Politics and Partners

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Wasn't sure which forum to put this in so I'll put it in Learning, nothing seems to get moved from there. My question is this: When you like someone, does it affect your view of them if they have quite a right wing political view or that they aren't (Anarchist/Communist). One relationship of mine deteriorated for that very reason, an argument over religion. It doesn't affect me a lot if they aren't Anarchist as long as they are open minded and can debate with me, but if they are pro Capitalist I will just have too many arguments.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I have never actually been in a relationship(i'm 18. this is sad, I know), but I think the person's politics would have alot of affect on it. I'm not one who just likes to keep quiet about the different events happening in the world. I enjoy talking politics and already I take alot of piss from my friends for my views. They drive me insane so I'm sure dating some Free-Market fanatic would drive me insane as well. We would be arguing way too much. Furhest right I would probably go is Social Democrat. Besides, those right wingers would probably think me crazy anyway. :laugh:

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I have never actually been in a relationship(i'm 18. this is sad, I know), but I think the person's politics would have alot of affect on it. I'm not one who just likes to keep quiet about the different events happening in the world. I enjoy talking politics and already I take alot of piss from my friends for my views. They drive me insane so I'm sure dating some Free-Market fanatic would drive me insane as well. We would be arguing way too much. Furhest right I would probably go is Social Democrat. Besides, those right wingers would probably think me crazy anyway. :laugh:

Yup. I have to say I agree. If someone has no concept of the class struggle and doesn't believe in such a thing then I really get pissed off with them, they have to at least have an understanding of Anarchist/Communist theory so we can debate. Cos there's this girl I used to really really like, I suppose I still do, but she has some pretty annoying liberal views and has no concept of the class struggle and she doesn't know of the terms bourgeois or proletariat and it really annoys me. I need to try and convert her.

[LeninBalls]

Not really, unless they take their views quite seriously. I mean if a girl says they like capitalism and believe it > communism, I'm not going to care. When they start constantly bringing about debates about capitalism, telling me how communism is an utter failture and telling me we should privatize water, then I might start getting annoyed.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Not really, unless they take their views quite seriously. I mean if a girl says they like capitalism and believe it > communism, I'm not going to care. When they start constantly bringing about debates about capitalism, telling me how communism is an utter failture and telling me we should privatize water, then I might start getting annoyed.

So if someone has little understanding of Communism and the class struggle would you like them?

[LOLseph Stalin]

Yup. I have to say I agree. If someone has no concept of the class struggle and doesn't believe in such a thing then I really get pissed off with them, they have to at least have an understanding of Anarchist/Communist theory so we can debate. Cos there's this girl I used to really really like, I suppose I still do, but she has some pretty annoying liberal views and has no concept of the class struggle and she doesn't know of the terms bourgeois or proletariat and it really annoys me. I need to try and convert her.

Sounds like my friends. I debated with one once and she didn't know the terms Proletarian and Bourgeoisie so I had to say workers and ruling class instead. The debate itself was pretty much a disaster and ended with my friend getting pissed and telling me to move to China which isn't even Communist.

[Dóchas]

So if someone has little understanding of Communism and the class struggle would you like them?

ha ha congrats :lol:

well obvioulsy im not going to judge them on whether they are well learned in revolutionary terms thats a bit harsh on them but it is a small factor in it. if they are really anti communist though i dont think i could stay with them

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Sounds like my friends. I debated with one once and she didn't know the terms Proletarian and Bourgeoisie so I had to say workers and ruling class instead. The debate itself was pretty much a disaster and ended with my friend getting pissed and telling me to move to China which isn't even Communist.

Ha yeah I had the same thing the other day. I was telling this guy about Anarchism/Communism and he said "I just don't like the idea of sharing my Xbox with a hobo". So then I said do you need a Xbox and he said "go live in Russia". :lol:

[Stranger Than Paradise]

ha ha congrats :lol:

well obvioulsy im not going to judge them on whether they are well learned in revolutionary terms thats a bit harsh on them but it is a small factor in it. if they are really anti communist though i dont think i could stay with them

Well actually it doesn't mean much. I would prefer someone to have little understanding of Communism and was open minded than someone who was Liberal and proclaimed them self as liberal though.

