We've Lost

[Comrade Anarchist]

Now what i mean by that is that we communists here in the U.S. have lost the chance and ability to start a communist revolution or have communists voted into office. We have done nothing to try and reclaim the name communism which is now used for every dictatorship on Earth. Our schools k-12 call stalinist russia and the whole warsaw pact communist and yet any actual communist would tell you that they weren't but instead that they were nothing more than fascist countries using the name communist and you also have to look at the fact that news media in the U.S. owned by the wealthiest men in the U.S. has preached that dictatorships are communist so every american hears that the communist north korea lauched a missle today or communist china put down more riots today. We need to stand up and show that we are not the soviet union that we are not china that we are not north korea and that we are their exact opposites. We need to make ourselves be heard and not just at protests but at in the actual american political arena. Americans will constantly live in fear of communism as long as they don't know what it is because they are not told what it is but that is why we must correct these mistakes in our history books and begin separating communism from the Ussr, china, north korea, and almost every other nation that calls them selves Communist. The Ideology of Communism will never evolve into reality as long as this continues to happen.

[RedAnarchist]

Lost is certainly too pessimistic. Losing, yes, but never lost - especially as the chance to win is starting to increase. Only capitalism can lose completely.

[dez]

Now what i mean by that is that we communists here in the U.S. have lost the chance and ability to start a communist revolution or have communists voted into office

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[Uppercut]

I wouldn't say we've lost completely. Just wait till the Stock Market implodes again, and this time for good. There'll be riots and time for revolution in the coming months/years.

[Revy]

"We've Lost"?

Well, I might as well just give up and go home. After all, no revolution ever started when all hope was lost!


...oh wait.

[redSHARP]

chin up comrade!!

Solidarity comrade!!
who farmed the prairie yet still gets shafted?
who runs the factories but sees little for it?
all the wonders of humanity are ours to be had!!
our power is greater than the might of atoms magnified a thousand fold!

this may day you and your friends get out buy a six pack and ring in the may day holiday! relish the fact you are the forefront of a great movement that wants to liberate the working class from exploitation, high taxes, racism, the lack of real progress.

I want a world were i can stand with my comrade shoulder to shoulder with dirt and grease on my hands and see a field of wheat or a new factory producing goods for the ones who built them! i want a world i be proud to give to my kids. will you join me?

[Bitter Ashes]

I think you may be approaching this the wrong way. Because, as you say, most people dont realise what communism really is.... you can actualy teach people about it without setting off the Red Scare if you're tactful :) The irony is wonderful isnt it? :P

I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet too much right now, but I've been doing this "survey" about workers' rights in Leeds City Centre with Faceless recently and been getting a good result from people who (quote) "Would like to be contacted about workers' rights issues again in the future". We stood there and practically got them to disagree with capitism and agree with socialism without making use of any of the stigma words such as "Communism", "Socialmism", or "Anarchism". The end result? I think we've got about a dozen people now who have basicly said they want to learn more about it all. If they can agree to it without the name, then they can agree to it with the name at a later date. Give it a go :)

[Incendiarism]

I too subscribe to this depressingly bleak fatalistic outlook. I'm on the road to nowhere, but it's no real bother to me because being depressed is the only way to live, you know? And even if we're losing, it can only get better.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Lost is just the beginning of our glory...our glorious winning:)

[NecroCommie]

This is going to be as dramatic as the great patriotic war! First it will seem like all is lost... but then!... When the enemy is at our gates, we will have our stalingrad of politics, and start our triumph at the darkest hour!

[Patchd]

Now what i mean by that is that we communists here in the U.S. have lost the chance and ability to start a communist revolution or have communists voted into office. We have done nothing to try and reclaim the name communism which is now used for every dictatorship on Earth.

That doesn't mean that you've "lost". We've lost when society has turned to barbarism. In addition, getting other Communists voted into office should not be a desire of Communists, perhaps that's something which some American revolutionaries are doing wrong, such as the CPUSA or SWP (USA).

In addition, the term "Communism" being used to describe "every dictatorship on Earth" isn't something to be worried about either, our task as revolutionaries and agitators is to change that mindset as best we can in people around us. The bourgeois media are obviously going to continue in an attempt to discredit our movement, that won't stop.

