Land And Freedom

[pastradamus]

One of my Favourite Films. If you have never seen this then do it!

Watch it here:
http://www.tv-links.eu/show_link.php?data=MzE0NzYz

[Black Sheep]

Seen it.
But i cannot verify the historical facts the movie portrays so i m a bit sceptical.

[Pogue]

Seen it.
But i cannot verify the historical facts the movie portrays so i m a bit sceptical.

What is it that you have doubts about?

[Black Sheep]

Lots of stuff:
the stance & action of the spanish CP before,during and after the war, POUM and the CNT, the thing about USSR and the material aid towards the revolution, the "united' goverment (not united, i m missing the term here..), etc.

[Absolut]

I thought the movie was a very accurate represenation of the events that took place.

[genstrike]

Well, the movie is clearly based on Homage to Catalonia, so it seems to show the war mainly as Orwell saw it. Overall, I thought it was an excellent movie and it is one of my favorites. I did a screening of it on campus about a year ago.

It's an interesting time, and sadly there aren't a lot of good movies based on it. I would love to see movies about other aspects of the war as well, such as one from the perspective of a Spanish peasant or worker (perhaps an epic like the Italian film "1900"), or a guy in the CNT militias, or an international brigadist, or from the Mujeres Libres... really, there is a lot to work with. there

[Pogue]

Lots of stuff:
the stance & action of the spanish CP before,during and after the war, POUM and the CNT, the thing about USSR and the material aid towards the revolution, the "united' goverment (not united, i m missing the term here..), etc.

The CP did fuck over the workers. What do you expect? It was Stalinist. They feared a true revolution.

The POUM and the CNT united in support of the revolution and were both persecuted for this.

The USSR gave material aid yes, but also attacked the anarchists/revolutionaries.

The united government was dominated by the CP, but had alot of left wing groups in it.

[PRC-UTE]

Lots of stuff:
the stance & action of the spanish CP before,during and after the war, POUM and the CNT, the thing about USSR and the material aid towards the revolution, the "united' goverment (not united, i m missing the term here..), etc.

Read Orwell's Homage to Catalonia. The film's based on that book

[Bandito]

Ken Loach is a great director, and this movie is a good one.
However, the bigger impression on me left his film "The Wind That Shakes The Barley"

Brilliant.

[x359594]

Ken Loach is a great director...

A short interview with Ken Loach, March 4, 2009:

I think in these dark times it's very important that we have parties of the left that stand on the principled opposition to capitalism, that explain why what is happening to our economies, what is happening internationally, comes from the capitalist system. It isn't something independent, it isn't an act of god, it comes from the economic system. The oppression of the Palestinians arises from economics because the US needs a strategic base in the Middle East, i.e. Israel. Therefore the oppression of the Palestinians and everything flows from that. The collapse of the economic system, the collapse of pensions, poverty, homelessness -- it has a common cause, which is the system of the means of production, distribution, and exchange. And until we tackle that central problem, we're simply dealing with the symptoms of the illness. Therefore, principled left parties are essential to our future. They are essential to peace, they are essential to people living with social justice. And these are dark times. The parties of the center left are now parties of the hard right. In our country, that's the Labour Party. It's now a party of the hard right, of privatization, the neoliberal agenda, support for Israel, and all the rest. Now, more than ever, we need parties of the principled left. And I absolutely support the work of Olivier Besancenot and his comrades in France. I think it is very important we support him in every way and those people active in the working-class movement and in other countries like Belgium. We support them electorally, we support them industrially. We support workers in struggle who are in the front line of the attacks, of the neoliberal attacks.

[Pawn Power]

Ken Loach is a great director, and this movie is a good one.
However, the bigger impression on me left his film "The Wind That Shakes The Barley"

Brilliant.

Yeah, I agree, Land and Freedom is a fine film, not stunningly spectacular like The Wind that Shakes the Barley.

I think the major difference is the superb acting in the later.

Does anyone know other films based during the Spanish Civil War, besides Pan's Labyrinth?