[Dóchas]

Sounds like my friends. I debated with one once and she didn't know the terms Proletarian and Bourgeoisie so I had to say workers and ruling class instead. The debate itself was pretty much a disaster and ended with my friend getting pissed and telling me to move to China which isn't even Communist.


ha ha thats fucking classic but it sounds very familier. i wish there was someone near me who had at least a basic understanding of revolutionary theory



Ha yeah I had the same thing the other day. I was telling this guy about Anarchism/Communism and he said "I just don't like the idea of sharing my Xbox with a hobo". So then I said do you need a Xbox and he said "go live in Russia". http://www.revleft.com/vb/politics-and-partners-t106805/revleft/smilies2/laugh.gif


but even then there would be no hobos because we would all be the same, in finacial terms. sure we could all be rich!!! or hobos whichever takes your fancy ;)

[LOLseph Stalin]

Ha yeah I had the same thing the other day. I was telling this guy about Anarchism/Communism and he said "I just don't like the idea of sharing my Xbox with a hobo". So then I said do you need a Xbox and he said "go live in Russia". http://www.revleft.com/vb/politics-and-partners-p1419411/revleft/smilies2/laugh.gif

That seems to be a common argument actually. My friend said something about not wanting to share her clothes when we debated.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

ha ha thats fucking classic but it sounds very familier. i wish there was someone near me who had at least a basic understanding of revolutionary theory



but even then there would be no hobos because we would all be the same, in finacial terms. sure we could all be rich!!! or hobos whichever takes your fancy ;)

I never thought of that. I always get flustered in debates you see.

[Dóchas]

I never thought of that. I always get flustered in debates you see.

ye same here i always think of the greatest come back ever...two hours after the debate ended :blushing:. i always try to predict what arguments they have because they are usually the same

[Stranger Than Paradise]

ye same here i always think of the greatest come back ever...two hours after the debate ended :blushing:. i always try to predict what arguments they have because they are usually the same

Yep thats what I'm starting to do. I always try to think how the debate will start and have ready responses for what they are likely to say.

[LOLseph Stalin]

ye same here i always think of the greatest come back ever...two hours after the debate ended http://www.revleft.com/vb/politics-and-partners-p1419423/revleft/smilies2/blushing.gif. i always try to predict what arguments they have because they are usually the same

Yes they are. Let's compile a list here:

-Everybody gets paid the same regardless of how hard they work
-Communism sucks because look at China, USSR, etc.
-in Communism there's no incentive to work hard
-Communism is against human nature

Anyway, you get the idea.

[Dóchas]

Yes they are. Let's compile a list here:

-Everybody gets paid the same regardless of how hard they work
-Communism sucks because look at China, USSR, etc.
-in Communism there's no incentive to work hard
-Communism is against human nature

Anyway, you get the idea.

ye thats pretty much what i go through every time i engage in a debate. it just gets boring after a while :rolleyes:

[Stranger Than Paradise]

ye thats pretty much what i go through every time i engage in a debate. it just gets boring after a while :rolleyes:

That's why ideally I prefer girls who have an open mind to ideas and aren't liberals or any pro-capitalist ideology.

[LOLseph Stalin]

ye thats pretty much what i go through every time i engage in a debate. it just gets boring after a while http://www.revleft.com/vb/politics-and-partners-t106805/revleft/smilies/001_rolleyes.gif

Agreed. Like come up with different arguments for a change, people! These ones have already been refuted a million times! :rolleyes:


That's why ideally I prefer girls who have an open mind to ideas and aren't liberals or any pro-capitalist ideology.

When in doubt convert them. Ok, fine that's difficult. I have been trying for months on my friends, but they're just too ignorant and Capitalist to care. Just go for the Commie guys/girls.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

When in doubt convert them. Ok, fine that's difficult. I have been trying for months on my friends, but they're just too ignorant and Capitalist to care. Just go for the Commie guys/girls.

The only commie girl I know scares me very much though....

[Pogue]

I could deal with a liberal or social democrat type, but no way a conservative, Randroid (who would ever date one anyway), racist, fascist (definatly not) etc.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I could deal with a liberal or social democrat type, but no way a conservative, Randroid (who would ever date one anyway), racist, fascist (definatly not) etc.

Liberals annoy me almost the most. Maybe it's because all the ones I know of are (I'll resist the word) snobbish and arrogant. Because I have a friend who is a really nice liberal girl who I don't dislike and she isn't snobbish or arrogant. If I knew a nice Liberal who was open minded and unsnobbish then maybe I wouldn't feel that way about them, but then again the girl I mentioned earlier isn't snobbish and arrogant but I get annoyed at her when she says nice things about Obama.

