Hello All

[JFMLenin]

Hey everyone, I'm new to the RevLeft scene (obviously) and I'm very interested in what other people may have to say about all different kinds of Leftist movements throughout history and the world today. I'm a very recent arrival to the Leftist scene, in the past few months actually. It wasn't until probably the new year when I began to re-evaluate everything I thought about the world. In the past few months I've gone from moderately conservative WASP to what I would describe as an Islamic Marxist-Leninist. I look forward to talking with all of you about all sorts of different things, and, if you have any questions about my beliefs, political or religious, or anything else, feel free to PM me.

See you around,
-JFMLenin

[LOLseph Stalin]

Welcome. :)

May I ask what attracted you to Islam? It's sad that so many people in the west have misconceptions about it.

[JFMLenin]

May I ask what attracted you to Islam? It's sad that so many people in the west have misconceptions about it.I agree, it is very sad how so many people have views of not only Islam, but other religions and ideologies that are so blatantly inaccurate.

Anyway, I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian family, but I always felt out of place there somehow, especially when it came to the blatant intolerance of some of my extended family members, it made me very uncomfortable sometimes. I've always been interested in religion not only for personal exploration, but it is also necessary to understand religion if you are to understand the world. The politics of a nation stem from its culture, and the culture of a nation stems from its religious association and history (in many cases, but not all). So, in my quest for greater understanding of world religion, I though it a good idea to read at least part of the three major holy books, the Bible (which I had already been exposed to for over 16 years), the Torah, and the Qur'an. Of the three, the Qur'an spoke to me the most. The Oneness of God and the inclusion of peoples that it preeched rather than the Holy Trinity and the exclusion of peoples that the Bible preeched made so much more sense. I never doubted the existence of God, but Islam puts it into a new light for me which opens up the world.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Interesting. From my understanding, many of the Muslims don't practice their religion as originally preached. Am I correct?

[Brother No. 1]

Welcome comrade.

[JFMLenin]

Interesting. From my understanding, many of the Muslims don't practice their religion as originally preached. Am I correct?
Well, I cannot speak for all Muslims in the world, but I believe there is a growing number of what would be known as "progressive" Muslims and Muslim states alike, yes.

[Brother No. 1]

So basicly your a National Communist? Note: National Communists are ones who are like Christain Communists but follow Islam.

[LOLseph Stalin]

So basicly your a National Communist? Note: National Communists are ones who are like Christain Communists but follow Islam.

Wait, how is he "nationalistic" for following Islam?

[Brother No. 1]

National Communism, is an islamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic) form of communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism) with a strong nationalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist) element. It was an ideology which developed in the Muslim areas of the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union), but only gained limited political power. It is distinct from Socialism in one country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_one_country) and National Bolshevism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism).
Muslim National Communism historically existed from around 1918 to 1928.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_communism#cite_note-0). This was a synthesis of various contradictory ideologies including nationalism, communism and anarchism as well as religion, with people coming together from both left and right wing groups which predated the Revolution, joining the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union) (Russian Bolshevik Communist Party) between 1917 and 1920 - some of whom were Narkomnats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narkomnats), under the People's Commissar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Commissar) Josef Stalin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Stalin).
The Bolsheviks - particularly Lenin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin) and Stalin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin) hoped to use them as "schools of Marxism" spreading their doctrine in a part of Russia in which they did not have much influence - in particular the East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East). This strategy backfired as instead they became centres Islamic nationalism, although it was used by the USSR right up until the 1970s in particular in spearheading the invasion of Afghanistan.
Open conflict between prominment theorists such as Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirs%C3%A4yet_Soltan%C4%9F%C3%A4liev) and Lenin and Stalin broke out in 1919 at the Second Congress of Communist Organisations of Peoples of the East (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Congress_of_Communist_Organ isations_of_Peoples_of_the_East&action=edit&redlink=1) over the autonomy of the Muslim Communist Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Communist_Party&action=edit&redlink=1) as well as at the Congress of the Peoples of the East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_of_the_Peoples_of_the_East) and the First Conference of the Turkic Peoples' Communists of the RSFSR (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_Conference_of_the_Turkic_Peo ples%27_Communists_of_the_RSFSR&action=edit&redlink=1) and significantly at the 10th Congress of the Russian Communist Party (b) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_Congress_of_the_Russian_Communist_Party_(b)) (April 1921). The crisis resulted in the purge of the Communist Party of Turkestan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Turkestan) in December 1922 and the arrest of Sultan Glaiev in 1923.
During this time however theorists such as Sultan Galiev, Turar Ryskulov, Nariman Narimanov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nariman_Narimanov) and Ahmed Baytursan were very influential especially through the Communist University of the Toilers of the East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_University_of_the_Toilers_of_the_East) which opened in 1921 and was very active until its staff was purged in 1924. Communists from outside the Soviets such as Manabendra Nath Roy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manabendra_Nath_Roy), Henk Sneevliet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henk_Sneevliet) and Sultan Zade (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sultan_Zade&action=edit&redlink=1) also taught there, formulating similar political positions. Students pof the university included Sen Katayama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sen_Katayama), Tan Malaka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tan_Malaka), Liu Shao-Chi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liu_Shao-Chi&action=edit&redlink=1) and Ho Chi Minh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh).
The great purge in the Muslim republics began in 1928 with executions of Veli Ibrahimov (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veli_Ibrahimov&action=edit&redlink=1) of the Tatar Communist Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tatar_Communist_Party&action=edit&redlink=1) and Milli Firka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Firka) followed by the leaders of Hummet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummet), Tatar Communist Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tatar_Communist_Party&action=edit&redlink=1) and even the Tatar Union of the Godless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatar_Union_of_the_Godless). It also happened in Azerbyjan, Kazakhstan and the Young Bukharians.


