Bin Laden

[Jorge Miguel]

Is Bin Laden a freedom fighter?

[Jorge Miguel]

http://www.longwarjournal.org/images/osama-bin-laden-1998-thumb.jpg

[WorkinClassHero]

Of course he was, he fights for his people and his homeland from foreign oppressors.

Allah Aukbar

[Soldier of life]

Definately

[swirling_vortex]

Committing acts of terrorism against innocent people is not what I would call a freedom fighter. Of course, he wouldn't even be an issue if the US didn't give him weapons in the first place.

Personally, I think he's dead because of his problems with kidney stones and a possible need to be hooked up to a dialysis machine. Since his kidneys can't function well, he needs to consume large amounts of water. Unless they found a fountain of youth or a source of running water with the ability to make medicine up in the Pakistani mountains, I doubt he survived after he got routed out of Afghanistan.

[Pirate Utopian]

Ofcourse he is!, he wants to liberate women from making their own choices, people in general from a society where homosexuals and other such heretics arent stoned.
All while killing random people.

Sounds like a freedom fighter to me.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

There should be an option for Hell No

[Jimmie Higgins]

He isn't now and he wasn't when Ronald Regan thought he was either. I don't think national liberation from imperialism is his aim.

He's against secular national liberation, correct? I don't know much about his ideology, so I could be wrong.

[Andropov]

I bet he makes a savage crepe though.

[Soldier of life]

Ofcourse he is!, he wants to liberate women from making their own choices, people in general from a society where homosexuals and other such heretics arent stoned.
All while killing random people.

Sounds like a freedom fighter to me.

I agree he is a freedom fighter for the reasons above. First them der darkies tukka jabbbs nw d wimmins want to? I says fuk dat! Burn yerselves on the stove, up Obama!

[mykittyhasaboner]

Freedom fighters are trained and receive weapons and money from the CIA?


Fucked up definition for freedom fighter isn't it.

[Hiero]

Is Bin Laden significant?

No.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Some people think he is though, I'm waiting to see an explanation from those who voted yes.

[CheFighter777]

Dammm, didn't know there was Right-Wingers on this forum.

[Pirate Utopian]

Some people think he is though, I'm waiting to see an explanation from those who voted yes.
I voted yes out of sarcasm.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Reactionary scum. :p

So i'm guessing 5 people think Osama bin Laden is a pretty decent fellow? Unless they were all joking as well, which is understandable.

[CheFighter777]

From his people's point of view, Bin Ladin is a HERO, and would probably be classified as a saint if they were Catholic!!! :)

So, from that perspective, yes, he is a freedom fighter, probably no different than when Che and Castro went into Cuba to liberate it!

Somebody's got to stand up and fight the world oppressor, USA!!!!

[GracchusBabeuf]

From his people's point of view, Bin Ladin is a HERO, and would probably be classified as a saint if they were Catholic!!! :)

So, from that perspective, yes, he is a freedom fighter, probably no different than when Che and Castro went into Cuba to liberate it!

Somebody's got to stand up and fight the world oppressor, USA!!!!There are various kinds of so-called revolutions: bourgeois, reactionary, military, political revolutions: all are rubbish. They don't change one bit the society and continue state or market capitalism on the working class. As socialists, we want social revolution which only can bring about freedom, not any bullshit that happens in the name of revolution.

[Brother No. 1]

No hes not a freedom fighter. Commiting acts of Terroism to inoccent people cant be accepted a "Freedom fighter" honor. He destroyed the Socialist goverment in afghanistan and created a Pro-heavy Islamic Goverment the wanted and forced the peoples "positive" view. He also killed Soviets burtaly and they were just trying to stabalize the area. Bin laden was one of the richest men in his own country other then the Royal family in Saudi Arabia. How can he be a freedom fighter if he is Beoguise? Even thought I'm happy he fought against the Imperialist US,which gave him the damn weapons, I still dont see him as a hero of any kind.

[WorkinClassHero]

From his people's point of view, Bin Ladin is a HERO, and would probably be classified as a saint if they were Catholic!!! :)

So, from that perspective, yes, he is a freedom fighter, probably no different than when Che and Castro went into Cuba to liberate it!

Somebody's got to stand up and fight the world oppressor, USA!!!!

i 100% agree, i think that because Bin Laden is a muslim, and has been given such a monstrous evil persona, than people will now just dismiss him as some sort of terrorist.

Osama is a freedom fighter and a hero.

