Rock is so damn gay - Why you dumbasses listen to it? [Archive]

Lardlad95

21st August 2002, 21:38

Why the fuck you listen to that crap?

You dumbasses be dick riddin led zepplin all damn day. The man sucked ass, he was weak, retarded, no talent what so ever.

Not to mention punk is for fags, metal is for cock suckers, and basicaly every type of rock is for *****es who don't have any fuckin friends.

OK now that I got your attention i would like to say something.

I don't hate rock, I don't hate the people that lsiten it, you guys aren't fags.

However all of you and I mean almost all of you have been sayin bad shit about hip hop.

Leave it alone it didn't do anything to you so stop doing it to something I like.

There is a difference between saying you dislike it and calling it garbage.

Not to mention you guys always stereotype people who do.

You act like all black people wear saggin jeans, do-rags, have gold teeth, and talk like fuckin Master-P.

Are you guys subconsciously racist?

Do you hate black people? You obviously can't because black people invented rock (yes we did as hard as it is to believe, but it originated from black people)

So why are you acting this way?

I mean I don't talk like "yo was up my homies, lets go bust some caps in dem fools" do I?

No so stop acting like I fuckin do. What the hell is wrong with you.

God you hold Rock in such high regard yet you can't respect anyone else? Is that so damn hard?

obviously it is because every fuckin day someone has gotta talk shit.

Damn I don't care if you don't like how it sounds, but stop stereotyping me.

So next time you guys wanna talk about black people remember

we created jazz

we created blues

we created rock.

So show a little respect for us and our culure.

I'm sick of you guys talkin about us but you don't see me saying all white people are the same do you?

So I ask again please show some respect.

Anonymous

21st August 2002, 22:59

Chill.

Theres probably some hip-hop that id like but the majority of stuff that is broadcast is of the type you mentioned. I base my opinion upon what i have heard. Id also be quite happy to listen to some black rock bands

Lardlad95

21st August 2002, 23:04

Quote: from Funky Monk on 10:59 pm on Aug. 21, 2002
Chill.

Theres probably some hip-hop that id like but the majority of stuff that is broadcast is of the type you mentioned. I base my opinion upon what i have heard. Id also be quite happy to listen to some black rock bands

first of all black rock bands are barley existance anymore

and I was reffering to those people who talk shit about hip hop with out keeping an open mind.

They act like tis all the same and they can talk about black people all they want

killingstars

21st August 2002, 23:14

i think the negativity is towards mainstream hip hop, if there is such a thing. it's mostly rap. i personally don't like mainstream but i love underground hip hop. the two are completely different. dmx doesn't compare to jurassic 5.

Anonymous

21st August 2002, 23:17

I havent heard 'underground hip-hop' but untill i do ill just keep my snide remarks to mainstream hip-hop

mujer revolucionaria

21st August 2002, 23:20

I have to say that if someone doesnt like hiphop it doesnt make them a racist. I happen to like a lot of hip hop, and it IS the stuff that you dont hear on the radio. But then there is Nelly? I mean that IS garbage, I am sorry. But thats MY opinion on the music and the lyrics, not him as an african american male.

I listen to a wide variety of music.....from punk to folk to blues to jazz to indie to oldies to even the Muppets.....I think that hip hop is very misrepresented in the mainstream media/MTV/magazines etc......and even if the good stuff was as visible, and someone didnt care for it, that doesnt make them racist.

Lardlad95

21st August 2002, 23:21

Quote: from killingstars on 11:14 pm on Aug. 21, 2002
i think the negativity is towards mainstream hip hop, if there is such a thing. it's mostly rap. i personally don't like mainstream but i love underground hip hop. the two are completely different. dmx doesn't compare to jurassic 5.

which is what I'm trying to say but these people wont listen

there is a difference between teh big tymers and the roots

Big Tymers=shallow rap about nothing

The Roots=true hiphop/jazz/funk. That ISN'T about frivolous things like jewlrey and cars. Its about something more.

There is a difference between Master P and Mos Def

Master P= rap about cars, women, and basicaly what ever he can rhyme to

Mos Def= Concious hip hop talking about actual problems with the world, racism, in equality, etc.

So why cant those guys realize that its not all the same?

I mean is Sum 41 the same as Jimi Hendrix? No it isn't so why is hip hop any different

Mazdak

21st August 2002, 23:29

Lardlad, of course, you wouldnt be referring to me of course. I never bashed rap. :D

Whatever, hip hop sucks. At least rock music involves talent. even if the singin sometimes sucks, at least they SING and at least they play music using INSTRUMENTS. that is why rap sucks. i hate rap, but i simply dislike hip hop. And it has nothing to do with race.

Lardlad95

21st August 2002, 23:30

Quote: from mujer revolucionaria on 11:20 pm on Aug. 21, 2002
I have to say that if someone doesnt like hiphop it doesnt make them a racist. I happen to like a lot of hip hop, and it IS the stuff that you dont hear on the radio. But then there is Nelly? I mean that IS garbage, I am sorry. But thats MY opinion on the music and the lyrics, not him as an african american male.

I listen to a wide variety of music.....from punk to folk to blues to jazz to indie to oldies to even the Muppets.....I think that hip hop is very misrepresented in the mainstream media/MTV/magazines etc......and even if the good stuff was as visible, and someone didnt care for it, that doesnt make them racist.

my statement on racism reffered to those people who stereotype people in the hip hop culture.

Saying we all dress like thugs, wear gold teeth and shit like that.

They are stereotyping us and that is racist

however them not listening to it isn't.

