KARL MARX THE SATANIST (and other accusations)

[bailey_187]

lol, wtf
http://www.amazon.com/Karl-Marx-Satanist-Richard-Wurmbrand/dp/B0006WZW1O/ref=cm_lmf_tit_14

"_Marx and Satan_ by Richard Wurmbrand is a small book that advances the theory that Karl Marx was a member of a Satanic cult."

Of all this accusations levied against Marx, this has to be the most bizarre


Also found this:

http://www.amazon.com/Were-Marx-Engels-White-racists/dp/B0006C4YD6/ref=cm_lmf_tit_13

"1972: This is an EXCELLENT booklet written by an afrocentric group that examines quotes from Marx and Engels on issues of race and ethnicity. Why did Marx praise slavery? Who did Engels say would perish in a 'revolutionary holocaust'? Whose culture did Marx see it necessary to 'annihilate'? Why did Karl use 'the N word' to refer to his son-in-law? "


Taken from an Amazon list called "Dark Marxism" lol

[Pirate Utopian]

The prolet-Aryan outlook of Marx and Engels

:lol:

[Angry Young Man]

I was in a bookshop in Cardiff (trying to waste time. It was near work) and I saw a book called the Century of Socialist Catastrophe. Now I knew that this would be reactionary nonsense, but what I didn't expect was a book about that great revolutionary Cmde. Hitler :rolleyes:. Second thing that shocked me was the amount of high praise from historians who I'd previously thought about as 'yes, reactionary, but at least mostly rational and intelligent.'

[ZeroNowhere]

:lol:
Marx? That Jewish dude, you mean?

Anyways, I've already seen this book, and am hoping to buy it (or just take it) someday. Then I'll read it, and put it on a pedestal next to a red flag with a black \m/ on it.

[NecroCommie]

I badly want to purge these kinds of authors.

[frozencompass]

I badly want to purge these kinds of authors.

Stalin says "welcome". =p

[Leo]

"_Marx and Satan_ by Richard Wurmbrand is a small book that advances the theory that Karl Marx was a member of a Satanic cult."

Of all this accusations levied against Marx, this has to be the most bizarre

Oh yes. I haven't read it it but I read about it. As far as I remember one of the most major proofs of old Karl's satanism was his hair and beard style.

[Angry Young Man]

It's true that many men in the mid-C19th sported full beards, but only Karl Marx had a DEVIL beard!

[Comrade B]

They have found out, now we must sacrifice them to Satan along with the freshly spilled blood of a goat. Romantic Revolutionary, you may have the honor of eating the heart of the baby seal.

[Angry Young Man]

Can we do the sacrifice in a giant wicker man?

[Comrade B]

Naturally. How else?
It is as The Glorious Father Marx tells us.

[JimmyJazz]

http://www.publiceye.org/gallery/Demonization/Behind_Communism.jpg

[NecroCommie]

If I sacrifice virgin babies at an altar with a blasphemous dagger dipped in goat blood, do I get a job?

If not, does it help if I burn a church while performing cursed rites?

[Agnapostate]

I was in a bookshop in Cardiff (trying to waste time. It was near work) and I saw a book called the Century of Socialist Catastrophe. Now I knew that this would be reactionary nonsense, but what I didn't expect was a book about that great revolutionary Cmde. Hitler :rolleyes:. Second thing that shocked me was the amount of high praise from historians who I'd previously thought about as 'yes, reactionary, but at least mostly rational and intelligent.'

It never ends. Day in and day out, I encounter "LOL LOL LOL NATIONAL SOCIALISTS LOL LOL LOL."

[Angry Young Man]

Yea I really think it's time we told everyone that they were called that to get working class support. It's sort of like the Jonas brothers being the kind of 'rock' stars that your mother wants you to marry, whereas if you weren't irretrievably deep in false consciousness, you'd marry Zach de la Rocha. Can anyone think of a modern-day equiv.?

[Schrödinger's Cat]

It never ends. Day in and day out, I encounter "LOL LOL LOL NATIONAL SOCIALISTS LOL LOL LOL."

I think it's worth asking these people: what is socialist about Nazi Germany? When they respond with some vague economic policies, say you will accept their premise (even though it's wrong), and then inquiry into how starting up a highway system is evil.

It seems to me people who like to emphasize "socialist" in national socialist can't seem to grasp the concept that decent human beings don't hate the Nazis because of their public programs (had Hitler simply nationalized a few companies, instituted a minimum wage, and created an automobile company, we would probably think of him as a decent leader), but rather their reactionary, nationalist, racist, homophobic, and sexist policies. Now where do those policies fit in the left-right pendulum?