[pastradamus]

Wasn't sure which forum to put this in so I'll put it in Learning, nothing seems to get moved from there. My question is this: When you like someone, does it affect your view of them if they have quite a right wing political view or that they aren't (Anarchist/Communist). One relationship of mine deteriorated for that very reason, an argument over religion. It doesn't affect me a lot if they aren't Anarchist as long as they are open minded and can debate with me, but if they are pro Capitalist I will just have too many arguments.

I've gone out with a few women in my day but the one im with now is rather left-leaning so im happy with that. Dont let politics get in the way of a good relationship. There's more to life than politics anyway man.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I've gone out with a few women in my day but the one im with now is rather left-leaning so im happy with that. Dont let politics get in the way of a good relationship. There's more to life than politics anyway man.

Yeah but because of my argumentative attitude it makes it hard for me to go out with someone who isn't left leaning. Your right though, I need to learn to stop this and call up this girl. I've never liked someone the way I like her but our friendship has pretty much been nonexistant since I argued with her about that. I need to show her I'm not going to be like that anymore.

[LOLseph Stalin]

The only commie girl I know scares me very much though....

At least you know Commies. I only know a Sympathizer. He asked me out once, but I declined. I only liked him as a friend. Like he agrees with the Communist ideals, but doesn't want to get organized or involved in the class struggle. It's kinda complicated actually, but he told me why.

[bellyscratch]

There's more to life than politics anyway man.

Really? 1st I've hear of it... :D

[Hit The North]

Wasn't sure which forum to put this in so I'll put it in Learning, nothing seems to get moved from there.

Moved to Chit Chat :)

[h0m0revolutionary]

I tinhk it depends on how political you are, i'm very active so couldn't really cope with someone who wasn't out and out anarcho, my partners by and large have always been of that leaning.

Can't be doing with the arguing in bed if anything else x_X

Luckily, my current partner is anarchist-communist :laugh: Win.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

What the hell I had like 211 posts and now its 200. Why does this happen?

[Angry Young Man]

Liberals might be the more annoying, but why would one fuck a conservative when you and him/her would, most likely, be mutually reviled by the other? It's understandable that a liberal and a leftist would go out, and their politics would annoy each other, but me being pre-disposed to need harsh antacids every time I but think about tories, I couldn't see myself fucking one.

...Unless he was properly fit! :p

[Pirate Utopian]

I would see myself having sex with a male conservative/nazi and having them reconcile it with their politics.
It would be funny as hell.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Liberals might be the more annoying, but why would one fuck a conservative when you and him/her would, most likely, be mutually reviled by the other? It's understandable that a liberal and a leftist would go out, and their politics would annoy each other, but me being pre-disposed to need harsh antacids every time I but think about tories, I couldn't see myself fucking one.

...Unless he was properly fit! :p

Well there's definitely some really fit enough liberals and conservative girls I know but I couldn't be in any significant sort of relationship with most of them.

[Invincible Summer]

In terms of partners, my fiancee is a liberal/social democrat of sorts... if it means anything she scored like. -5/-6 on the Political Compass :lol: But we hardly talk politics. I think mainly it's because when it starts, we just have such differing opinions sometimes that we don't want to fight and just end it with us agreeing to disagree.

For friends though, a whole bunch of my male friends from high school are "Libertarians" now, or social conservatives which really pisses me off. The only real "communist" that I am friends with is more of a left social democrat that works for the Liberal Party of Canada :laugh:.

Also, I've noticed that most girls I've encountered are either politically apathetic or more liberal than guys. I've also noticed that a lot of the good-looking liberal girls are pretty much hippies which I can't deal with.


Have any of you talked about participation in a revolution w/ a significant other?

[YSR]

If you're actually an organizer, not an armchair radical, it's really difficult to have a relationship with someone who you don't at least mostly agree with, because you're devoting large segments of your life to something that the other thinks is false/bad/useless/whatever. If someone can't respect you for what you do, and you them, it's hard to have a relationship.

That said, and with much love, the vast majority of RevLefters aren't active in the struggle, so it probably doesn't matter to most folks here.

[ChocolateToothpaste]

I did the unthinkable and dated a fascist for quite a while (so I win the "I dated someone with different beliefs" contest). This sounds ridiculous even to me when I say it out loud. I don't recommend it for anyone on this site when there are so many fine Anarchist men out and about. While he was a decent boyfriend, he wouldn't have dated me if I wasn't able to continue on his German bloodline and all that great stuff.

