Neo-Nazis walking down Hollywood.

[R_P_A_S]

Last weekend I was pulling out of a parking lot and as I drove past this Army Surplus store I couldn't believe my eyes. In broad daylight in a urban neighborhood of Hollywood where the majority of people are latino, asian and black. Out of the store comes out two guys. One had a mohawk style of haircut and a t-shirt with a swastika, his buddy had a smaller mohawk style of haircut and was wearing and "SS" t-shirt with two swastika arm bands, just like the Nazi government peoples wore. I was shocked... my heart dropped to my stomach in disgust and anger.. or just confusion. I just reacted, rolled down my window and yelled out, "hey fuck you you scum bags" they looked over at me and did their nazi salute, laughing at me shouting. "white power!" The people waiting for the bus looked at them and then looked away. I froze I ponder getting out my car, so I reached for a water bottle on my passenger seat and threw it at them, i turned around on the next street looking for them and I couldn't find the. I have no damn clue what I was planning on doing or what would had happened. I can't explained it, I just reacted. Today, AGAIN! I was around the same neighborhood and I saw one of them this time he had a coat on but you call still see his fucking swastika, He's walking around this neighborhoods that are filled with working people of latino and black origin and he's not afraid or no one obviously cares. I'm confused. One of my friends told me that they were either A) tourist, or B) actors...

Should I just give this a rest? I'm considering going back and just looking around, maybe there's a neo nazi ring forming? Or should I just not worry about it?

[StalinFanboy]

Get some friends and some blunt objects and go hang out with them for a little bit. Maybe behind a department store or an empty parking garage.

[R_P_A_S]

Get some friends and some blunt objects and go hang out with them for a little bit. Maybe behind a department store or an empty parking garage.

Im shocked that they are doing this. This neighborhood has .001% white people. How come no one is confronting this assholes?

[h0m0revolutionary]

Last weekend I was pulling out of a parking lot and as I drove past this Army Surplus store I couldn't believe my eyes. In broad daylight in a urban neighborhood of Hollywood where the majority of people are latino, asian and black. Out of the store comes out two guys. One had a mohawk style of haircut and a t-shirt with a swastika, his buddy had a smaller mohawk style of haircut and was wearing and "SS" t-shirt with two swastika arm bands, just like the Nazi government peoples wore. I was shocked... my heart dropped to my stomach in disgust and anger.. or just confusion. I just reacted, rolled down my window and yelled out, "hey fuck you you scum bags" they looked over at me and did their nazi salute, laughing at me shouting. "white power!" The people waiting for the bus looked at them and then looked away. I froze I ponder getting out my car, so I reached for a water bottle on my passenger seat and threw it at them, i turned around on the next street looking for them and I couldn't find the. I have no damn clue what I was planning on doing or what would had happened. I can't explained it, I just reacted. Today, AGAIN! I was around the same neighborhood and I saw one of them this time he had a coat on but you call still see his fucking swastika, He's walking around this neighborhoods that are filled with working people of latino and black origin and he's not afraid or no one obviously cares. I'm confused. One of my friends told me that they were either A) tourist, or B) actors...

Should I just give this a rest? I'm considering going back and just looking around, maybe there's a neo nazi ring forming? Or should I just not worry about it?


I don't know how serious the other comrade was, but I understand your frustation absolutly, they have no right to be spreading their filth in an area that clearly consists overwhelmingly of people who will feel intimidated by them and no doubt be on the recieveing end of their hate.

If you can comrade I would absolutly get a few friends together and make it known that they're not welcome. Hopefully they'll pissoff somehwere else and they'll recieve the same treatment there to. We don't have to put up with them ruining our communities!

[R_P_A_S]

yeah. and then most of the people in this neighborhood are immigrants and pretty humble and well, easily intimidated. since they don't like to draw attention to them selves because they are afraid of getting deported and such.

[dez]

Tried venturing inside the army surplus store and randomly diving at the issue with any clerk?

[R_P_A_S]

Tried venturing inside the army surplus store and randomly diving at the issue with any clerk?

you know what? that's a good idea.. I should ask him whats the deal with those guys. He obviously doesn't have a problem selling to them. wearing such provocative and insulting shirts.

[dez]

Could be dangerous (in case you meet them / clerk profiles you), but worth the risk.

[R_P_A_S]

I know the clerk, he's a latino guy.. shit he even sells Che t-shirts in there.

[communard resolution]

First off, respect for shouting abuse at the guys and throwing a bottle at them.

But:


you know what? that's a good idea.. I should ask him whats the deal with those guys. He obviously doesn't have a problem selling to them. wearing such provocative and insulting shirts.