[Brother No. 1]

(quote)i 100% agree, i think that because Bin Laden is a muslim, and has been given such a monstrous evil persona, than people will now just dismiss him as some sort of terrorist.

Osama is a freedom fighter and a hero. (Quote)


How is this man a hero? He opressed his own people with a over opressive Islamic regime. He killed hundreds of Soviets and killed innocent Civilains. Only good thing about him is that he battled the US with the weapons they gave him. He is also beoguise. Why? how do you think the resistance in Afghanistan got its moent other then the US? his family is one of the richest other then the Royal Family.

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

IS OSAMA A FREEDOM FIGHTER?NO!!!!But I do have sypathy for him.I have have sypathy for him because he is fighting oppressing powers and him and I have a common enemy but that doesn't make him a freedom fighter.Here are reasons why he is not a freedom fighter.

1.He is anti-communist
2.He doesn't support womens rights.He doesn't even believe in there right to learn
3.He believes the world should be governed by islam and all who don't follow should die

Osama Bin laden is an anti-communist,chauvinist and religous fascist and I don't think those are the traits of a ''freedom fighter''.

[Revy]

Sounds like a troll thread to me. This guy has to be a fake profile.

Asking whether Bin Laden is a freedom fighter? wtf? Just get the hell out of here.

[Vendetta]

i 100% agree, i think that because Bin Laden is a muslim, and has been given such a monstrous evil persona, than people will now just dismiss him as some sort of terrorist.

Osama is a freedom fighter and a hero.

A hero? Why?

[CheFighter777]

Sounds like a troll thread to me. This guy has to be a fake profile.

Asking whether Bin Laden is a freedom fighter? wtf? Just get the hell out of here.

You tell that to the 2 Billion Muslims out there that they are crazy. I gaurantee you that there is more of them, than of you!!!!!

Though he might be against some of the stuff you believe in, for him and his people, he is very much a Freedom Fighter.

Though I don't believe in Islam, I have alot of respect for the way they live their faith. They will lay down their lives for it!!! In other words, they got balls, whether we agree with him or not.

Not even Castro dared to stand up against the USA by himself, yet we got these dirt rag Jihadi's able to take down one of the worlds most important Capitalist buildings.

More power to them!!!!!!!!!!

[Patchd]

i 100% agree, i think that because Bin Laden is a muslim, and has been given such a monstrous evil persona, than people will now just dismiss him as some sort of terrorist.

It's not even that, if we're talking about say, a random person off the street, and they had a negative outlook on Bin Laden, then it's most likely to do with what our governments and media have been reporting on him.

Still, fuck him, no enemy of the working class is a freedom fighter, and fuck religion.

[StalinFanboy]

You don't think much do you? He doesn't want any sort of freedom. There's nothing positive about this man.

[Killfacer]

I don't think he's a freedom fighter. He's a religious fundy who's happy to kill civilians. The idea that anybody on the left should support this vile man is sickening.

[ComradeR]

The man is fighting to establish a fundamentalist state that would set the world back hundreds of years. To those who actually think he's on our side remember he doesn't give a second thought to having leftists rounded up and shot.

Of course he was, he fights for his people and his homeland from foreign oppressors.
He fought against the progressive leftist government in Afghanistan and the Soviets in order to bring about a reactionary fundamentalist state. He was an ally to imperialism.

i 100% agree, i think that because Bin Laden is a muslim, and has been given such a monstrous evil persona, than people will now just dismiss him as some sort of terrorist.

Osama is a freedom fighter and a hero.
One needs only to look at the reality's of Afghanistan and the ideology of Al-Quieda and the Taliban to know that people like bin Laden is an enemy of the left.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

This thread is so shit its not even funny.

[Dimentio]

From his people's point of view, Bin Ladin is a HERO, and would probably be classified as a saint if they were Catholic!!! :)

So, from that perspective, yes, he is a freedom fighter, probably no different than when Che and Castro went into Cuba to liberate it!

Somebody's got to stand up and fight the world oppressor, USA!!!!

I will take a little of my valuable time to respond to this brilliant entry.

Bin Ladin was very popular around the years of 2001-2004, but his popularity started to wane when his fan-boys started bombing and committing acts of terror in the islamic world. Zarqawi's boys in Iraq operated by threatening the sunni communities with violence unless they obliged.

Bin Ladin is about as representative for the opinions in the islamic world as Varg Vikernes is a typical representative of metal music.

Bin Ladin's fan-boys has mostly attacked his fellow muslims. Instead of fighting the Americans, they have fought the Shia, the Sunni, secular Arabs, women, foreign aid workers and weathermills.