Lardlad95

21st August 2002, 23:34

Quote: from Mazdak on 11:29 pm on Aug. 21, 2002
Lardlad, of course, you wouldnt be referring to me of course. I never bashed rap. :D

Whatever, hip hop sucks. At least rock music involves talent. even if the singin sometimes sucks, at least they SING and at least they play music using INSTRUMENTS. that is why rap sucks. i hate rap, but i simply dislike hip hop. And it has nothing to do with race.

see thats your damn problem you fuckin assume shit. Like it doesn't take talent?

Mazdak, you can't Rap, you can't DJ, you can't make beats, you can't break dance, you can't do any of that shit.

So why are you insulting the hip hop culture?

It takes talent because you can't do any of it...and you know you can't...

but ok if it involves talent I want you to make up a rap.

Rhymes, chorus everything.

YOu think you can do what the roots do?

then prove to me that you can, other wise shut the fuck up and show some damn respect.

Anonymous

21st August 2002, 23:36

I do have respect for break dancers

Mazdak

21st August 2002, 23:38

Lardlad. You really need to dissect the music you hear. I always listen top music and basically i dissect which piece is played by what instrument.

Now, unless i was dumb or deaf, i could rap. but i dont want to. I oculd break dance, but i dont want to.

Here, all you do is this
write some poetry(no matter how stupid or idiotic the lyrics, as long as they rhyme) and then you read them out loud with a metronome ticking in the background.

Congratulations. You are officially a rapper now.

Lardlad95

21st August 2002, 23:44

Quote: from Mazdak on 11:29 pm on Aug. 21, 2002
Lardlad, of course, you wouldnt be referring to me of course. I never bashed rap. :D

Whatever, hip hop sucks. At least rock music involves talent. even if the singin sometimes sucks, at least they SING and at least they play music using INSTRUMENTS. that is why rap sucks. i hate rap, but i simply dislike hip hop. And it has nothing to do with race.

by the way need I explain the entire Roots thing again?

I believe ?uestlove is a drummer and I'm pretty sure Hub plays a bass and some guy on keys

sorry for me asking or music guru but don't those qualify as instruments?

not to mention ?uestlove is probably the best drummer out today of any genre

Lardlad95

21st August 2002, 23:49

Why are you being like this? Admit that you can't because you can't.

Raps don't just have to rhyme, they have to flow. A flow doesn't necassarily constitute a rhyme.

Now you know you can't break dance, go to a break dancing web site and try and do the moves they do we all know you will fail miserably.

Not to mention that you can't rap.

If its so damn simple just write one down.

Your scared aren't you? because you know you can't.

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 00:07

by the way Stalin boy don't bother trying to copy someone elses lyrics and posting them as i can tell the difference between a professionals and a amatuers.

that is of course if you would actualy accept the challenge but we all know you can't so just admit it.

i never said you had to love hip hop but you should show respect.

hell I'll settle for one verse and one refrian of the chorus...ok?

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 00:24

Quote: from Mazdak on 11:38 pm on Aug. 21, 2002
Lardlad. You really need to dissect the music you hear. I always listen top music and basically i dissect which piece is played by what instrument.

Now, unless i was dumb or deaf, i could rap. but i dont want to. I oculd break dance, but i dont want to.

Here, all you do is this
write some poetry(no matter how stupid or idiotic the lyrics, as long as they rhyme) and then you read them out loud with a metronome ticking in the background.

Congratulations. You are officially a rapper now.

how to be a rocker

1) write down lyrics that have nothing to do with anything (in the garden of eden baby don't you know that I love you)

2. act like a dumb ass (smash hotel rooms, say rock on, bang your head for no reason)

3. spit blood on stage

4. be a an asshole bigot

5. play the same cords over and over again...but in different order thats the trick...don't think outside the box

congradulations you are now a rocker

not very fair now is it?

Mazdak

22nd August 2002, 00:35

Heres a new trick for ya LardLad, howabout trying to fit all your rant aobut me in ONE POST.

Ok, i cant break dance. Then again, can you play 15 notes on a guitar in 1 second?

Mazdak

22nd August 2002, 00:37

Oh and who said all rockers spilkl blood? um.... i dont recall bloodbeing spilled by nirvana. What kind of Rock do you listen to man, Marylin Manson?
And ever heard of yngwie Malmesteen? one chord over and over? Yeah, you keep believeing that

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 00:41

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:37 am on Aug. 22, 2002
Oh and who said all rockers spilkl blood? um.... i dont recall bloodbeing spilled by nirvana. What kind of Rock do you listen to man, Marylin Manson?
And ever heard of yngwie Malmesteen? one chord over and over? Yeah, you keep believeing that

azdak you are proving my point.

Those things I said were stereotypes.

you stereotyped hip hop, theres no difference.

Do you finally see my point?

And the difference is I never said I could play a guitar, I can't and I can be a man and admit that.

you however aren't man enough to admit you were wrong (about the rapping thing)

I know there is more to rock than the stereotypes say and there is more to hip hop than the stereotypes you said.

And I do listen to nirvana but I was trying to prove a point

Mazdak

22nd August 2002, 00:57

but my stereotyping is more.... common. "asshole bigot"

Is that the best stereotype you could think up?
At least the stereotypes i say are obvious. you see plenty of hip hop people that fit my stereotypes, while yours make little sense for all but marylin manson and... welll, why dont you name some rockers that fit YOUR stereotypes.