By doing so, you would be transferring responsibility and potential consequences from yourself to the shop vendor, who doesn't seem to mind them as much as you do, and who is more vulnerable because they know where to find him anytime.

If the Nazis (quite rightly) bother you, it's only fair that you and your friends to do something about it.

[Pogue]

Get some friends, contacts, in Antifa, etc. Don't talk about actions on the forum, perhaps keep this to PMs or emails with your local anti-fascist group or whatever.

[An archist]

First, I would try to find out as much as possible about them:
Are they organised in any group?
Are they doing any political activities?
Do they intimidate people?
Are they violent?

If they're not really doing anything, then I wouldn't put too much effort in them.
However, if they're part of a group, it's a different issue and you should confront them.

[NecroCommie]

You should have shouted: "Stalingrad folks! Stalingrad!"

[Pogue]

Look no matter how good the advice of others here is, don't go anything until you're prepared and have people on your side. If you want to do something, don't discuss it here but with trusted antifa folks.

[benhur]

If you want to do something, plan first before doing it. Please don't act on impulse, you'll only end up hurting yourself and those around you. Understanding the strengths and weaknesses of the enemy is important. If they're too powerful, then you as an individual would do well NOT to act at all. If they're too insignificant, then why give them the attention to begin with? Ignore them, and they'll go away.

[Dr Mindbender]

Last weekend I was pulling out of a parking lot and as I drove past this Army Surplus store I couldn't believe my eyes. In broad daylight in a urban neighborhood of Hollywood where the majority of people are latino, asian and black. Out of the store comes out two guys. One had a mohawk style of haircut and a t-shirt with a swastika, his buddy had a smaller mohawk style of haircut and was wearing and "SS" t-shirt with two swastika arm bands, just like the Nazi government peoples wore. I was shocked... my heart dropped to my stomach in disgust and anger.. or just confusion. I just reacted, rolled down my window and yelled out, "hey fuck you you scum bags" they looked over at me and did their nazi salute, laughing at me shouting. "white power!" The people waiting for the bus looked at them and then looked away. I froze I ponder getting out my car, so I reached for a water bottle on my passenger seat and threw it at them, i turned around on the next street looking for them and I couldn't find the. I have no damn clue what I was planning on doing or what would had happened. I can't explained it, I just reacted. Today, AGAIN! I was around the same neighborhood and I saw one of them this time he had a coat on but you call still see his fucking swastika, He's walking around this neighborhoods that are filled with working people of latino and black origin and he's not afraid or no one obviously cares. I'm confused. One of my friends told me that they were either A) tourist, or B) actors...

Should I just give this a rest? I'm considering going back and just looking around, maybe there's a neo nazi ring forming? Or should I just not worry about it?

First of all, don't get into fisticuffs with them unless know how to fight. Secondly, nazis have a tendency to put up stickers, racist graffiti, flyposting etc so whenever they're not around just make sure you have a marker pen and plenty of antifa stickers to cover their shit up.

Apart from that, just get together a load of friends and people who may be angered, organise and bring them over to their meet next time they try to organise.

[Dimentio]

Last weekend I was pulling out of a parking lot and as I drove past this Army Surplus store I couldn't believe my eyes. In broad daylight in a urban neighborhood of Hollywood where the majority of people are latino, asian and black. Out of the store comes out two guys. One had a mohawk style of haircut and a t-shirt with a swastika, his buddy had a smaller mohawk style of haircut and was wearing and "SS" t-shirt with two swastika arm bands, just like the Nazi government peoples wore. I was shocked... my heart dropped to my stomach in disgust and anger.. or just confusion. I just reacted, rolled down my window and yelled out, "hey fuck you you scum bags" they looked over at me and did their nazi salute, laughing at me shouting. "white power!" The people waiting for the bus looked at them and then looked away. I froze I ponder getting out my car, so I reached for a water bottle on my passenger seat and threw it at them, i turned around on the next street looking for them and I couldn't find the. I have no damn clue what I was planning on doing or what would had happened. I can't explained it, I just reacted. Today, AGAIN! I was around the same neighborhood and I saw one of them this time he had a coat on but you call still see his fucking swastika, He's walking around this neighborhoods that are filled with working people of latino and black origin and he's not afraid or no one obviously cares. I'm confused. One of my friends told me that they were either A) tourist, or B) actors...

Should I just give this a rest? I'm considering going back and just looking around, maybe there's a neo nazi ring forming? Or should I just not worry about it?

How tasteless of them :(

[Arise!]

Don't act on it until you know for sure they're Nazis, cause it sounds to me like they could just be some punks out trying to shock people.