But from what he said before, I over looked it, he is not a National communist...thought I dont even know why there are National Communists.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Just because he's Islamic it doesn't neccessary mean he follows that branch of Communism.

[Brother No. 1]

Am I saying that or are you asuming that?

[JFMLenin]

This was a synthesis of various contradictory ideologies including nationalism, communism and anarchism as well as religion

Communist? Yes. Religious? Yes. Nationalistic and anarchist? No. So, no, from what I understand, I am not a National Communist.

[Brother No. 1]

Sorry for the miscomsebtion comrade.

[JFMLenin]

Sorry for the miscomsebtion comrade.
No problem, it's cool, comrade.

[Brother No. 1]

Good to hear.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Communist? Yes. Religious? Yes. Nationalistic and anarchist? No. So, no, from what I understand, I am not a National Communist.

So you're Marxist-Leninist? :confused:

[Brother No. 1]

So you're Marxist-Leninist?

If hes Marxist-Leninist, or Anti-Revisionist in my terms, then he accpets Socialism in one country and Stalin's rule of the CCCP and the Revisionism that brought it's end. If hes the Marxist-Leninist not related to Anti-Revisionism then he basicly follows the ways of Marx-Engles-Lenin.

[LOLseph Stalin]

If hes Marxist-Leninist, or Anti-Revisionist in my terms, then he accpets Socialism in one country and Stalin's rule of the CCCP and the Revisionism that brought it's end. If hes the Marxist-Leninist not related to Anti-Revisionism then he basicly follows the ways of Marx-Engles-Lenin.

I know that. I'm Marxist-Leninist, but not in the Anti-Revisionist sense.

[Brother No. 1]

[quote]I know that. I'm Marxist-Leninist, but not in the Anti-Revisionist sense.[quote]

Yes you follow MELT, Marx-Engles-Lenin-Trosky, and I follow MELSM,Marx-Engles-Lenin-Stalin-Mao, But you know what I feel for you and I respect your Marxism-Leninism-Troskyism.

[JFMLenin]

I'm still kinda getting my bearings in what I truly believe, I mean, political and religious belief is a living thing, always changing and being thought of in new ways, but I would go with the MELT pathway. I do not consider myself to be Stalinist-Maoist at all.

[Q]

If hes Marxist-Leninist, or Anti-Revisionist in my terms, then he accpets Socialism in one country and Stalin's rule of the CCCP and the Revisionism that brought it's end. If hes the Marxist-Leninist not related to Anti-Revisionism then he basicly follows the ways of Marx-Engles-Lenin.

What you're naming out to be Marxism-Leninism is just utter rubbish and has nothing to do with workers democracy, internationalism and revolution.

Anyway, JFMLenin: welcome to the boards :)

[Rjevan]

Hi, welcome and cool ava! :)

[JFMLenin]

Anyway, JFMLenin: welcome to the boards :)

Thanks.


Hi, welcome and cool ava! :)

Thanks to you too. As for my avatar, it's supposed to be a symbol of the Socialist Party of Iran, I believe.

[Killfacer]

WELCOME!!!!!

(i expect a thank you)

[JFMLenin]

WELCOME!!!!!

(i expect a thank you)
Umm...thanks, I guess? Looking forward to conversing with all of you about leftism, its ideals, and what it can do for the world.