The Salafi cult is not a freedom movement, and not an imperialist movement. It is an insane reactionary cult. I am sure that if the guys who joined bin Ladin's jihad had been white Americans or Europeans, they would have been identity christians, black metal odinists or potential school shooters.

I repeat, the Salafi cult around bin Ladin, is an insane right-wing extremist cult.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Revy]

You tell that to the 2 Billion Muslims out there that they are crazy. I gaurantee you that there is more of them, than of you!!!!!

Though he might be against some of the stuff you believe in, for him and his people, he is very much a Freedom Fighter.

Though I don't believe in Islam, I have alot of respect for the way they live their faith. They will lay down their lives for it!!! In other words, they got balls, whether we agree with him or not.

Not even Castro dared to stand up against the USA by himself, yet we got these dirt rag Jihadi's able to take down one of the worlds most important Capitalist buildings.

More power to them!!!!!!!!!!

WTF? Bin Laden =/= Muslims.
Attacking Bin Laden, and those like him, has nothing to do with attacking Islam.

And really, I owe nothing to Islam. I am an atheist.

"Dirt rag Jihadis"? Sounds like something an Islamophobic troll would say. Taking down buildings does nothing positive, and it kills a lot of innocent people.

[Sean]

This should probably be in Learning, because its a pretty remedial question if I'm honest, and the poll results are frankly shocking.

[Dimentio]

You tell that to the 2 Billion Muslims out there that they are crazy. I gaurantee you that there is more of them, than of you!!!!!

Though he might be against some of the stuff you believe in, for him and his people, he is very much a Freedom Fighter.

Though I don't believe in Islam, I have alot of respect for the way they live their faith. They will lay down their lives for it!!! In other words, they got balls, whether we agree with him or not.

Not even Castro dared to stand up against the USA by himself, yet we got these dirt rag Jihadi's able to take down one of the worlds most important Capitalist buildings.

More power to them!!!!!!!!!!

Most muslims do not support bin Ladin. Most muslims hate bin Ladin. Some years ago, he had about 20% support. Nowadays, its more like 2%.

[RedDragon]

Not even Castro dared to stand up against the USA by himself, yet we got these dirt rag Jihadi's able to take down one of the worlds most important Capitalist buildings.

More power to them!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, well done to them for taking down those buildings and killing many innocent people in the process. What an honorable move that was. You can't be serious.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Yes, well done to them for taking down those buildings and killing many innocent people in the process. What an honorable move that was. You can't be serious.

He can't be serious?

[Sam_b]

dirt rag Jihadi's

That is nothing more than islamophobia, and I hope you are given at least a warning point for it.

I would now attack your position, but its so proposterous everyone on this board knows its messed up.

[el_chavista]

A loosely free fighter in his own personal war against the USA.

[Absolut]

No hes not a freedom fighter. Commiting acts of Terroism to inoccent people cant be accepted a "Freedom fighter" honor. He destroyed the Socialist goverment in afghanistan and created a Pro-heavy Islamic Goverment the wanted and forced the peoples "positive" view. He also killed Soviets burtaly and they were just trying to stabalize the area. Bin laden was one of the richest men in his own country other then the Royal family in Saudi Arabia. How can he be a freedom fighter if he is Beoguise? Even thought I'm happy he fought against the Imperialist US,which gave him the damn weapons, I still dont see him as a hero of any kind.

Being born into a bourgoise family has nothing to do with wether or not youre a freedom fighter. There are plenty of revolutionaries and freedom fighters that has been from the bourgoisie, and I dont really think I have to give examples.

Either way, I voted no.

[ZeroNowhere]

That is nothing more than islamophobia, and I hope you are given at least a warning point for it.
I read it as him trying to imply that people who don't like Osama are Islamophobic or... Something. At least, I didn't read it as Islamophobic, more like, "They blew up a capitalist building (whatever that is), show some respect!" That has its issues (and that's an understatement), but I wouldn't call it Islamophobic. Though I'm not entirely sure how it was meant.

[Dimentio]

A loosely free fighter in his own personal war against the USA.

You mean "against all muslims who don't share his f*cked up interpretation"?

[Rjevan]

Ofcourse he is!, he wants to liberate women from making their own choices, people in general from a society where homosexuals and other such heretics arent stoned.
All while killing random people.