[lylt]

If they're wearing nazi t-shirts in a latino/black majority area, then they're obviously not too smart :P That, or they're batshit insane.

Either way, it sounds to me like they're seeking attention, rather than engaging in any serious political activity (The reaction they gave to you shouting at them seems to support this).
If they do try to spread their fascist lies, however, it is your duty as a self-respecting left-winger to fight them at every turn, try printing off a leaflet claiming they're sex offenders and send it to everyone who lives near them.

[Pogue]

If they're wearing nazi t-shirts in a latino/black majority area, then they're obviously not too smart :P That, or they're batshit insane.

Either way, it sounds to me like they're seeking attention, rather than engaging in any serious political activity (The reaction they gave to you shouting at them seems to support this).
If they do try to spread their fascist lies, however, it is your duty as a self-respecting left-winger to fight them at every turn, try printing off a leaflet claiming they're sex offenders and send it to everyone who lives near them.

lmao

Seriously OP just join a group, network, get something going, but don't do *anything* alone.

[R_P_A_S]

I did act on impulse. I don't think what I did was of any help to me or contribute to "putting them in their place". The purpose of this thread was not to "plan an attack." I'm just wondering what's the best approach when you see such situation come up.

[The Idler]

Maybe you should have asked them why they were wearing the swastika before you attacked them.

[dez]

By doing so, you would be transferring responsibility and potential consequences from yourself to the shop vendor, who doesn't seem to mind them as much as you do, and who is more vulnerable because they know where to find him anytime.

If the Nazis (quite rightly) bother you, it's only fair that you and your friends to do something about it.

When dealing with nazis one cannot afford to be an individualist. If they are nazis, engaged in any sort of political activity/promotion of the ideology, it is on the best interest of everyone to be aware and repeal them (at least ideologically).
Considering that the clerk is a latino, and he would be shot if those nazis were empowered, it is on his best interest to inform the community as much as possible about the said nazis and their activities.

[R_P_A_S]

Maybe you should have asked them why they were wearing the swastika before you attacked them.

wow, I honestly can't see my self walking up to someone wearing nazi logos and asking them that. Like I said, I saw it and i reacted, no time to think.

[The Idler]

wow, I honestly can't see my self walking up to someone wearing nazi logos and asking them that. Like I said, I saw it and i reacted, no time to think.
Well in your original post you said one of your friends said they might have been actors.

[dez]

Well in your original post you said one of your friends said they might have been actors.

His friends were probably in denial.
The probability of them to be wearing nazi clothing in two different meetings in two different times is quite small.
Also the nazi salute and white power.
Actors would probably try to hide that kind of thing out the street.

[communard resolution]

When dealing with nazis one cannot afford to be an individualist. If they are nazis, engaged in any sort of political activity/promotion of the ideology, it is on the best interest of everyone to be aware and repeal them (at least ideologically).

What I meant is that it wouldn't be right to expect the shop vendor to do something about it. The Nazis know where to find him, and the original poster is not going to be around to help if they come back.



Considering that the clerk is a latino, and he would be shot if those nazis were empowered, it is on his best interest to inform the community as much as possible about the said nazis and their activities.Actually, the Nazi Low Riders - probably the biggest CA nazi gang - have decided to accept latinos in their ranks a few years back. It seems like an opportunistic move based on the fact that there's more latinos in CA than the nazis could possibly cope with.

There's a chance the shop vendor couldn't care less.

[communard resolution]

Don't act on it until you know for sure they're Nazis, cause it sounds to me like they could just be some punks out trying to shock people.

Nazi punks are not unknown in CA. The first LA hardcore punk generation was more about being a slam-dancing, fist-fighting, drunk, tough guy asshole rather than anything remotely 'socially aware'. A lot of those people went the white power route later.

[Dimentio]

I mean, the combination of t-shirts and arm-bindles is simply gross :S

I saw two nazis in 2007. They stood at the central plaza and looked bored.

http://www.expo.se/www/img/1_1541.jpg

They wore uniforms like these. I bet they were 14 or 15 years old.

[Melbourne Lefty]

If they're wearing nazi t-shirts in a latino/black majority area, then they're obviously not too smart :P That, or they're batshit insane.


Yeah if they are walking around a minority area wearing that sort of gear, to be honest I would be wary of trying to fight them.

a] they could be expecting trouble and be tooled up. Or

b] they could just be batshit insane, not political at all just fucking nuts, you really dont want to fight someone like that.


Actually, the Nazi Low Riders - probably the biggest CA nazi gang - have decided to accept latinos in their ranks a few years back. It seems like an opportunistic move based on the fact that there's more latinos in CA than the nazis could possibly cope with.

