What about the Children?

[Mike Morin]

The people of the United States of America CONSUME AND SQUANDER 20 million BARRELS of fuel a day for transportation, mostly selfish driving.

Given the fact that we have gone way past the peak of available fossil fuel resources do you think that children should be used:

A. For Food
B. For Biofuels
C. For War, so that the "adults" can continue to squander

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

We're nowhere near the end of fossil fuels. Wyoming alone has enough coal to meet our needs for the next century. Also, while Americans do eat way too much fucking food (as a group), most of it unhealthy, we do grow a massive amount for export.

By the way, I fucking hate when people bring up children. Not you Mike, but the politicians we have today.

Example A:

"Cannibis should be legal. We're spending billions to incarcerate millions of people for no other reason, we're destroying lives and ruining families, and by pushing it to the black market we ensure that at least part of the supply will be delivered by unsavory gan--"

"But what about the Children!!!!!!!This politician wants to give your 7-year old Marijuana!!!!!!And you know what's next, Crack Cocaine will be served in school vending machines!!!!!!!"

Example B:

"We shouldn't raise taxes on cigarettes to sponsor SCHIP for kids because that's an unfair tax on poor people, who are more likely to smoke. Instead, we should raise taxes which are more fai--"

"But what about the children!!!!Obviously you don't care if little Jimmy dies of cancer you sick pig!!!!!"

And it's not just those, but one thing is both sides (not that I agree with either) uses children to justify whatever they want to do and I'm sick of it.

[dez]

Children are already being killed for oil.
Making them biofuel is just another step.
:D

[Blackscare]

Fuck the children :(

Only demagogues use children as a political tool (which means pretty much every politician, though).

As far as fossil fuels go, while we may have plenty of coal left, it will become a matter of whether it's best to opt for them over other sources at some point. Just because one form is still relatively plentiful doesn't mean that it's the best choice for a number of reasons having nothing to do with sustainability.


And also, as far as the tired old argument used to justify every stupid little regulation goes "Well, if it saves just one child, it's worth it.", I say BULLSHIT. Kids are always gonna die of something, I don't think we necessarily need to abolish peanuts on airlines or install an obnoxious beeping thing on everything that backs up. I'm cool if a few kids die of random crazy shit happening every year, if it wasn't elevator doors it'd be something else. That's the problem with lawsuits, one kid dies of a hangnail or something and before you know it major shit has to be changed so that said freak accident never happens again. Fuck 'em. That's the thing about kids; their inventive. The precocious little tikes will always find new ways to get themselves killed anyway.

[Mike Morin]

Yeah, I've heard Halliburton has invested to totally exhaust the worlds' supply of fossil fuels in the next 100 years or less. After all Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian, so what does he care about the children and the children's children?

Yeah, the Capitalist Parties would vote for all of the above. I didn't include this as an option because, I don't want to encourage or accomodate the use of this website by subversives.

Let me tell you why I voted for biofuels.

I am a vegan, children are made out of flesh and blood.

I am a pacifist. I believe that war is unhealthy for children and other living things.

I always wanted to go to the Sloan School of Management, and when GM comes out with their biodiesel plug-in hybrid Suburban, I hope to be able to bail out the cash, er, I mean get the credit, to buy one.

That's until I climb up the Escalade at the Bank of America, then of course I'd want something bigger, better, flashier, and more fully loaded. But being "green", it would have to be a biofueled plug-in hybrid.

I won't stand for anything less.


MM
peu

[dez]

No, seriously, I can seriously see people being used for fuel in a matrix-like scenario in the future.
Way towards the future, after our nuclear holocaust.
:cool:

[Orange Juche]

"We shouldn't raise taxes on cigarettes to sponsor SCHIP for kids because that's an unfair tax on poor people, who are more likely to smoke. Instead, we should raise taxes which are more fai--"

"But what about the children!!!!Obviously you don't care if little Jimmy dies of cancer you sick pig!!!!!"