The happy ending is that now I'm pursuing a guy who I'm pretty sure is some kind of left-winger. At the very least, he is of Jewish descent and is therefore not a Stormfront member.

[Module]

Opinions on politics for most people are largely a matter of the best method to achieve the same goal (justice!). As song as somebody is not consciously socially reactionary I don't think I'd care.

[Devrim]

I tinhk it depends on how political you are, i'm very active so couldn't really cope with someone who wasn't out and out anarcho, my partners by and large have always been of that leaning.

Can't be doing with the arguing in bed if anything else x_X

I don't really think it depends on how political you are at all, and I can imagine anarchists arguing politics in bed much more than my wife and I do (almost never).


If you're actually an organizer, not an armchair radical, it's really difficult to have a relationship with someone who you don't at least mostly agree with, because you're devoting large segments of your life to something that the other thinks is false/bad/useless/whatever. If someone can't respect you for what you do, and you them, it's hard to have a relationship.

I think that people can respect what others do without necessarily agreeing with it all.

My wife thinks that communism is a good idea, and supports what I do. She is not involved politically and never has been. She reads our press, and (very) occasionally goes to a demonstration.

For me though, I am quite glad that I don't have to come home from involvement with politics, and discuss it again at home. It allows me to escape from it.

Devrim

[Holden Caulfield]

If you're actually an organizer, not an armchair radical, it's really difficult to have a relationship with someone who you don't at least mostly agree with, because you're devoting large segments of your life to something that the other thinks is false/bad/useless/whatever. If someone can't respect you for what you do, and you them, it's hard to have a relationship.
My GF isn't interested in 'politics', I told often that I put going to stuff over going to see her and it often causes alot of shit. We often argue when she does summit like read a sad article than animals and I tell her that some dogs are better fed than people and that to care more about animals that people is inhumane, or defends her mates who often come out with such bullshit like 'people shouldnt have abortions, but I would if i was pregnant'.

She did buy a fair bit of food for the Sheffield occupation, but I couldn't blag her to go in and support them properly, she didnt see the point. Then last night we saw 'Waltzing With Bashir' and she was all teary eyed asking why that can happen, and why people are doing nothing about it.

Its annoying that she is not political, but it does really matter than much, she supports me alot, she get upset when i call her bourgeois (in jest) for going shopping which is cute because she doesn't know what it means only that its bad.

I wouldnt have her anyother way tho

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

If you're lucky, Lindsey German is single...

The political compass of a partner doesn't particularly bother me... I think about 3 years ago in a similar thread I made a post saying that I wanted to work on my then girlfriend and turn her in to a radical leftist, convert her to atheism etc... But you've just gotta let things be man...

I could happily date a conservative, I'd enjoy the banter. I wouldn't exactly hold my breath for converting her and I'd probably keep the politics on the down-lo, there are other things to talk about than religion/politics. Aside for endearing verbal jabs about her being reactionary blah blah, haha.

Never dated anyone fiercely left wing, one of my ex's was left leaning, she was from Chile - her grandma was a big Allende supporter - so it was just sort of in her family's culture... Although in six months, politics probably came up 2 or 3 times?

[brigadista]

Wasn't sure which forum to put this in so I'll put it in Learning, nothing seems to get moved from there. My question is this: When you like someone, does it affect your view of them if they have quite a right wing political view or that they aren't (Anarchist/Communist). One relationship of mine deteriorated for that very reason, an argument over religion. It doesn't affect me a lot if they aren't Anarchist as long as they are open minded and can debate with me, but if they are pro Capitalist I will just have too many arguments.

mos def - its essential they have the same or similar politics- i would find it hard to respect someone with RW or Liberal views and i would not want to curtail my life or my partners due to being political "on the downlow". Past experience has shown me it is pointless having a partner with opposing or no political beliefs..

[Holden Caulfield]

I could happily date a conservative, I'd enjoy the banter. I wouldn't exactly hold my breath for converting her and I'd probably keep the politics on the down-lo, there are other things to talk about than religion/politics. Aside for endearing verbal jabs about her being reactionary blah blah, haha.


I dunno about being happy with a full on conservative, its goes beyond politics with stuff like that, i would find it hard to get along with somebody who is a supporter of things i detest. I couldnt sit quietly and allow shit opinions to be flitted around on religion, class, sexuality, race or whatever with out wanting to challege it. I get on with my mates at uni who are pretty middle class but if I had the choice I'ld rather hang about with my mates from home who were brought up with the same common values, outlooks and experiences as me. The same goes for girlfriends,

[BobKKKindle$]

If you're lucky, Lindsey German is single...lol, I think she's actually John Rees' partner!