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 01:03

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:57 am on Aug. 22, 2002
but my stereotyping is more.... common. "asshole bigot"

Is that the best stereotype you could think up?
At least the stereotypes i say are obvious. you see plenty of hip hop people that fit my stereotypes, while yours make little sense for all but marylin manson and... welll, why dont you name some rockers that fit YOUR stereotypes.

thats the point sir, stereotypes don't fit everyone in a group.

You can't say that about all hip hop artists.

Can you name the members of the Roots?

What was Talib Kweli's last album called?

What was teh name of the album Mos Def and Talb Kweli did together?

Who is the DJ for Dialated People? What was their first single off their album and what was it called?

you don't know these people so why are you trying to place stereotypes on them?

I don't know a lot about rock history so I'm not gonna try and stereotype them.

What do you know about the history of hip hop?

so why are you trying to stereotype people?

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 01:06

man in the red suit

22nd August 2002, 01:40

I'd just like to say something whether you care or not.

1.) rap does take talent even though I hate it

2.) I do not hate black people as hard as that may be for lardlad to believe

3.) I often times make the mistake of assuming different stereotypes which is wrong.

4.) blacks did not start rock. what are you talking about lardlad?

5.) "hate" is kind of a wrong word to use for a music when there are other people who apreciate the music, in your presence. this is why it is only a good idea to diss rap when you are with your white trash hillbilly friends. Just kidding.

6.) Can't we all just get along?

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 01:51

Quote: from man in the red suit on 1:40 am on Aug. 22, 2002
I'd just like to say something whether you care or not.

1.) rap does take talent even though I hate it

2.) I do not hate black people as hard as that may be for lardlad to believe

3.) I often times make the mistake of assuming different stereotypes which is wrong.

4.) blacks did not start rock. what are you talking about lardlad?

5.) "hate" is kind of a wrong word to use for a music when there are other people who apreciate the music, in your presence. this is why it is only a good idea to diss rap when you are with your white trash hillbilly friends. Just kidding.

6.) Can't we all just get along?

I agree with you. I am not trying to force anyone to like any type of music but I just believe we need to respect othrer people's art.

and black people did start rock ever heard of chuck berry? Fats Domino? Little Richard?

Berry was as important to the early development of rock & roll as Elvis, but for different reasons. Chuck was one of rock & roll's first great lyricists; Berry also gave rock & roll some of its earliest trademark guitar licks. One of them, the shuffling, boogie-woogie influenced riff that appears in the classic song "Johnny B. Goode" (117 k 10 sec.) is a primary tool in any rock guitarist's repertoire. Berry also blended rhythm & blues, country, swing, and blues strains into his music, which made him one of rock & roll's first great stylists.

This web page attempts to explore the roots of rock in such a way as to illuminate the natural progression of musical styles. Too often the study of rock begins with Bill Haley and His Comets and includes scant information about the blues and rhythm records that he, and others, used as a model. A musical genre does not simply appear, it gradually evolves to a point in time when some event-performance, publication, or recording allows listeners to perceive its unique qualities and apply a label. Wyonnie Harris' 1947 recording of "Good Rocking Tonight" was one of many "rhythm records" made during the late 1940s, however when it was recorded by Elvis Presley in 1954 it seemed like a new and different approach. What made it seem new and different was its context. Without exploring the history of black popular music, country and western music, race relations, technical developments, and the music business one can be led easily to the conclusion that rock and roll was some new and different music which appeared suddenly.

This page begins with the African musical traits brought here beginning in 1619 and attempts to trace their fusion with the European music brought here by the colonists. The story of this musical interaction is also the story of American popular music and includes the plantation songs of Stephen Foster, the ragtime of Scott Joplin, the blues of Bessie Smith, the jazz of Count Basie, and the jump bands of Louis Jordan. The knowledge of the stream of American popular music allows one to understand that rock and roll was a natural result of the combined forces that affected the music.

Rock evolved from jazz and bebop man in the red suit...unless you have a different theory

man in the red suit

22nd August 2002, 02:04

I do not think that rock evolved from anything. It is its own seperate category as is rap. I do not propose that rap evolved from funk or disco. Rock is Rock. Blues is Blues. etc etc. And in my opinion the beatles started rock as much as I hate them, and not Jimi Hendrix.

i only say this because the Beatles was a popular rock band from Britain during the 60's while jimi Hendrix was more during the 70's. And by the way, all of the Beatles members, John Lenon, Paul Mcarthy, George harrison, and Ringo Starr, were white. Sorry about that.

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 02:22

Quote: from man in the red suit on 2:04 am on Aug. 22, 2002
I do not think that rock evolved from anything. It is its own seperate category as is rap. I do not propose that rap evolved from funk or disco. Rock is Rock. Blues is Blues. etc etc. And in my opinion the beatles started rock as much as I hate them, and not Jimi Hendrix.

i only say this because the Beatles was a popular rock band from Britain during the 60's while jimi Hendrix was more during the 70's. And by the way, all of the Beatles members, John Lenon, Paul Mcarthy, George harrison, and Ringo Starr, were white. Sorry about that.

uh you seem to be very missinformed.

Rap did evolve from funk in some ways, not all ways.

Second Rock started before the sixties...and I never said Jimi Started it thats just plain ignorant.

I mean you seriously have never heard of CHuck Berry, or Fats Domino or Elvis (I know he's white) cuz they came before the Beatles.

did you read what I put?

Rock started out in the mid or late fifties.

Also I know the beatles were white I'm not stupid. I also know there names, just cuz I don't listen to alot of rock doens't mean I'm ignorant.

but seriosuly were the hell did you get the beatles from?