Traps the fools every time. Sit back and watch as the same people who complain about socialists being internationalists try to call us radical nationalists.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

While we're on this subject, I stumbled on a delicious quote:


Yes, socialism makes more sense. It can feed, care, and shelter more than other governments, it might be the logically best choice, yet..I don't want a perfect world, and neither should any sane person.

http://golivewire.com/forums/peer-ybbtnib-support-a.html

[Schrödinger's Cat]

And... if anyone is actually interested in Nazism's use of the word "socialist" and its relationship with Hitler-


"Soon after Hitler was banned from public speaking in Bavaria on 9 March 1925,<7> he appointed Gregor Strasser to develop the party in the north. Strasser, a hard-working and gregarious pharmacist of forceful personality who read Homer in the original for relaxation, had exceptional organizational talents and dramatically increased the number of Nazi cells within the north.
Strasser was more idealistic than Hitler and took the notion of "socialist" in the party name with some degree of seriousness. The Communists were a larger factor in the more industrialized north, and Strasser was sensitive to the appeal that "socialism" had to those dissatisfied workers who were tempted by the red flag.<8> He also apparently felt that the Munich clique was ruled by lesser men, and he chafed under their leadership in Hitler's absence.

Strasser was more radical than Hitler on the issue of adherence to the "legal and constitutional" method of obtaining political power through the Weimar Constitution's electoral processes. He had been the SA leader in Lower Bavaria before the Beer Hall Putsch and was not convinced that Hitler's repudiation of force, violence and putsch as a path to political power was correct.

Most serious, perhaps, was the attitude of the northern faction to the party's Twenty-Five Point Programme, which indisputably was intellectually confused and often half-baked. Considering the circumstances in which it was written, it is hard to imagine that it could be otherwise. To Strasser and Goebbels, men with intellectual and ideological bents, warped as those were by scandalous anti-Semitism, the absence of intellectual rigor was a serious defect."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamberg_Conference

[Agnapostate]

I've actually extensively detailed the conflicts between fascism and socialism in the past when anti-socialists have been ignorant enough to make such comparisons.


It's not accurate to describe Nazism or similar fascism as "socialist" in nature. Fascism and socialism are rather distinct from each other, and in many cases, are outright conflicting ideologies. To consider the elements of fascist political and cultural ideology and economy, we might look at Umberto Eco's conception of "Eternal Fascism," or Zanden's Pareto and Fascism Reconsidered, for instance.

Firstly, as Zanden puts it, "[O]bedience, discipline, faith and a religious belief in the cardinal tenets of the Fascist creed are put forth as the supreme values of a perfect Fascist. Individual thinking along creative lines is discouraged. What is wanted is not brains, daring ideas, or speculative faculties, but character pressed in the mold of Fascism." This is not consistent with the socialist principle of elimination of alienation as defined by Marx's The Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844. Such elimination necessitates revolutionary class consciousness, which obviously conflicts with "obedience, discipline, faith, etc."

Revolutionary class consciousness is also rather inconsistent with the "cult of tradition" identified by Eco as an integral tenet of Eternal Fascism. "[T]here can be no advancement of learning. Truth already has been spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message."

From an insistence on revolutionary class consciousness comes opposition to class itself on the part of the socialist. This is egregiously contradictory to the elitism that constitutes a core tenet of fascism. As Eco writes, "[e]litism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak. Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism."

Fascism also has a blatantly anti-democratic nature. As Zanden notes, "the mass of men is created to be governed and not to govern; is created to be led and not to lead, and is created, finally, to be slaves and not masters: slaves of their animal instincts, their physiological needs, their emotions, and their passions." Similarly, Eco writes that "the Leader, knowing his power was not delegated to him democratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon the weakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler." This strongly conflicts with the participatory elements of socialism, as it necessitates the collective ownership of the means of production. For instance, Noam Chomsky notes that libertarian socialism is "based on free voluntary participation of people who produce and create, live their lives freely within institutions they control and with limited hierarchical structures, possibly none at all." Other forms of socialism are democratic at the very least.

I've also referred to the destruction of any remotely "socialist" element within the Nazis (namely Ernst Rohm and the aforementioned SA), on the Night of the Long Knives, though even that "socialism" was based more on raw and unrefined worker militancy than anything else.

[Gustav HK]

"_Marx and Satan_ by Richard Wurmbrand is a small book that advances the theory that Karl Marx was a member of a Satanic cult."

Of course, only a satanist would fight against greedy mammon-worshipping humans that loves money more than everything else, inclusive God.:rolleyes::laugh:

Common ownership of the meas of production-satanist.

Fighting against opression-satanist.

Having a big beard-satanist.

Supporting the workers cause-satanist.

[The Feral Underclass]

Advances? It's a ludicrous, nonsensical assertion by someone who is clearly deluded. He's not "advancing" anything, he's just explaining to the word what the voices in his head tell him.

[GiantBear91]

I think the satanism acusation is funny hell since, you know, Marx opposed religion.