There's certainly not enough talk about how tobacco taxes are classist.

[Blackscare]

There's certainly not enough talk about how tobacco taxes are classist.


Yea, smokers are targeted as the easiest group to demonize in today's PC world.

The fact that it's unhealthy is used as an excuse to totally meddle in other people's lives, which is itself just a guise under which they are able to squeeze tax money out of the poor.

[dez]

Something that I find interesting is that the brazilian government has put a long term ban in the tobacco production (national, they dont have a strong enough lobby) over this whole PC wave, something that will remove the income of a lot of people...

I dont see similar intolerance towards alcohol, which is a much more addictive drug and probably (due to its greater and massive usage) has stronger effects towards the people.

Historically, tobacco was seen as less acceptable (sometimes even as unacceptable) while alcohol, aside from the puritan US and its dry laws, has never faced that much of societal heat...
Is it over the origins (not talking about class, but rather ethnicity) of those two drugs?
What do you guys think?

[Mike Morin]

Yea, smokers are targeted as the easiest group to demonize in today's PC world.

The fact that it's unhealthy is used as an excuse to totally meddle in other people's lives, which is itself just a guise under which they are able to squeeze tax money out of the poor.

If cigarette (and alcohol) taxes are "classists", then you are asserting that the "lower classes' are ignorant fools.

It is you who are making the classist statement.

Maybe you ought to think that if there is indeed a correlation between socio-economic class and the use of alcohol and tobacco, then it is economic justice that such filthy pigs as smokers and drinkers should live in their own feces and urine.

But the real issue here, Mr. Obfuscating "Meeting People are Easy" is that Producers, Distributors, and Retailers of Tobacco and Alcohol Products are murderers and should be treated as such.

[dez]

But the real issue here, Mr. Obfuscating "Meeting People are Easy" is that Producers, Distributors, and Retailers of Tobacco and Alcohol Products are murderers and should be treated as such.

Regardless of them being murderers or not, if people want to die, why shouldnt we allow them?

[Blackscare]

If cigarette (and alcohol) taxes are "classists", then you are asserting that the "lower classes' are ignorant fools.

It is you who are making the classist statement.

Maybe you ought to think that if there is indeed a correlation between socio-economic class and the use of alcohol and tobacco, then it is economic justice that such filthy pigs as smokers and drinkers should live in their own feces and urine.

But the real issue here, Mr. Obfuscating "Meeting People are Easy" is that Producers, Distributors, and Retailers of Tobacco and Alcohol Products are murderers and should be treated as such.

Actually, I smoke and I'm working class.


I just believe adults should be treated like adults and allowed to choose what they put into their bodies. People choose to smoke, and I don't believe any nosy fucks should be sticking their noses in anyone's business about it. It's not as if there's a soul on earth (at least in the US) that isn't already aware that it's bad for you.

And its just known statistical fact that those of lower classes smoke more. You can have all the nifty little ideals you want, but you can't just deny facts.

[Mike Morin]

Regardless of them being murderers or not, if people want to die, why shouldnt we allow them?

If we accept that it is OK to make Trillions or more Capitalist dollars murdering and causing great suffering to others and their families, then we still have the issue of why should the people be taxed with the medical costs associated with such advertised, false brotherhood, behavior.

[dez]

If we accept that it is OK to make Trillions or more Capitalist dollars murdering and causing great suffering to others and their families, then we still have the issue of why should the people be taxed with the medical costs associated with such advertised, false brotherhood, behavior.

While I am against predatory advertisement of cigarettes (as it has always been done), I am also against a ban.
Why should people think it is an issue for them to decide regarding what other people do to themselves?
Why do people look at health and suddenly think it is a cost instead of a basic "right" in a society that has the resources and the capability to treat people without serious burden?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I recently quit smoking, and now only do so when drinking.