Wow seriously?

Thats as weird as fuck. Do they actually have many latino members? do they only accept "whiter" latinos?

[Armand Iskra]

You should have shouted: "Stalingrad folks! Stalingrad!"

Perhaps better shout this:
"Rot Front you white scum!"

[StalinFanboy]

What I meant is that it wouldn't be right to expect the shop vendor to do something about it. The Nazis know where to find him, and the original poster is not going to be around to help if they come back.

Actually, the Nazi Low Riders - probably the biggest CA nazi gang - have decided to accept latinos in their ranks a few years back. It seems like an opportunistic move based on the fact that there's more latinos in CA than the nazis could possibly cope with.

There's a chance the shop vendor couldn't care less.
In prison, the AB is allied with the Surenos (spelling?), which are a huge gang from SoCal. Over the summer a prison nazi fucked with me and some friends, and he had a latino guy with him.

[Sean]

Don't act on it until you know for sure they're Nazis, cause it sounds to me like they could just be some punks out trying to shock people.This.

Actually, the Nazi Low Riders - probably the biggest CA nazi gang - have decided to accept latinos in their ranks a few years back. It seems like an opportunistic move based on the fact that there's more latinos in CA than the nazis could possibly cope with. This reminds me of a few years ago, when neonazis and loyalists would fly the Star of David from their windows. Appearantly it was because the Republicans supported Palestine.

There's a chance the shop vendor couldn't care less.
More than a chance, there's the possibility that they bought half their gear there in the first place. Nazi fetishists and army surplus go hand in hard, after all.

[Holden Caulfield]

Don't go up and talk to them because A) that would make you insane and they wouldnt listen anyway, and B) you would achieve nothing/get your head kicked in.

tbh in that situation shouting abuse is probably the only sensible thing that you could do, make it loud, make sure you can drive off if they come at you, and make it clear how to feel. You never know, what you shout could reach a receptive ear, empower others to join in, or at least let them know they are ****s.

[communard resolution]

Thats as weird as fuck. Do they actually have many latino members? do they only accept "whiter" latinos?

See, I'm not sure about that, but I seem to remember they had an "at least 49% white genes" policy - or something. Who cares what those numbskulls dream up really?

Neo-nazi jailbird gangs pretty much control the crystal meth trade in CA, by the way - perhaps in honour of their deceased Fuhrer (http://www.amphetamines.com/adolf-hitler.html).

[MilitantAnarchist]

First make sure they are proper nazis n not just wearong swastica t-shirts to be offensive.... once youve cleared that they are nazis, get as many people together and batter the fuck out of em.
There should be no tolerance towards nazis, with no exceptions...

[Communist Theory]

Read the wisdom of the poster below me!

[nuisance]

Start parading around in Soviet uniform.
Do not spam with such inane shit.

[Melbourne Lefty]

This reminds me of a few years ago, when neonazis and loyalists would fly the Star of David from their windows. Appearantly it was because the Republicans supported Palestine.


Loyalists do, neo-nazis never would.

Neo-nazis would never, ever, ever fly a star of david flag, they would fly a palistinian one even though they hate muslims, but NEVER a jewish flag.

The main difference between ordinary sectarians or racists and neo-nazis is that the latter believe jews control the world and are to blame for every bad thing that has ever happened.

People who are sectarian or racist are simply wrong, they have got the wrong end of the stick and with any luck could even be converted out of it.

People who are nazis have a worldview so damn twisted they may never get out of anything, they dont even see the same reality as us.

Thats why I am hesitant to call groups like the BNP nazis. They may draw from fascist thought [and thus be neo or post-fascists] but unless they share the complete hatred of jews and the conspiracy beliefs that go with them they cannot be nazis.

[Holden Caulfield]

Loyalists do, neo-nazis never would.

Neo-nazis would never, ever, ever fly a star of david flag, they would fly a palistinian one even though they hate muslims, but NEVER a jewish flag.

The main difference between ordinary sectarians or racists and neo-nazis is that the latter believe jews control the world and are to blame for every bad thing that has ever happened.

People who are sectarian or racist are simply wrong, they have got the wrong end of the stick and with any luck could even be converted out of it.

People who are nazis have a worldview so damn twisted they may never get out of anything, they dont even see the same reality as us.

Thats why I am hesitant to call groups like the BNP nazis. They may draw from fascist thought [and thus be neo or post-fascists] but unless they share the complete hatred of jews and the conspiracy beliefs that go with them they cannot be nazis.

