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Dr Mindbender
25th April 2009, 13:14
The latest gaff from cyclops. Not racist, eh? :rolleyes:

Part of me is wondering how this will go down with the centre right mob, in the wake of the storm of the Gurkhas being denied citizenship.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8011878.stm



British National Party (BNP) chairman Nick Griffin has defended a party leaflet which says that black Britons and Asian Britons "do not exist".
The BNP's "Language and Concepts Discipline Manual" says the term used should be "racial foreigners".
In a BBC interview, Mr Griffin said to call such people British was a sort of "bloodless genocide" because it denied indigenous people their own identity.
Mr Griffin is standing in the European Parliament elections in June.


'Politically correct fiction'
The BNP manual, leaked to the anti-fascist group Searchlight and seen by the BBC, says that "BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist".
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"These people are 'black residents' of the UK etc, and are no more British than an Englishman living in Hong Kong is Chinese.
"Collectively, foreign residents of other races should be referred to as 'racial foreigners', a non-pejorative term... The key in such matters is above all to maintain necessary distinctions while avoiding provocation and insult."
The manual describes the BNP's "ultimate aim" as the "lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK".
Commenting on the leaflet's content, Mr Griffin told The Report on Radio 4 that although "in civic terms they are British, British also has a meaning as an ethnic description".
"We don't subscribe to the politically correct fiction that just because they happen to be born in Britain, a Pakistani is a Briton. They're not; they remain of Pakistani stock.
"You can't say that especially large numbers of people can come from the rest of the world and assume an English identity without denying the English their own identity, and I would say that's wrong," he added.
"In a very subtle way, it's a sort of bloodless genocide."


Delighted'
Mr Griffin was also candid about the significance the BNP places on the slogan "British jobs for British workers".
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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif I certainly regret the fact that the BNP could be using language we've used in order to legitimise what I regard as divisive, pernicious policies http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif








The Prime Minister Gordon Brown famously used the phrase in a speech about skills training.
Mr Griffin claimed the prime minister borrowed the rhetoric from his party.
"When I heard Gordon Brown use our slogan - British jobs for British workers - I was delighted," he said.
"What Mr Brown actually meant when he said British jobs for British workers is of course down to Mr Brown.
"But there's no doubt that it was perceived - and was intended to be perceived - by millions of ordinary Brits as meaning that they would be at the front of the queue in front of economic migrants from anywhere else in the world."
"So having raised our slogan, promised it, we feel that he's legitimised our message."


'Pernicious'
Hazel Blears, secretary of state for Communities and Local Government, said she rejected Mr Griffin's charge that the prime minister's use of the phrase represents an endorsement of BNP policy.
"I certainly regret the fact that the BNP could be using language we've used in order to legitimise what I regard as divisive, pernicious policies which will actually do working class people no good at all," she said.
"What I don't regret is the fact that we need to have a proper discussion in this country about making sure that British people have a chance to get the skills, the education, to be able to get the jobs of the future."
The "British jobs for British workers" slogan was widely repeated during the BNP's recent council by-election campaign in Moston in Manchester, where the party's candidate, local publican Derek Adams, came second.
Moston is in the North West region, where the BNP hopes its supporters will elect Mr Griffin as the party's first MEP in the European Parliamentary elections on 4 June. Nominations close on 7 May.
Under the proportional representation system used in European elections, the BNP would need around 9% of the vote; in the last elections the party won 6.4%.

Sean
25th April 2009, 16:32
If you want to read it, theres a thread about it being on wikileaks (http://www.revleft.com/vb/ill-just-leave-t107253/index.html).

Rjevan
25th April 2009, 21:58
I hope that some Black and Asian Britons catch him in a dark narrow street and beat him up. I mean, it would be hard to sue them, "for the simple reason that such persons do not exist".

Pogue
25th April 2009, 22:16
I must be going crazy, I see loads of black and Asian people around here who are into similar things as me and live in the same area :confused::confused::confused: But they don't even exist O_O They're all of 'Pakistani stock', or whatever the fuck that means. Oh, Nick, when will you get your head out of your arse.