They were influential but they didn't start rock.

music doesn't just come from no where, someone wasn't just reading the paper and thought hey I wanna create rock.

All music is influenced by other music.

I suggest you read about the history of rock because that Beatles thing made no damn sense

also were the hell did I say Jimi created rock? did you even read my post?

Mazdak

22nd August 2002, 03:13

First, i am not a Kiss fan.
Second, how come if anyone insults rap or hip hop we are suddenly racist?

And rock did evolve from the blues and jazz.

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 03:16

Quote: from Mazdak on 3:13 am on Aug. 22, 2002
First, i am not a Kiss fan.
Second, how come if anyone insults rap or hip hop we are suddenly racist?

And rock did evolve from the blues and jazz.

for the last time people.

The racist comments are against the culture, which is primarily african american and we all know you guys are talking about us when you reffer to teh saggin, and gold teeth, and the ebonics and shit.

Need I explain this again? not liking the music is one thing, but when you make generalizations about the culture you are using stereotypes.

and yes it did evolve from jazz and blues.

Mazdak

22nd August 2002, 03:21

JESUS CHRIST. I didnt say anything racist.

ebonics suck. they destroy the english language.
I will not like rap. CAN YOU DEAL WITH IT?

and another thing... how are you replying so quickly... it is too fast.

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 03:24

Quote: from Mazdak on 3:21 am on Aug. 22, 2002
JESUS CHRIST. I didnt say anything racist.

ebonics suck. they destroy the english language.
I will not like rap. CAN YOU DEAL WITH IT?

and another thing... how are you replying so quickly... it is too fast.

the ebonics thing wasn't serious, do I speak in ebonics? No, ok then.

first of all I'm not talking about rap I'm talking about hip hop there is a difference.

and again I'm not trying to get you to like it I just think you need to show some more respect.

I don't like cappitalsit supporters but I don't go into McDonalds and start telling them all off.

abstractmentality

22nd August 2002, 19:21

Quote: from man in the red suit on 5:40 pm on Aug. 21, 2002

1.) rap does take talent even though I hate it

6.) Can't we all just get along?

thank you MITRS for the talent bid. i have messed around with the rapping thing on my spare time, and that is some hard shit to do. i have also messed around with turntables, trying to mix songs and scratch and make it sound decent, and that is unbelievably hard. i have tried to breakdance, and failed miserably (it takes tremendous strength to do what i was trying to do, and im not exactly the strongest guy in the world). and as lardlad pointed out about the roots, i saw them in concert about a month ago. they had ONE guy rapping, one guy doing back up and beatbox (which i have also messed around with and is oh so hard to do. see the movie Breath Control: the history of the human beat box), and the rest of the group on instruments (drums, keyboard, bass guitar, etc.)

and yes MITRS, can we just let the anti-rap and anti-hiphop threads die. unless you (lardlad) email mazdak some good hip hop, and he listens to it with an open mind, then i do not think that any of these discussions will ever be resolved (although i think it has gotten onto a much better level with MITRS).

josh

Mazdak

22nd August 2002, 19:34

Hip hop is only a little better than rap. and why do you make a thread on how rock is so damn gay and expect me not to criticize hip hop.

Have a nice day.

abstractmentality

22nd August 2002, 19:42

mazdak: i think he was just trying to get everybodies attention, nothing more. i really do not think that someone so passionate about getting people to not stereotype the hip-hop genre of music would do it himself to rock.

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 22:55

Quote: from Mazdak on 7:34 pm on Aug. 22, 2002
Hip hop is only a little better than rap. and why do you make a thread on how rock is so damn gay and expect me not to criticize hip hop.

Have a nice day.

Mazdak you guys do that all damn day to us.

You are allowed to talk about hip hop but I'm not allowed to talk about rock, which by the way i don't hate.

Damn, I knew you were going to say something, but did you forget about those posts about how much everyone hates hip hop?

samaniego

22nd August 2002, 23:10

whoa their little guy, Hip hop is what it is, even Chuck D says it's not what it was, every one sounds the same as do many of todays punk and rock bands. But to put down Zeppelin is another thing. Zeppelin will be around forever while your current hip hop song will be for gotten in the next month or so. Like I said before hip hop has alot of potential. It has the power to reach many but the rappers arent in it for a good message only a good pay check.

Lardlad95

22nd August 2002, 23:18

Quote: from samaniego on 11:10 pm on Aug. 22, 2002
whoa their little guy, Hip hop is what it is, even Chuck D says it's not what it was, every one sounds the same as do many of todays punk and rock bands. But to put down Zeppelin is another thing. Zeppelin will be around forever while your current hip hop song will be for gotten in the next month or so. Like I said before hip hop has alot of potential. It has the power to reach many but the rappers arent in it for a good message only a good pay check.

first off, I don't listen to the mainstream MTV ©rap that is on TV.

I listen to underground and concious HIP HOP

the ones I listen to aren't in it for the money the roots have been around for a long thime they could have sold out if they felt like it but they didn't.

Second people who love real hip hop remember things, every true hip hop lover remembers Run DMC, every true hip hop lover remembers Tribe Called Quest.

You are mixed up about the difference between hip hop and rap.

Mazdak

23rd August 2002, 02:40

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:55 pm on Aug. 22, 2002

Mazdak you guys do that all damn day to us.

You are allowed to talk about hip hop but I'm not allowed to talk about rock, which by the way i don't hate.

Damn, I knew you were going to say something, but did you forget about those posts about how much everyone hates hip hop?

Well, we can criticize hip hop because IT SUCKS. You cant criticize rock because it doesnt.

