Anarchists only question

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

What is the ideal society that anarchism is trying to a create.I'm a commie and I dont understand :confused:

[The Feral Underclass]

It varies, but mostly communism.

This thread has been moved from theory to learning.

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

ok.But I need an exact answer I want to know exactly

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Che, the society we want to achieve is basically the ultimate aim of communism.

[Blackscare]

Communism is a classless and stateless society. So pretty much all forms of socialism and "state communism" eventually lead to a form of anarchy.

Anarchists just prefer a more abrupt, decentralized approach to this goal than those who support the idea of a "transitional state".

You can sort of sum up the Anarchist's attitude with this phrase: Revolution, now!
(read that somewhere :D)

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

O.K thanks guys

[The Feral Underclass]

Communism is a classless and stateless society. So pretty much all forms of socialism and "state communism" eventually lead to a form of anarchy.

Anarchists just prefer a more abrupt, decentralized approach to this goal than those who support the idea of a "transitional state".

You can sort of sum up the Anarchist's attitude with this phrase: Revolution, now!
(read that somewhere :D)

We do need to advocate a transitional phase. We can't just jump from a free market economy to a gift economy without some sort of transition.

The Spanish model i.e. collectivism is usually the commonly held idea of transition. It would happen organically anyway as a result of economic necessities.

[Blackscare]

True, I meant mainly the term transitional stage used as a justification for a state.

[ZeroNowhere]

We do need to advocate a transitional phase. We can't just jump from a free market economy to a gift economy without some sort of transition.
Well, yes, but communism is not necessarily a 'gift economy'.

Anyways, the goals of anarchists vary. For example, the so-called 'anarcho-communists' would differ from the mutualists. The only necessary agreement is on the abolition of hierarchal authority.

[Invincible Summer]

We do need to advocate a transitional phase. We can't just jump from a free market economy to a gift economy without some sort of transition.

The Spanish model i.e. collectivism is usually the commonly held idea of transition. It would happen organically anyway as a result of economic necessities.


True, I meant mainly the term transitional stage used as a justification for a state.

I agree.

Here's where I think many Marxists/others get confused. Although anarchists do not define/name their transitional period or whatever (as Lenin did with "socialism"), there is obviously going to be a period of readjustment, whatever you want to call it.

It's not as if anarchists think things will change overnight (or at least, the intelligent ones :lol:). But we do want to create the society we envision as efficiently and as soon as possible to avoid the "socialism" of the past.

[ZeroNowhere]

Here's where I think many Marxists/others get confused. Although anarchists do not define/name their transitional period or whatever (as Lenin did with "socialism"), there is obviously going to be a period of readjustment, whatever you want to call it.
Well, technically, Marx's 'transitional period' was called 'revolution'. I believe that anarchists do not have much of an issue with this transitional period.
After that, there was the initial phase of communism (using labour credits), and the higher phase of communism ('free access'), but I wouldn't call the initial phase a 'transitional period', because it is, after all, communism.

[The Feral Underclass]

Well, yes, but communism is not necessarily a 'gift economy'.

Can you qualify that? I'm confused by what you mean.


Anyways, the goals of anarchists vary. For example, the so-called 'anarcho-communists' would differ from the mutualists. The only necessary agreement is on the abolition of hierarchal authority.

The only significant tendencies are anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism. Mutualism doesn't really exist anymore.

[ZeroNowhere]

The only significant tendencies are anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism. Mutualism doesn't really exist anymore.
It is a form of anarchism, however, and there are a few mutualists.


Can you qualify that? I'm confused by what you mean.
Basically that communism is a classless, stateless society, and not necessarily a gift economy (which is why Marx's 'initial phase of communism' was a 'phase of communism'). Unless you meant it as a transition from post-revolutionary society to gift economy socialism, through non-gift economy socialism, which I generally don't refer to as a 'transitional period', but I suppose that could be what you were referring to.

[Klepto]

I dream of a society in which no individual or group attempts to dictate to any other individual or group the method of organisation that should be used.

[apathy maybe]

I hate to sound nasty, but:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/making-sense-anarchism-t6416/index.html (stickied in the learning forum)



Anarchism is a political theory which aims to create anarchy, "the absence of a master, of a sovereign." [P-J Proudhon, What is Property , p. 264] In other words, anarchism is a political theory which aims to create a society within which individuals freely co-operate together as equals. As such anarchism opposes all forms of hierarchical control - be that control by the state or capitalist - as harmful to the individual and their individuality as well as unnecessary.

Also see: http://www.revleft.com/vb/revolutionary-left-dictionary-t22628/index.html (stickied in the learning forum)


Anarchism

A philosophy advocating the abolition of all forms of hierarchical authority, including capitalism and the state. Anarchists are opposed to the idea, advocated by most Marxists, that a transitional dictatorship is necessary to achieve a classless society and instead argue for the simultanious abolition of capitalism & the state.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/makes-anarchist-anarchisti-t24725/index.html?t=24725

And also, do a search in learning for many of the other threads about anarchism...