I don't really care about national identity at all, but for 99% of people and for 100% of sane people, British simply refers to living in Britain. The 'ethnic' side is completely irrelevant to people, its meaningless, empty. It refers to nothing other than some construct of Mr Griffin and his fellow 'vanguard of the white race' nutjobs wet dreams. As we know its just so pathetically irrelevant its not worth considering. There are Black and Asian Britons because there are black and asian people who live in Britain. Same as how there are black and asian Londoners because there are black and asian people who live and work in London. Do you need to be 'ethnically' a Londoner to be a Londoner? The grand fuhrer needs to make his points a bit clearer, me thinks, at the moment it sounds like he's talking a load of shit. Then again, when did he say anything other than a load of shit?

'Ethnicity' is a social construct, and is so not grounded in reality. It refers to nothing in the real world. We know this and the majority of people know this. Sadly some people are part of the vicious sect of people who feel a need for an identity through some strange messed up idea of 'ethnic identity'. Fuck that. Pointless shit. I am 'British' in so far as I happen to live here. I'm a Londoner primarily, because I live work and play here. Same goes for anyone, regardless of hether or not their heritage goes back to 'solid English yeomen' or whatever the Bollocks Nazi Pricks happen to say in their next peice of embarassing self-satirising propoganda. How far back do we have to go to be 'ethnically British' anyway? Do we have to prove we descend from the first group of primitive humans who wandered across the ice bridge and ended up in the same area as we live now? Or maybe we have to have had a relative who fought in the hundreds year war? I went on holiday to Spain once, do I count?

This man talks shit. He acts as if it even matters. British is meaningless to most people and only becomes 'apparent' when tossers like Griffin and Gordon Brown talk shit about it to stir up a national pride that doesn't really exist. If an Asian person lives in Britain then they can call themselves a Briton. Same goes for anyone. Of course they can do it. I don't think its really worth doing, but they can do it, because they live here. But for most people its just something handy to use when filling in those official forms when it comes down to ethnicity. Its not a huge part of anyones social identity because what nation you are in is irrelevant to most peoples lives in my opinion (and in the reality I see), mattering little beyond who you support come the World Cup. But to say that one person is British becuase they are white and another isn't because their parents were from Pakistan is absolutely baseless as being British is a mixture of state of mind and the physical reality of standing within the borders defined as 'Britain'.

Melbourne Lefty
26th April 2009, 06:04
This man talks shit. He acts as if it even matters. British is meaningless to most people and only becomes 'apparent' when tossers like Griffin and Gordon Brown talk shit about it to stir up a national pride that doesn't really exist.


I think you greatly underestimate the level of feeling out there.

If it wasnt for the BNP having its decidedly nazi history they may have made far greater inroads than they already have.

Sean
26th April 2009, 06:21
Many black and ethnic minority people now living in Britain, and indeed born here, would wholeheartedly support all of these policies of the British National Party and are wanting to vote for the BNP, and be seen to stand with the BNP, on these issues. This happened in particular in Barking and Dagenham. The BNP’s policies are therefore not racist: they are simply common sense."The BNP’s Reverend Robert West Replies to the Church’s Anti-BNP Cranks" (http://bnp.org.uk/2009/04/the-bnp%E2%80%99s-reverend-robert-west-replies-to-the-church%E2%80%99s-anti-bnp-cranks/)

Not only do they not exist, these nonexistent people in fact love the BNP!

disobey
26th April 2009, 18:33
I hope that some Black and Asian Britons catch him in a dark narrow street and beat him up. I mean, it would be hard to sue them, "for the simple reason that such persons do not exist".

This is the stuff of legends. :)

Melbourne Lefty
27th April 2009, 04:39
From the BNP perspective people who are from a different "Tribe" but live in the UK may be British citizens [as in the paperwork] but still not be "British" in a tribal sense.

I dont think anyone here seriously believes that old Cyclops actually meant that dark skinned people dont actually exist in the UK.

This is not a Gaffe, its dangerous and its an accurate view of core BNP ideology. Not so much danger for us as for the likes of New-Labour. We have never pretended that being "British" was anything of worth at all, New Labour and its ilk have tried to make holding a piece of paper with "British" printed on it mean something.

If the likes of the BNP and ethnic minority groups begin to say that the piece of paper they have been sold isnt worth anything, and that real identity lies in the blood or in faith, then it may be an issue for all of us.

Our aim is of course similar, to convince people that Faith, Blood and the piece of paper are all equally worthless. That only class matters.

Sadly we dont seem to be doing that so well these days.