And Nelly is Hip Hop. NELLY SUCKS. I know about all this underground stuff but it still sucks. like i said, talking in rhyme to the beat of a metronome isnt hard, (rap)and hip hop is simply a more "musical" version of rap.

I am at this point, only posting these pointless things to get you annoyed, and i seem to be doing a good job of it too.

Lefty

23rd August 2002, 03:18

rapping is a talent i dont have, so i wont knock it. I just dont like the music, exept for say black eyed peas or talib kweli/ mos def. Run DMC are good too...
DJing is different. I am actually an ok DJ, i do it with a cheap set from target (digital) and i remixed a few pennywise songs.

mujer revolucionaria

23rd August 2002, 04:11

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:30 pm on Aug. 22, 2002

my statement on racism reffered to those people who stereotype people in the hip hop culture.

Saying we all dress like thugs, wear gold teeth and shit like that.

They are stereotyping us and that is racist

however them not listening to it isn't.

Okay, gotcha....glad we got that straight :) I agree with you

mujer revolucionaria

23rd August 2002, 04:21

Quote: from man in the red suit on 8:04 pm on Aug. 22, 2002
I do not think that rock evolved from anything. It is its own seperate category as is rap. I do not propose that rap evolved from funk or disco. Rock is Rock. Blues is Blues. etc etc. And in my opinion the beatles started rock as much as I hate them, and not Jimi Hendrix.

I hate to point it out, but nothing comes from nothing.....everything, even music is constantly evolving. Rock and roll didnt just appear out of nowhere, nothing does. Thats like artists who say they are not influenced by anything. To categorize music as "blues is blues, rock is rock etc" is a very ignorant statement. TODAY, those are very distinct categories of music yes, but their roots all mesh together.

Yes, "rock and roll" evolved from rhythm and blues, jump blues.....example: Elvis got his style and sound from the sounds on Beale St in Memphis (jump blues) and mixing it with the country/folk of the time. He did the right thing at the right time....and it worked......

Hound Dog which was made famous by Elvis originally was recorded by Big Mama Thornton and as a jump blues classic.

Lardlad is VERY correct in his history.....listen to the man.

Watch the documentary "rock and roll" it is a good comprehensive series about the genre, from its blues roots through punk rock......

Also the Beatles did not invent rock and roll, though I believe they definitely evolved the sound and recording processes. They were directly influenced by Buddy Holly, Elvis and skiffle music which was big in Ireland/England in the fifties.

mujer revolucionaria

23rd August 2002, 04:28

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding lardlad here......I questioned his statements, and he explained himself and I dont think he is making claims that you are all accusing him of. He is trying to debunk the typical stereotype of "gangsta rappers" being ALL rap/hip hop, and thats it.

And as for remembering music......I still LOVE Raising Hell, or Fear of a Black Planet.....Public Enemy did stuff, that when I put it on at a party or with friends, we wll know every word.

In the end music is a matter of taste eh? I think Nelly sucks, yeah.....but it just isnt my thing. I know people who think Wilco sucks, but they happen to be one of my favorite bands. Its all a matter of taste and opinion......

canikickit

23rd August 2002, 04:39

this was very interesting at first and then I realised that all the people taking the anti hip hop side were completly full of shit and only Lard Lad managed to make sense.

What's this shit about rap/hip hop. The way I see it: a hip hop song has a rapper. A rap song is a hip hop song. I understand why people are differentiating but I think in a perfect world there would be no differentiation.

Hip Hop is turning into disgusting pop music. I used to love it, then I discovered reggae......ah sweet, sweet reggae....so I don't really know what's happening with the whole scene right now.

How are Rawkus getting on?

You know considering how amazingly brilliant all the records coming out of Rawkus two/three years ago were.....and given the fact that hip hop is so popular now, I wonder if there are millions of amazingly talented crews in Rawkus now......? I saw a Company Flow song on mtv2 the other day and I started drooling.....maybe it wasn't Co Flow but El-P was there rapping his head off.....is he solo? cos I heard some Big Juss solo stuff......yeah Plantation Rhymes.....

the Beatles invented Rock and Roll, yes...ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, schmucks....

I am the ugliest version of passed out tax and capitalist rapid emcee perversion.......I'm America...

I wish to buy your rock....ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....

man I got the munchies.....

new democracy

23rd August 2002, 04:43

"You act like all black people wear saggin jeans, do-rags, have gold teeth, and talk like fuckin Master-P"
i hate that stereotype, but i more hate the stereotype that says that all black people love hip-hop. and you when you say that black people invented blues, jazz, rock, etc you sound like one of those one of racist jews(not all jews, and i am jewish myself) that say: ha, einstein was jewish and so froid, markuse, marx, trozky etc..... i dont like what you say that hating hip-hop=hating blacks(you didnt say it exactly like this but it kind of sound like). i dont HATE hip-hop, but i dont like it.

Sasafrás

23rd August 2002, 17:08

You don't have to read this (what's italicized), but it's interesting, I think..