[griffjam]

Libertarias, For Whom the Bell Tolls,

and

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4229135/Spanish_Civil_War__The_(Six-Part__BBC_Documentary (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4229135/Spanish_Civil_War__The_%28Six-Part__BBC_Documentary))

[x359594]

...Does anyone know other films based during the Spanish Civil War, besides Pan's Labyrinth?

There's another Hollywood movie in addition to For Whom the Bell Tolls, Blockade (1938) with Henry Fonda and Madeliene Carroll. There's a post civil war story called Behold, A Pale Horse (1964) based on the last raid of Manuel Sabate.

Then there are the movie made by the C.N.T. Excluding documentaries, some titles are Aurora de esperanza (1937) about the dawning of political consciousness of a worker and his involvement in the revolution, Barrios Bajos (1937) about life in a lumpen Barcelona barrio, Libearcion (1937) about the love of a blinded militiaman and a prostitute and Cain! (1938) about the oppression of the clergy.

And there were numerous documentaries made by the C.N.T-F.A.I, U.G.T. and P.E.C. as well as other groups on various aspects of the war and revolution.

Some contemporary pro-anarchist documentaries made by non-Spaniards were A Call to Arms (1937), Crime Against Madrid (1937), and Fury Over Spain (1937) directed by Louis Frank and made with the cooperation of Emma Goldman. The best known documentary of the era was The Spanish Earth (1938) directed by the Dutch fellow traveler Joris Ivans and narrated by Ernest Hemingway.

And that's just a sample.

[neilhere]

Ken Loach is an absolutely brilliant director. Any one who likes him should check out his films Sweet Sixteen and The Wind That Shakes The Barley!

[brigadista]

Ay carmela is pretty good

carlos saura

[coda]

love that film. I think it was perfect, notwithstanding the "whore" part.

[PRC-UTE]

Yeah, I agree, Land and Freedom is a fine film, not stunningly spectacular like The Wind that Shakes the Barley.

I think the major difference is the superb acting in the later.

Does anyone know other films based during the Spanish Civil War, besides Pan's Labyrinth?

the same director of Pan's Labyrinth made another film taking place during the SCW called The Devil's Backbone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Backbone)

[Coggeh]

Im go-in te spaaaa-ne to fight with de international brigaaaades(scouser accent)

[pastradamus]

The USSR gave material aid yes, but also attacked the anarchists/revolutionaries.


The USSR never attacked the Anarchists in Spain.

[pastradamus]

the same director of Pan's Labyrinth made another film taking place during the SCW called The Devil's Backbone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Backbone)

Thats a good show. Its kind of a horror but a great story nevertheless. Fantastic stuff.

[Pogue]

The USSR never attacked the Anarchists in Spain.

The Spanish CP was controlled by Moscow and it attacked the anarchists. Its what Stalin wanted.

[x359594]

The Spanish CP was controlled by Moscow and it attacked the anarchists. Its what Stalin wanted.

In addition, there were Soviet advisers in Spain, including Red Army advisers like Gen. Berzin and NKVD agents functioning as commissars in the various columns of the Popular Army. These commissars singled out anarchist militants for liquidation. See Burnett Bolloten's The Spanish Revolution for background.

[pastradamus]

The Spanish CP was controlled by Moscow and it attacked the anarchists. Its what Stalin wanted.

True to say that indeed. However, Stalin made every effort possible to not show his hand in the Barcelona Days. No Soviet troops were present in it. It was just sneakyness on his part really. You'll have to excuse me for my misunderstanding of what was said. After all the bastards murdered Andreu Nin.

[pastradamus]

In addition, there were Soviet advisers in Spain, including Red Army advisers like Gen. Berzin and NKVD agents functioning as commissars in the various columns of the Popular Army. These commissars singled out anarchist militants for liquidation. See Burnett Bolloten's The Spanish Revolution for background.

Berzin was especially effective at this. Rather than attacking a column militarily he singled out a group of anarchists and simply asked them to lay down their arms, putting them under extreme pressure and forcing them to resign. Though sparing their lives for the most part.

[Pawn Power]

the same director of Pan's Labyrinth made another film taking place during the SCW called The Devil's Backbone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Backbone)

Yes, I saw it. An amazing piece of cinema.

[Incendiarism]

Butterfly is a great movie.