But I, for one, am completely for a smoking section in every airport and other public space. I got stuck in Phoenix Sky Harbor this summer for 4 fucking hours and in that whole monstrosity of concrete and steel there is not a single damn smoking section. Also, they wouldn't let you go outside due to the fear of hijacking (how that would stop a hijacker is beyond me).

Smokers pays billions of extra dollars each year in taxes, making them much more patriotic than the non-smoker. And not only that--they sacrifice their health to do so. One could very well say that smokers put their lives on the line for their country! :lol:

Seriously, smokers get treated like shit.


There's certainly not enough talk about how tobacco taxes are classist. Definitely, but that's true of most taxes :( The lottery is also based on screwing over poor people for projects the state is usually too damn cheap to spend on in a system where everyone pays their fair share.

[NecroCommie]

You just talk about smoking while millions of african children die of cancer. You unreasonable twats! What about the african children?!? Dont you care about the children?! I bet you would like to eat those children! You child eating baby molesters!! I bet you would like to kill all children too! Send them into gulags... huh? Where do you think adults come from?

[ZeroNowhere]

Why is there no 'To kill whining Greens' option?


"Cannibis should be legal. We're spending billions to incarcerate millions of people for no other reason, we're destroying lives and ruining families, and by pushing it to the black market we ensure that at least part of the supply will be delivered by unsavory gan--"

"But what about the Children!!!!!!!This politician wants to give your 7-year old Marijuana!!!!!!And you know what's next, Crack Cocaine will be served in school vending machines!!!!!!!"
It's not only politicians.


Capitalist dollars
I'm not entirely sure what a capitalist dollar is.


Maybe you ought to think that if there is indeed a correlation between socio-economic class and the use of alcohol and tobacco, then it is economic justice that such filthy pigs as smokers and drinkers should live in their own feces and urine.
In other news, there are also more illiterate poor people than rich people.
And that's assuming that we have any problem with smokers and people who drink alcohol.


But the real issue here, Mr. Obfuscating "Meeting People are Easy" is that Producers, Distributors, and Retailers of Tobacco and Alcohol Products are murderers and should be treated as such.
No, they aren't murderers, because producing cigarettes is not illegal.
Also, I'm fairly sure that people that produce kitchen knives are also 'murderers'. Also guns and Lego. Also towers.


As far as fossil fuels go, while we may have plenty of coal left, it will become a matter of whether it's best to opt for them over other sources at some point. Just because one form is still relatively plentiful doesn't mean that it's the best choice for a number of reasons having nothing to do with sustainability.
Put a Green and nuclear energy together...
Or, hell, any large scale construct for alternative energy which would be necessary for the increase in energy required so that people in countries that are currently poor can also engage in 'selfish driving'. After all, 'Small is Beautiful'!

[piet11111]

make them pull our hummers and use the whip excessively to "encourage" those lazy buggers.

[RedAnarchist]

Don't post crap like this, please. Closed and trashed.

[brigadista]

childhood is a first world luxury- the majority of children in the world have to work for a living or as a part of a family unit or to support themsleves or their younger siblings.

you can find out more about the work done by children around the world at
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/dialogue/actrav/genact/child/part4/publ/publ1.htm

and how this impacts on union organisation

[S.O.I]

i voted food. (but only babies)

[S.O.I]

No, they aren't murderers, because producing cigarettes is not illegal.

ehm does anyone see the logical fallacy in this sentence?:lol: (although i see the point to a certain degree. i think. or at least i understand what he actually meant)

[Communist Theory]

Sorry but I just have to say it.
Stalin used the babies for food, so why shouldn't we? :laugh:
btw nice thread Mike.

[ZeroNowhere]

ehm does anyone see the logical fallacy in this sentence?:lol: (although i see the point to a certain degree. i think. or at least i understand what he actually meant)
Logical fallacy? I don't really see it. Murder is illegal premeditated killing, so if something is not illegal, it isn't murder.