I met this girl when I was ten years old
And what I loved most, she had so much soul
She was old school when I was just a shorty
Never knew throughout my life, she would be there for me
On the regular
Not a church girl, she was secular
Not about the money, no studs was mic checkin' her
But I respected her; she hit me in the heart
A few New York niggaz had did her in the park
But she was there for me, and I was there for her
Pull out a chair for her, turn on the air for her
And just cool out, cool out and listen to her
Sittin' on a bone, wishin that I could do her
Eventually if it was meant to be, then it would be
Because we related, physically and mentally
And she was fun then
I'd be geeked when she'd come around
Slim was fresh yo, when she was underground
Original, pure untampered: A down sister
Boy, I tell ya, I miss her

Now periodically I would see
Ol' girl at the clubs and at the house parties
She didn't have a body but she started gettin' thick quick
Did a couple of videos and became afro-centric
Out goes the weave
In goes the braids, beads, medallions
She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me
By not preachin' to me but speakin' to me
in a method that was leisurely, so easily I approached
She dug my rap, that's how we got close
But then she broke to the West coast, and that was cool
'Cause around the same time, I went away to school
And I'm a man of expandin', so why should I stand in her way?
She probably get her money in L.A.
And she did, stud, she got big pub but what was foul
She said that the pro-black was goin out of style
She said afro-centricity was of the past
So she got into R&B, hip-house, bass, and jazz
Now black music is black music and it's all good
I wasn't salty, she was with the boys in the hood
Cause that was good for her, she was becomin' well-rounded
I thought it was dope how she was on that freestyle shit
Just havin' fun, not worried about anyone
And you could tell by how her titties hung

I might've failed to mention that this chick was creative
But once the man got you well he altered her native
Told her if she got an image and a gimmick
that she could make money, and she did it like a dummy
Now I see her in commercials, she's universal
She used to only swing it with the inner-city circle
Now she be in the burbs lickin' rock and dressin' hip
And on some dumb shit, when she comes to the city
Talkin about poppin glocks servin' rocks and hittin' switches
Now she's a gangsta rollin' with gangsta *****es
Always smokin blunts and gettin' drunk
Tellin' me sad stories, now she only fucks with the funk
Stressin' how hardcore and real she is
She was really the realest, before she got into show-biz
I did her, not just to say that I did it
But I'm committed, but so many niggaz hit it
That she's just not the same lettin' all these groupies do her
I see niggaz slammin' her, and takin' her to the sewer
But I'ma take her back hopin' that the shit stop
Cause who I'm talkin bout, y'all, is hip-hop

Courtesy of Common ("I Used to Love H.E.R." ). Check out the album "Resurrection."

Peace out..

PS: I'd just like to say that I grew up being black but listening to hip-hop/rap and rock. My big brother used to listen to Nirvana, Weezer, Soundgarden, etc. as well as Tupac, Scarface, Three 6 Mafia (We're from Memphis, dig), etc. so now, I have an appreciation for whatever (but I almost solely listen to Latin, jazz, and soul). I just think that it's all about how you're raised. You tend to listen mostly to the things that your parents, brothers, sisters, and friends listen to and it's not often that you see people who are, let's say, suburban, white, middle-aged parents or even W.A.S.P. teens that listen to Nelly or Mos Def.

(Edited by La Rainbeaux at 11:09 am on Aug. 23, 2002)

Marxist1848

23rd August 2002, 17:37

rap eats my ass

Lardlad95

23rd August 2002, 23:58

Quote: from Mazdak on 2:40 am on Aug. 23, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:55 pm on Aug. 22, 2002

Mazdak you guys do that all damn day to us.

You are allowed to talk about hip hop but I'm not allowed to talk about rock, which by the way i don't hate.

Damn, I knew you were going to say something, but did you forget about those posts about how much everyone hates hip hop?

Well, we can criticize hip hop because IT SUCKS. You cant criticize rock because it doesnt.

And Nelly is Hip Hop. NELLY SUCKS. I know about all this underground stuff but it still sucks. like i said, talking in rhyme to the beat of a metronome isnt hard, (rap)and hip hop is simply a more "musical" version of rap.

I am at this point, only posting these pointless things to get you annoyed, and i seem to be doing a good job of it too.

first of all nelly isn't hip hop.

second, you are a very closed minded person, no wonder you are stalinst.

You guys are all the same, no wonder you want to opress people that are different.

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 00:01

Quote: from new democracy on 4:43 am on Aug. 23, 2002
"You act like all black people wear saggin jeans, do-rags, have gold teeth, and talk like fuckin Master-P"
i hate that stereotype, but i more hate the stereotype that says that all black people love hip-hop. and you when you say that black people invented blues, jazz, rock, etc you sound like one of those one of racist jews(not all jews, and i am jewish myself) that say: ha, einstein was jewish and so froid, markuse, marx, trozky etc..... i dont like what you say that hating hip-hop=hating blacks(you didnt say it exactly like this but it kind of sound like). i dont HATE hip-hop, but i dont like it.

But Einstien was Jewish. I don't care.

Black people invented jazz, different cultures developed different things.

Let people claim what they came up with...that doesn't mean I can't read Einstien's theories or you can't listen to blues

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 00:02

Quote: from canikickit on 4:39 am on Aug. 23, 2002
this was very interesting at first and then I realised that all the people taking the anti hip hop side were completly full of shit and only Lard Lad managed to make sense.

What's this shit about rap/hip hop. The way I see it: a hip hop song has a rapper. A rap song is a hip hop song. I understand why people are differentiating but I think in a perfect world there would be no differentiation.

Hip Hop is turning into disgusting pop music. I used to love it, then I discovered reggae......ah sweet, sweet reggae....so I don't really know what's happening with the whole scene right now.

How are Rawkus getting on?

You know considering how amazingly brilliant all the records coming out of Rawkus two/three years ago were.....and given the fact that hip hop is so popular now, I wonder if there are millions of amazingly talented crews in Rawkus now......? I saw a Company Flow song on mtv2 the other day and I started drooling.....maybe it wasn't Co Flow but El-P was there rapping his head off.....is he solo? cos I heard some Big Juss solo stuff......yeah Plantation Rhymes.....

the Beatles invented Rock and Roll, yes...ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, schmucks....

