserg9:star:

[communard resolution]

I am talking there about an Anarchist/Communist society, not the current bullshit system.

I still don't follow. In the current bullshit system we are not supposed to feel sorry for them because they are "not humans", but in an anarchist/communist society we will just "make them understand their wrongs, and get back with everyone and live their free life" and "enjoy the life others died for"?

Sorry, but this looks a bit like an inconsistency to me. Care to explain how we're supposed to switch our attitudes towards murderers so drastically? And what does the current bullshit system have to do with leftists' views on murder and punishment?

[Blackscare]

Nero, to me the difference is that we're talking about a situation where this man's actions would mean life or death for innocent people, not execution as punishment after the fact in an anarchist society, which is the situation fuserg9 was talking about in those quotes.


One is defensive violence, the other is calculated execution as punishment. Not comparable at all.

[f-thesystem]

as many have said before me, i also believe that the man should have been hailed as a hero, not hunted like a criminal

russia - 3 Neo-nazi's = 3 steps closer to destroying facism/racism

[OneNamedNameLess]

Neo-Nazis are associated with many murders of immigrants in Russia. A fucking cleansing operation? This man saved lives as these monsters were hell bent on murder. How would you have reacted in his situation? Antifa should track this guy and recruit him :D

[communard resolution]

Nero, to me the difference is that we're talking about a situation where this man's actions would mean life or death for innocent people, not execution as punishment after the fact in an anarchist society, which is the situation fuserg9 was talking about in those quotes.

Maybe that's what he meant. Personally, I would probably have trouble just handing them a cookie and 'letting them enjoy their free life' that 'others died for' if they had managed to murder the poor guy - bullshit system or not. But what do I know.

[Robert]

Russian authorities have the nerve to involve Interpol in a hunt against a Tajik who dared standing up to the fash?There's something that doesn't add up in this story and the uproar. The insinuation everyone is making is that the Russian Police are Nazi apologists or protectors. But if that were the case, why would their version of the story include this, from the OP:

According to a police spokesperson, Saidzhon Radzhabov
came to the aid of two Tajik men whom the neo-Nazis were beating at a Kolomna train station.

The problem probably isn't that he "came to their aid" or was "standing up to the fash," but that you just can't use a deadly weapon in Russia, even in self defense. If you can't use a weapon in self defense, I don't see how you can use one in defense of another.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Russian-Law-2502/Russian-legal-code-question.htm

Maybe bad law, but not pro-fascist.

[communard resolution]

But the police are not the ones who make the laws, are they? They do, however, hold a certain amount of power to enact or not enact the existing laws against certain people. I haven't heard of one Russian fascist who had to go into hiding because the police started a large scale chase. They kill between 60 or 70 people a year and more often than not get away with it.

Some time ago, I was naive enough to believe that if international pressure were put on the Russian authorities, they might feel obliged to do something against neo-Nazi terror in their country (I probably thought this in desperation because I couldn't think of anything else that could possibly be done - Antifa aren't very numerous there). But then I just learned about one case too many where Russian police or judges turned a blind eye (while vehemently surpressing anti-fascists) and read one neo-Nazi comment on the internet too many where they bragged that "our police are right-wing, they're with us".

Make no mistake, there are even neo-fascist activists in the Russian Duma - if you think this is hysteric gibberish, I will point you to a documentary on Russian neo-nazism or two.

The Russian laws may not be pro-fascist, but the ways in which they are currently enacted certainly are. Do not underestimate the sympathy, support, and freedom to do as they please ultra-nationalists enjoy in Russia.

[Robert]

But the police are not the ones who make the laws, are they?


No. They should enforce the law equally, of course.


if you think this is hysteric gibberish

Please. I accept that there are pro-fascist police in Russia. I'm not sure, because I just don't know, whether this particular stabbing was justified under Russian law. (On this board, it doesn't seem to matter, especially since all police are pigs) But was this 6 big adult brown shirts kicking a little old lady to death with heavy workboots? Or was it four 17 year olds skinheads shoving and slapping around another teen? Nero, I know that you accept those as reasonable questions if the nuts around here do not.

I am pretty sure that the police would be roundly denounced if they did not enforce the weapons law I mention, especially if it were a Nazi stabbing a Tajik to stop a beating. Agreed?


Do not underestimate the sympathy, support, and freedom to do as they please ultra-nationalists enjoy in Russia.


Okay.

[Dust Bunnies]

This man is a hero for saving those men. "Evil exists in the world not because of those who do evil but because of those who do nothing."