If Nazis were around today they would be blaming Muslims and not Jews for the ills of the world, if I need to explain why they would be doing this (again) I gladly will do that, (ill give a summary out of the kindness of my heart anyhoo). However you are right people who are Nazis today, as in Hitler worshipping nutters, do blame everything on the Jews because they are stupid.

Your modern day fascist (we often do say nazis to generalise but i will refrain) is much smarter, they will blame the social group the public has most prejudices about (Hispanics, Blacks, Jews, Muslims, Irish, it doesnt really matter who they pick) and will play on this fear to get the working class to align themselves with the rich whites instead of their class comrades of a different ethnicity. Then the white working class will defend the state with vigor thinking it serves their interests, where really it serves the interests of the state (allowing them to tighten the reins removing civil liberties, start imperialist wars for oil, and keep the revolutionary classes divided and weak).

They will support anti-imperialism, support Palestine (because mass ethnic immigration ruined their country so they say) they will say the Brits had no rights in Africa (by the same logic Africans have no right to be in Britain), etc etc etc.

Message of this Post:
Modern Day Nazis/Nutzis = Mentalists, the modern day equivilant of people in 1933 calling for the re-establishment of the Holy Roman Empire or summit similarly stupid

Modern Day Fascist Parties = Are a coorperatist, class collaborationist party in the same trend* as the NSDAP.

*i.e The Tories of the times gone by supported removing the working class right to vote, although the modern Tory party would never do such a thing they still act in the best interets of the Capitalist Class, and so are in the conservative capitalist trend even though they are massively different in their policy

[Melbourne Lefty]

Modern Day Nazis/Nutzis = Mentalists, the modern day equivilant of people in 1933 calling for the re-establishment of the Holy Roman Empire or summit similarly stupid

Modern Day Fascist Parties = Are a coorperatist, class collaborationist party in the same trend* as the NSDAP.


I agree, but then again it depends on how you define "trend".

Thatcher in her anti-working class policies was arguably in the same "trend" as the NSDAP on many issues, both were anti-working class, both were in the anti working class "trend".

Expanding who and who isnt a nazi to a matter of "trends" is the slippery slope that leads to "social fascist" being screamed at well meaning liberals.

After all since liberals are not explicitly pro working class, they can be seen to be a part of the problem, therefore part of the "trend" of being anti-working class, and as everyone knows the NSDAP were also a part of that "Trend".

You see what im getting at?

[Hoxhaist]

Stand up to fascism!! What is the name of the specific group of Nazis

[Holden Caulfield]

I agree, but then again it depends on how you define "trend".

Thatcher in her anti-working class policies was arguably in the same "trend" as the NSDAP on many issues, both were anti-working class, both were in the anti working class "trend".

Expanding who and who isnt a nazi to a matter of "trends" is the slippery slope that leads to "social fascist" being screamed at well meaning liberals.

After all since liberals are not explicitly pro working class, they can be seen to be a part of the problem, therefore part of the "trend" of being anti-working class, and as everyone knows the NSDAP were also a part of that "Trend".

You see what im getting at?

I do but i think your wrong.

Thatcher is from the 'conservative' capitalist trend,
the likes of the BNP are from the Class Collaborationist/fascistic trend,
Labour; (although they are fucked now) the social democratic trend,

one could say they are all ultimately anti-working class (using different means to keep us down) but they are different.

as a full on Trotsky fan boy I don't think I, or anybody who thinks like me, will be caught screaming 'social fascist', ever.

[JerseyDevil]

Yeah, I hate Nazis, but I think I'd rather they shouted their bullshit in a minority neighborhood where they have a possibility of getting an ass kicking than in a white, suburban area where they might go unchallenged.

[Melbourne Lefty]

as a full on Trotsky fan boy I don't think I, or anybody who thinks like me, will be caught screaming 'social fascist', ever.


hahaha!

Yeah I dont think I will see you doing that any time soon!

[Pia Fidelis]

Don't act on it until you know for sure they're Nazis, cause it sounds to me like they could just be some punks out trying to shock people.

I am with this guy. If they are serious, dedicated National Socialists, I doubt they would be parading around as you mentioned. Honestly, I think board members here are over reacting. Two (from what I gather) teenagers in provocative shirts is far from some sort of revolution.

[Hoxhaist]

be careful, they are probably looking to be provoked so they can beat someone up and say they were provoked

[Code]

These f*cking scum should be taut a lesson!
I say go PETA on their asses and dumb a bucket of blood on 'em!

[Code]

You could also dress as a Rabi & start trying to just "hangin out" with them

[Holden Caulfield]

dont get angry.
get organized