I am the ugliest version of passed out tax and capitalist rapid emcee perversion.......I'm America...

I wish to buy your rock....ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....

man I got the munchies.....

I wouldn't call the mainstream stuff hip hop because it doesn't represent what hip hop truly is.

anyway Rawkus is cool, I'm pretty sure some new shit is comin out

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 00:04

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 5:37 pm on Aug. 23, 2002
rap eats my ass

atleast mazdak made a case, you are just pitiful

canikickit

24th August 2002, 02:07

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 12:02 am on Aug. 24, 2002

I wouldn't call the mainstream stuff hip hop because it doesn't represent what hip hop truly is.

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yeah, fair enough.

pastradamus

24th August 2002, 02:15

Shut the fuck up cumface!

Rap rulez! hip-hop is fucking excellant!

but on the main case,Im not much into rock but i dont hate it.
But then when toss faces come along pissin on hip-hop then its ass-wooping time!

Just back the fuck up!

ps..

Black people invented jazz, different cultures developed different things.

Let people claim what they came up with...

Whats with that?
We all know they invented the blues,rock,hip-hop hell every fucking type of music! lol

but whats wrong with white people sharing this?

from mazdak....
Well, we can criticize hip hop because IT SUCKS. You cant criticize rock because it doesnt.

Lmao,a few sandwitges short of a picnic?

We could say that about fucking jellybeans u twat!

Marxist1848

24th August 2002, 02:24

I dont need to argue...we al know the truth.
RAP SUCKS.
I choose not to waste my time in this thread because it is pointless.

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 02:30

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 2:24 am on Aug. 24, 2002
I dont need to argue...we al know the truth.
RAP SUCKS.
I choose not to waste my time in this thread because it is pointless.

the truth is you have no proof to support your statement

teh truth is you can't see that not everyone agrees with you

the truth is you can't come up with a valid statement

pastradamus

24th August 2002, 02:32

Then why did u reply?
hello einstein,but people have different tastes,
In food,in TV,In women,in men,in political views,in religion in fucking jellybeans!

so stop making a fool outta urself & accept it without starting an argument.

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 02:35

Quote: from pastradamus on 2:15 am on Aug. 24, 2002
Shut the fuck up cumface!

Rap rulez! hip-hop is fucking excellant!

but on the main case,Im not much into rock but i dont hate it.
But then when toss faces come along pissin on hip-hop then its ass-wooping time!

Just back the fuck up!

ps..

Black people invented jazz, different cultures developed different things.

Let people claim what they came up with...

Whats with that?
We all know they invented the blues,rock,hip-hop hell every fucking type of music! lol

but whats wrong with white people sharing this?

from mazdak....
Well, we can criticize hip hop because IT SUCKS. You cant criticize rock because it doesnt.

Lmao,a few sandwitges short of a picnic?

We could say that about fucking jellybeans u twat!

your fuckin cool

and yeah we can all share ideas

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 02:36

Quote: from pastradamus on 2:32 am on Aug. 24, 2002
Then why did u reply?
hello einstein,but people have different tastes,
In food,in TV,In women,in men,in political views,in religion in fucking jellybeans!

so stop making a fool outta urself & accept it without starting an argument.

hell yeah !

Jelly Belly's for life, fuck smuckers's brand kelly beans.

Seriously though good statement

pastradamus

24th August 2002, 02:52

Yeah after a lpot's of alcohol I like to refrain by eating my weight in jellybeans,lol,,,, goodie gumdrops! lol

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 02:56

Quote: from pastradamus on 2:52 am on Aug. 24, 2002
Yeah after a lpot's of alcohol I like to refrain by eating my weight in jellybeans,lol,,,, goodie gumdrops! lol

Jelly Belly has Daquri Flavor, Coke Flavor, Margarita Flavor, Dr. Pepper Flavor

why don't they have Cannibus Flavor, it should be a new line, different flavors for different strains

pastradamus

24th August 2002, 03:03

lmao,cannibas flavour.

they'd put in sum crappy substitute like they do in that de-cafinised coke crap.

DEATH TO THOSE DE-CAF PEOPLE!,grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 03:05

Quote: from pastradamus on 3:03 am on Aug. 24, 2002
lmao,cannibas flavour.

they'd put in sum crappy substitute like they do in that de-cafinised coke crap.

DEATH TO THOSE DE-CAF PEOPLE!,grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

well they use cannibas stems in Weed Pops....thats candy

pastradamus

24th August 2002, 03:19

Weed pops u say?
With weed in um u say?

How much & where I say?

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 03:24

Quote: from pastradamus on 3:19 am on Aug. 24, 2002
Weed pops u say?
With weed in um u say?

How much & where I say?

it was some website I can't remember 421.com or something

it wont get you high but it will help teh cravings....

they also sell seeds and other shit, cook books, growing books, untensils

pastradamus

24th August 2002, 03:29

hmmmm,looks like its time for me to get myself sum shooping. I thank you Dr.Lardlad.

deadpool 52

24th August 2002, 04:34

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 2:38 am on Aug. 22, 2002

However all of you and I mean almost all of you have been sayin bad shit about hip hop.

Who?

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 04:38

Quote: from deadpool 52 on 4:34 am on Aug. 24, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 2:38 am on Aug. 22, 2002

However all of you and I mean almost all of you have been sayin bad shit about hip hop.

Who?

the two that come to mind most are marxist and mazdak, along with Man in the red suite but he's changed.