[Pogue]

The word communism may have been dirtied but the ideas of community and workplace democracy haven't so you know, use new words.

[Guevara shadow]

i don,t know if we have as communist to abandon the experiences in union soviet or china because people thinks that this countries are dictatorship signs
we have our ideology and we are not shame
we have to tell the people that media owned by capitalists give us a

Distorted images so it became easier for them to control over our minds
peace out life long communism

[bcbm]

We're supposed to be organizing for our class interests and agitating along those lines, not fighting to have some history book changed or teach people "the real meaning of communism." Of course we've lost if we're busy playing semantics and whining instead of building towards a fucking combatant class. Get your priorities squared.

[Communist Theory]

Our schools k-12 call stalinist russia and the whole warsaw pact communist and yet any actual communist would tell you that they weren't but instead that they were nothing more than fascist countries using the name communist.
How was Soviet Russia fascist?

[Communist]

We haven't lost, but we haven't won, either. The struggles continue.

[Charles Xavier]

Trying to wage a revolutionary change on your own will not lead to anything. So yes, if you are doing this and not actively involved in class struggle you have lost. We on the other hand will win.

Fatalism is a bourgeioisie ideological current in the worker's movement, why try and change, they are going to do what they want anyways, lets just give up! Revolutionaries must challenge the defeatists, defeatists and fatalists do not belong in revolutionary organizations.

The struggle always continues, it only takes a spark to light a prairie fire, there is only two options, either we fight for socialism, or we stand on our hands and wait for an ecological or nuclear holocaust.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

The word communism may have been dirtied but the ideas of community and workplace democracy haven't so you know, use new words.

Word

We've lost battles against mccarthyism and such... but there are still groups out there doing commendable work. The political landscape has changed where things like "god, gays and guns" no longer decide elections, but people are more concerned about losing their jobs and homes. There's widespread antipathy towards wall street, and union membership has even increased per annum for the first time in decades... Just look back over the past decade to the momentum of the anti-war movement and even back to things like the WTO riots.

I'm not being riotously optimistic, and feel free to dismiss this all as I'm a Brit. Nevertheless, our ideas aren't as obscure as some would like to paint us. Hell, Ohio even elected a "socialist" senator (his politics may be questionable, but the stigma of the event is more poignant that the knee jerk reactionary dismissal of socialism as despotic and barbaric has slightly subsided).

[piet11111]

lost ? well we are at a historic low but we can only go up from here.

the people are now under direct threat of having their living standards ruined and they see that the fat cats are looting the tax payers money.
they are faced with a choice they can do nothing and lose or they can organize and fight back and we all know that is the domain of the radical left.

hell even the capitalist's own economists have been saying marx was right and that this form of capitalist parasitism can not work.
they are almost doing the work for us so there is very good prospects for the future.

[Charles Xavier]

I would argue we are not losing, but progressive struggles are emerging on every corner of the globe. In Latin America, the new centre of class struggle has appeared while mostly under reformist currents they are representative of an increased class consciousness and a willingness for revolutionary change.

In South Africa, Zuma is going to be president, maybe not a communist but an ally of progressive forces.

Relations between Cuba and the rest of the capitalist world have improved, and it wasnt because of knuckling under the pressure of an empire. In France, Ireland and Greece we see a developing revolutionary situation where the masses are ready to fight. In Iceland the government was brought down.

We are at the beginning of an all out assault of the working class, and when people's EI checks start running out, things will change quite quickly.

[RedScare]

When you're down, the only way to go is up.

[Guevara shadow]

guys i would like to say that words like lost is not from our ideology
we are as a marxiest know that only communisit can win and only capitalist can lose
and ever the time of losing " i thinks it,s starts four decades before union soviet broke down" the time of losing for social and anti-capitalist momvement has end in the last four or five years because as we saw social movment in latin america and in some areas in Asia and Africa improve well
in 2009 it,s our best time to improve that marx still alive after the worldwide economy

Crisis so i guess the word lost must be forgettin in strugglers mind
life long communisit
syrian comrades