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Code
25th April 2009, 07:20
I know this has probably been touched over a thousand time (especially by redstar2k), but why is every leftist against it so much?

mikelepore
25th April 2009, 07:37
Some people say dialectics is a kind of logic, but then no one has ever shown a case where the method can distinguish unambiguously between a true proposition and a false proposition.

Some people say dialectics, or dialectical materialism, is a science. And yet, while we could easily rattle off fifty or a hundred general principles discovered in the fields of chemistry, optics, thermodynamics, anatomy, etc., defined in precise and unambiguous terms, no one who defends dialectics ever seems to be able to report any conclusions that can be applied directly to anything. Everything related to dialectics has to be interpreted subjectively as though we were reading Tarot cards or the I Ching.

Rosa Lichtenstein
25th April 2009, 12:18
There are several reasons:

(1) It is easy to show it makes no sense, and so cannot be used to change the world (but it does succeed in confusing comrades).

(2) It has undeniable roots in ruling-class thought, and thus represents a non-working class view of the world (hence its other faults; see below).

(3) Because it makes a virtue out of 'contradiction', it can be, and has been used to defend all manner or counter-revolutionary and anti-Marxist political doctrines, and their opposites, sometimes 24 hours later.

(4) It insulates militant minds from the facts (thus preventing the scientific development of Marxism). For example, because it teaches that surface 'appearances' 'contradict' underlying reality, it prevents dialectically-distracted comrades from acknowledging the long-term failure of Dialectical Marxism. In many cases, because it encourages comrades to see failure as its opposite, its 'contradictory', 'success' (or 'success' about to happen any day soon), they refuse to admit (they won't even countenance the possibility) that their core theory (dialectics) has anything to do with this! So, even though dialectics teaches that everything is interconnected, apparently, the only two things in the entire universe that are not linked in any way at all are: a) the long-term decline of Dialectical Marxism and b) its core theory! That is how much it confuses otherwise alert miltant minds!

(5) It exacerbates (but does not cause) sectarianism.

(6) Because it is a source of consolation for the long-term failure of Dialectical Marxism (for reasons outlined in (4) above), its acolytes cling on to it like grim death, and become highly irrational and emotive in its defence. [Watch how they reply to this post!]

There are other reasons why this mystical creed is deleterious to Marxism, but these will do for now.

More details here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/page%2009_02.htm

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/page%20010_01.htm