Most other people just said their piece and that was it, when I said that I wasn't reffering to a broad hatred of hip hop....just what people said.

Mostly people like Mazdak is who I meant

deadpool 52

24th August 2002, 04:49

All right, it seems that I actually had to read the posts in this thread, but it is sterotyping by saying that all the lyrics are garbage, not that hard to do, etc.

I am a big fan of hip-hop, it is a culture that was instilled into me.

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 04:53

Quote: from deadpool 52 on 4:49 am on Aug. 24, 2002

All right, it seems that I actually had to read the posts in this thread, but it is sterotyping by saying that all the lyrics are garbage, not that hard to do, etc.

I am a big fan of hip-hop, it is a culture that was instilled into me.

don't you just hate having to read all the posts, tehres gotta be a quicker way

deadpool 52

24th August 2002, 05:07

Speed reading. ;) http://www.bladegash.net/forums/images/smilies/newlaugh.gif

Nah, most of the time I just skim unless I come along an interesting poster, which is quite rare.

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 19:12

Quote: from deadpool 52 on 5:07 am on Aug. 24, 2002

Speed reading. ;) http://www.bladegash.net/forums/images/smilies/newlaugh.gif

me i just read the last few posts and pick up from there
Nah, most of the time I just skim unless I come along an interesting poster, which is quite rare.

guerrillaradio

26th August 2002, 22:31

Rock/metal/punk/hardcore/guitar music is the fucking love of my life, the best creation of humanity in my opinion.

Commerical rap is bullshit and manufactured, yet another capitalist creation.

Underground rap (such as it is) is a valid musical genre which, although it may not be to my taste, I have respect for.

*blows dust off ancient Public Enemy and Beastie Boys albums*

Lardlad95

26th August 2002, 22:33

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 10:31 pm on Aug. 26, 2002
Rock/metal/punk/hardcore/guitar music is the fucking love of my life, the best creation of humanity in my opinion.

Commerical rap is bullshit and manufactured, yet another capitalist creation.

Underground rap (such as it is) is a valid musical genre which, although it may not be to my taste, I have respect for.

*blows dust off ancient Public Enemy and Beastie Boys albums*

exactley what I tried to explain to Mazdak

you don't particularly love hip hop but you can realize it is a valid genre and deserves atleast some respect.

I don't particularly like Country but I'm not gonna bash it

Mazdak

27th August 2002, 01:09

BUT for christs sake at least country music involves talent!!!

Lardlad95

27th August 2002, 02:30

Quote: from Mazdak on 1:09 am on Aug. 27, 2002
BUT for christs sake at least country music involves talent!!!

didn't we already argue the talent issue.

Mazdak, you can't rap, you cant Dj, you can beat box

so please cut the bullshit.

PS. don't bring that all rapping is is rhyming in a monotone state because its complete bullshit. You obviously haven't heard that much hip hop

abstractmentality

27th August 2002, 02:31

Quote: from Mazdak on 1:09 am on Aug. 27, 2002
BUT for christs sake at least country music involves talent!!!

have you not read anything i have written about the talent involved in hip-hop? all of the elements have their own difficulty level and require different talents. flowing into a mic with the beat is not as easy as it seems. try free styling a verse or two with a beat and record yourself doing it, and you will see how hard it is. believe me, i have tried it, and it sounded like shit because i dont posses that talent. try imitating a beat you hear, any beat, using only your mouth to creat the sounds and see how hard that is. try mixing two records together and see how hard it is to get the snares to match and have the result sound decent. even try scratching and haveing it sound decent. its not talentless, trust me, i have tried all of the things above, and its not easy. go to a Beat Junkie Concert and see the wonders they do with the turntables, believe me, i have been there, and i was amazed to say the least. and if you want to go into the cultural aspect of it, go to a break dancing competition, remember some of the stuff that the people do, and go home and try it. then you will see the strength it takes to perform the way they do, and you will know the TALENT that is needed to do it.

Lardlad95

27th August 2002, 02:32

not to mention you have the least valid arguements I have ever seen you make.

Your personal opinion does not validate an arguement

since opinions are biased then all of your arguements can't be taken as fact

Lardlad95

27th August 2002, 02:36

Quote: from abstractmentality on 2:31 am on Aug. 27, 2002

Quote: from Mazdak on 1:09 am on Aug. 27, 2002
BUT for christs sake at least country music involves talent!!!

have you not read anything i have written about the talent involved in hip-hop? all of the elements have their own difficulty level and require different talents. flowing into a mic with the beat is not as easy as it seems. try free styling a verse or two with a beat and record yourself doing it, and you will see how hard it is. believe me, i have tried it, and it sounded like shit because i dont posses that talent. try imitating a beat you hear, any beat, using only your mouth to creat the sounds and see how hard that is. try mixing two records together and see how hard it is to get the snares to match and have the result sound decent. even try scratching and haveing it sound decent. its not talentless, trust me, i have tried all of the things above, and its not easy. go to a Beat Junkie Concert and see the wonders they do with the turntables, believe me, i have been there, and i was amazed to say the least. and if you want to go into the cultural aspect of it, go to a break dancing competition, remember some of the stuff that the people do, and go home and try it. then you will see the strength it takes to perform the way they do, and you will know the TALENT that is needed to do it.

better yet go to a group of kids who are freestylin and battle them. And don't go up to just anyone, go up to some kids who are actualy good at it.

Go up to some kids who are break dancing and try and battle them. Try and do some moves.

Battle some DJ's

according to you it will be easy, but I bet once you actualy do it you will walk away shamed