Is N Korea endangering world stability?

[RSS News]

Pyongyang says it will quit talks on its nuclear activities. How can the country be dissuaded?

(Feed provided by BBC News | Have your Say (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/talking_point/default.stm))

[NecroCommie]

N-Korea is a threath to political stability only, if N-Koreas existence is needed for political stability.

[Dimentio]

Pyongyang says it will quit talks on its nuclear activities. How can the country be dissuaded?

(Feed provided by BBC News | Have your Say (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/talking_point/default.stm))

Why am I not surprised that you have written this piece?

North Korea is only a threat to world peace if its going to implode.

[Jorge Miguel]

Why does this anti-communist and anti-national self determination trash make its way onto the board?

[Pogue]

I don't see how its anti-communist. It's certainly not pro-communuist, but it doesn't talk about communism at all.

[Jorge Miguel]

Yes, it is anti-communism. Obviously the Korean people chose the wrong path, according to imperialist logic, when the Communists founded the national liberation army and liberated the country from Japanese imperialism. Now we have this nonsense about "stability", which is an absolute non-issue. It's another effort at "regime change" under another name. What stability has the DPRK ever threatened except when they have consistently supported national liberation and communist organisations around the world?

[Cumannach]

Of course Communism endangers world stability.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Of course Communism endangers world stability.
Exactly, it has to be. Otherwise, communism will never come later.

[Pogue]

Communism threatens world stability, yes. But there is no communism in the DPRK.

[Yazman]

Why does this anti-communist and anti-national self determination trash make its way onto the board?

self determination? Oh please, some of you people are so damn hypocritical, particularly the leninists among you who support the soviet invasions of countries that overthrew pro-soviet governments like Hungary, claiming it was "saving them from imperialism" rather than just violating their self determination.

So many of you are awfully selective when it comes to the whole self-determination argument, to the point of hypocrisy.

[Cumannach]

Communism threatens world stability, yes. But there is no communism in the DPRK.

Full marks, I stand corrected.

It's Socialism they have in the DPRK

[Jorge Miguel]

self determination? Oh please, some of you people are so damn hypocritical, particularly the leninists among you who support the soviet invasions of countries that overthrew pro-soviet governments like Hungary, claiming it was "saving them from imperialism" rather than just violating their self determination.

So many of you are awfully selective when it comes to the whole self-determination argument, to the point of hypocrisy.
I think de-classified CIA documents say things I never could.

[Dimentio]

Yes, it is anti-communism. Obviously the Korean people chose the wrong path, according to imperialist logic, when the Communists founded the national liberation army and liberated the country from Japanese imperialism. Now we have this nonsense about "stability", which is an absolute non-issue. It's another effort at "regime change" under another name. What stability has the DPRK ever threatened except when they have consistently supported national liberation and communist organisations around the world?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp7RkdvyDDI

[Pogue]

Full marks, I stand corrected.

It's Socialism they have in the DPRK

No, its not.

[Cumannach]

No, its not.

Yes, it is.

[Patchd]

self determination? Oh please, some of you people are so damn hypocritical, particularly the leninists among you who support the soviet invasions of countries that overthrew pro-soviet governments like Hungary, claiming it was "saving them from imperialism" rather than just violating their self determination.

So many of you are awfully selective when it comes to the whole self-determination argument, to the point of hypocrisy.

I think de-classified CIA documents say things I never could.

So those silly Hungarians were just misguided and therefore needed to be guided the right way again by the Soviets? Come on, there wouldn't have been an uprising if the authorities weren't doing something wrong in the first place, people don't just rise up for shits and giggles.

[Yehuda Stern]

North Korea isn't endangering world stability - it, or rather, its ruling class simply understands that any third world country whose regime faces threats from US imperialism can only avoid being invaded by building nuclear weapons. In this sense, it is actually imperialism that endangers so called world stability.


Yes, it is anti-communism. Obviously the Korean people chose the wrong path, according to imperialist logic, when the Communists founded the national liberation army and liberated the country from Japanese imperialism.

Only Stalinists and extreme right wingers take the North Korean regime's rhetoric about communism. It doesn't even consider itself Marxist anymore.

[Jorge Miguel]

Hp7RkdvyDDI
Can you explain the relevance of this?


So those silly Hungarians were just misguided and therefore needed to be guided the right way again by the Soviets? Come on, there wouldn't have been an uprising if the authorities weren't doing something wrong in the first place, people don't just rise up for shits and giggles.
Two posters, yourself included, have replied to me about Hungary. Where have I ever mentioned Hungary? How is it relevant?


Only Stalinists and extreme right wingers take the North Korean regime's rhetoric about communism. It doesn't even consider itself Marxist anymore.Yes, but obviously they have chosen the wrong path in asserting the fact they will not surrender their national self-determination. Bourgeois logic places the DPRK as the aggressors, when the opposite is the truth.

[Dimentio]

The relevance is that your imagination about what socialism is, is seriously fecked up.

[Jorge Miguel]

The relevance is that your imagination about what socialism is, is seriously fecked up.:tt1:
JEiSeih-gaU

[skki]

Jorge, your threads cause me real physical pain.
Please please please stop making them.

[Patchd]

Two posters, yourself included, have replied to me about Hungary. Where have I ever mentioned Hungary? How is it relevant
Yazman mentioned Hungary, you then went onto seemingly (to me) imply that CIA files showed that Soviet intervention was truly "needed" in the region in order to stabilise it.

[Jorge Miguel]

Yazman mentioned Hungary, you then went onto seemingly (to me) imply that CIA files showed that Soviet intervention was truly "needed" in the region in order to stabilise it.I can't change history nor am I responsible for it. This is a thread about Korea, whilst I recognise there may be some criticisms regarding the Soviet Union violating the national soveriengty of other countries, I am not responsible for that either.

[Patchd]

I can't change history nor am I responsible for it. This is a thread about Korea, whilst I recognise there may be some criticisms regarding the Soviet Union violating the national soveriengty of other countries, I am not responsible for that either.

Definitely, no one here is responsible for any wrongdoings of the former USSR, but the question is, would you have defended the USSR in their actions with regards to Hungary?

[Jorge Miguel]

Definitely, no one here is responsible for any wrongdoings of the former USSR, but the question is, would you have defended the USSR in their actions with regards to Hungary?Hypothetically, yes, it's likely. I don't believe the event should have taken place at all, however, because it had an incredibly negative impact for western communist parties.

[Yehuda Stern]

Yes, but obviously they have chosen the wrong path in asserting the fact they will not surrender their national self-determination. Bourgeois logic places the DPRK as the aggressors, when the opposite is the truth.

The second half I can agree with; however, seeing as NK is very willing to make a deal with imperialism, I can't see how their not surrendering is the cause for the aggression - I think the cause is that their surrender comes with conditions.