Sounds like a freedom fighter to me.
That sums it up pretty much so I guess I'll leave the sarcasm and irony away and just say: Bin Laden is a mad fanatic and a big reactionary who fights for things which couldn't have less to do with freedom. So he's definitely not a freedom fighter, he's a opression fighter.

[Arise!]

If fire-fighters fight fire, what do freedom-fighters fight? If you use the word in this sense, then yes, Osama is a freedom-fighter. I guess Reagan is a hero too, with that logic.

[ZeroNowhere]

If fire-fighters fight fire, what do freedom-fighters fight?
Heh, bloody commies even steal jokes! :cursing:

[Arise!]

Heh, bloody commies even steal jokes! :laugh:
Don't think of it as stealing, think of it as me refrencing George Carlin.;)

[Antioch]

He's not exactly a freedom fighter. While I admire his anti-imperialist stances (he fought against a revisionist USSR, and now he fights against the United States), his opinions on religion, women, and homosexuality (among other things) are against basically everything socialism stands for. He uses terrorism, an ineffective weapon that only ostracizes the masses from the real struggle, turning them against the revolution and towards America.

[pastradamus]

I seriously cannot believe that right now we have 6 people who voted 'yes'. Its not only the 'yes' vote that catches my my but also the fact that these people have the audacity to describe themselves as leftists - with one idiot shouting out "Allah Aukbar".

Bin Laden is reactionary scum who plays on the minds of young Muslims by brainwashing them into his sadistic society. This is a rich, son of the billionaire Bin Laden family going to a foreign country and terrorizing the lives of Working class people for the sake of his interpretations of the Koran.

He is an enemy of the working class. Does not care for workers welfare. Is Homophobic. Is Sexist. Is a religious fanatic. All elements not welcome in a revolutionary context. He is also a scapegoat for Imperialist America.

[NecroCommie]

Bin Laden has the biggest bayonet. The west attacks him because they are jealous of his bayonet, and mad about the fact that Bin Ladens bayonet propably has been inside their girlfriends. All his victims were like: "Your bayonet hurts, but in a good way!" I have proof of this all. Bin Laden is written with B, which is pronounced almost like P. P on the other hand stands for phallic.

There you go. All one needs to know about Bin Laden.
Allah has the biggest!!!

[Dimentio]

He's not exactly a freedom fighter. While I admire his anti-imperialist stances (he fought against a revisionist USSR, and now he fights against the United States), his opinions on religion, women, and homosexuality (among other things) are against basically everything socialism stands for. He uses terrorism, an ineffective weapon that only ostracizes the masses from the real struggle, turning them against the revolution and towards America.

No. He has willingly acted as a scapegoat so the US would have a pretense to invade parts of the Middle East. His supporters are also blowing up legitimate resistance movements.

[Sarah Palin]

There is nothing keeping Islam down in his region of the Earth, so no he's no freedom fighter.

[el_chavista]

You mean "against all muslims who don't share his f*cked up interpretation"?
I wrote a "free" fighter, a voluntaryist, that is, a vanguardist which thinks he can do even a revolution by means of his sole willpower. People like commandant Carlos (my avatar), Baader-Meinhof group, etc. have been very appealing to petit bourgeois voluntaryists.

[Dimentio]

I wrote a "free" fighter, a voluntaryist, that is, a vanguardist which thinks he can do even a revolution by means of his sole willpower. People like commandant Carlos (my avatar), Baader-Meinhof group, etc. have been very appealing to petit bourgeois voluntaryists.

Here is my favourite voluntarist :D

http://www.faithmouse.com/heath_ledger_as_the_joker_1.jpg

[Antioch]

No. He has willingly acted as a scapegoat so the US would have a pretense to invade parts of the Middle East. His supporters are also blowing up legitimate resistance movements.
Erm... I think we agree on most of that.

[Pirate Utopian]

Here is my favourite voluntarist :D

http://www.faithmouse.com/heath_ledger_as_the_joker_1.jpg
I wonder how he got those scars.

[CheFighter777]

I wonder how he got those scars.

Fighting big bad Capitalist Batman!!!! :D

[bruno]

He is not a freedom fighter, he fights for his ideology. But the important point is that he is enemy of my enemy..

[Stranger Than Paradise]

He is not a freedom fighter, he fights for his ideology. But the important point is that he is enemy of my enemy..

Which means absolutely nothing when the enemy of our enemy is a sexist, homophobic, brainwashing, islamic fundamentalist, rich nutter.

[RedAnarchist]

I'm going to close this thread now, because the poll is ridiculous and I don't see the discussion going anywhere.