Anyway, my past girlfriends have all known about my politics and have generally agreed with me whenever we've had a discussion about a particular issue, like abortion, or the situation in Palestine, but I've never dated anyone who is intensely political, or willing to get active. I don't really mind, because when I'm not doing political things as an activist I have to spend a lot of time reading and thinking about politics anyway, because that's what I'm studying at university, so it's nice to have a break from time to time. I don't think I would ever be able to date a really conservative person if it actually influenced the way they behaved and the things we spoke about.


Then last night we saw 'Waltzing With Bashir'Ugh, don't get me started about that film. For those who haven't seen it, it's basically a semi-documentary film about the experiences of the Israeli soldiers who fought in Lebanon during the 1980s, and the nightmares and traumatic experiences they had once they returned to civilian life. The basic message of the film (for me, anyway) is that war is bad because of what it does to the aggressors, regardless of how many civilian casualties the IDF caused. Whereas the film went into the lives of individual Israeli soldiers, and followed their experiences in detail, the only time the Palestinians were actually covered during the entire film was as groups, shouting, and fleeing from a threat - in other words, there was a dichotomy between the human, individual Israelis, and the animal, collective Palestinians. In fact, the only time a Palestinian speaks is at the very end of the film when the massacres at the refugee camps are briefly covered*, and even in that instance "speaks" is probably not the right word - a Palestinian woman screams, further reinforcing the notion that Palestinians lack the same emotional depth as the Israelis, and ought to be considered animals.

*In case you're wondering, this isn't designed to reveal the atrocities committed by the IDF - the Christian Phalange are portrayed as solely responsible.

[Bilan]

I don't usually care that much.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

I dunno about being happy with a full on conservative, its goes beyond politics with stuff like that, i would find it hard to get along with somebody who is a supporter of things i detest. I couldnt sit quietly and allow shit opinions to be flitted around on religion, class, sexuality, race or whatever with out wanting to challege it. I get on with my mates at uni who are pretty middle class but if I had the choice I'ld rather hang about with my mates from home who were brought up with the same common values, outlooks and experiences as me. The same goes for girlfriends,

I don't mean "full on" conservative, like an aspiring member of the conservative party who has a bumper sticker on the £7000 first car her parents bought her that says "Wednesday's wild! Young Conservatives night out"... Just someone who was just generally a bit conservative.

Dating someone as committed to politics as myself doesn't appeal (I mean on either polemic as well), I just wouldn't want it to dominate the conversation too much.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

lol, I think she's actually John Rees' partner!


That's just not nice...

[bcbm]

I fucked a fascist once.

[Bilan]

bcbm is king. :lol:

[al8]

I once put off a prospective partner by challenging New Ageism. I just had to do it because I had resently de-converted and seen through the farce. I really regret it though. Next time I plan to fake agreement at whatever cost.

[Jack]

If she's a reactionary, just don't use a condom.

[bellyscratch]

If she's a reactionary, just don't use a condom.
:huh:


:lol:

[bcbm]

I once put off a prospective partner by challenging New Ageism. I just had to do it because I had resently de-converted and seen through the farce. I really regret it though. Next time I plan to fake agreement at whatever cost.

Aw man hippies are the best.


If she's a reactionary, just don't use a condom.

That's a horribly fucked-up thing to say.

[revolution inaction]

If she's a reactionary, just don't use a condom.

would you want your child brought up by a reactionary?

[Invincible Summer]

If she's a reactionary, just don't use a condom.


That's really terrible (chauvanistic?).

[Angry Young Man]

Does anyone remember the era of ihavenoidea, who said she was with a former neo nazi? Properly pissed her off! :D

[brigadista]

If she's a reactionary, just don't use a condom.

don't be silly

[Angry Young Man]

There are gonna be some severe arguments on how to raise the kids there.

Course, the kids'd side with the left parent because their tack is less likely to be Nazi governess-like

[gorillafuck]

I would never date a conservative but I'd be fine with a social democrat type or non-political. I would really like for them to be agnostic or an atheist, though.

[DreamWeaver]

If she's a reactionary, just don't use a condom.

Horrible thing to say, but I still laughed my ass off! :D :laugh: