Idealists

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

Anybody an idealist like me?I'm an idealist just wantin to know who else was

[Young-and-angry]

I put yes, just because the cappas have fucked up any chance before, doesn't mean there's still a chance for an idealistic society.

[bailey_187]

Is it even possible to be a Marxist and an idealist?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

If I wanted to hear people talk bollocks and maybe talk a little bit of bullshit myself id fuck off to church

[Hit The North]

CHE, you need to clarify your terms. What do you mean by the term "idealist"? Young and angry apears to be using it in the common usage of an idealist being someone who holds certain ideals. On the other hand there is a precise meaning in philosophy, which is captured in this wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism

[/URL]This can be contrasted with materialism or realism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism (http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism)

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_realism

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Of course, when I attempt to clarify things, I am accused of indulging in 'semantics'...

[Hit The North]

Of course, when I attempt to clarify things, I am accused of indulging in 'semantics'...

Poor you. :(

[Revy]

From the wiki article, "In his chief work Truth, Antiphon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiphon_%28person%29) wrote: "Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time) is a thought (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought) or a measure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement), not a substance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_theory)". This presents time as an ideational, internal, mental operation, rather than a real, external object."

I agree with this part. Time has always seemed to me to be just a concept. Though I'll admit I don't know much about physics.

Though, the concept that reality is inseparable from the mind or ideas, sounds to me like something out of The Matrix.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

BTB:


Poor you.

Your sympathy is noted but not necessary since you are among the worst offenders.

[Alex Libman]

I obviously hold very different political opinions than most people on this forum, but my efforts to reconcile idealism with pragmatism could be relevant to you in spite of that. I recognize that among us libertarians the debate between the Anarcho-Capitalists and Minarchists will not be resolved any time soon - nor should it.

Being a programmer, I tend to think of this through the following analogy: imagine I get hired to re-engineer the information systems of a small business and develop a new version of their accounting software while keeping their business running with the old version in the meantime. I find that the current IT system is a 1960s-era pre-UNIX mainframe held together with duct tape, the Algol code is documented in French, and it averages three electrical fires per month, which as of now are my problem to deal with. The new system will be perfect, but I need time to implement it, test everything, make sure it can handle all of their long-term business needs, document it, train the accountants to use it, convert the data, make changes to other systems that used to interact with the accounting mainframe, and so on. That old mainframe represents society as it stands now, and the patches I need to make to the mainframe to keep the short-term business operations flowing is what the pragmatic / minacrhist Libertarian Party is trying to do. The new version (i.e. perfect Anarcho-Capitalism) may take a while to stabilize, and not everyone will want to be an alpha / beta tester. You have to split your time between the two systems and keep both your balls in the air.

[KropotkinKomrade]

I believe the external world preceeded our individual internal existences. Meaning that I am not an idealist. It is this (idealistic) notion that humans and human conciousness is at the center of the universe which leads to irrational actions which destroy our earth and seperate us from each other. We're all just a bunch of fun-loving creatures. There theoretically shouldn't be any reason we can't coexist, but most people hold onto the past like a religious doctrine and deny our obvious similarities. We have enough resources and the means of mass production to provide for everyone, unless we have reached the point of overpopulation where this is no longer true. But this is the main point, we must actively work together not to overpopulate to the point of mass suffering, that is if we haven't already.

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

Sorry I mean the technical term I can't link but if you care that much they say it on wikipedia