Is Jesus Gay?

[Rosa Provokateur]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jegay.htm

Worth a read =)

[NecroCommie]

Wow! That was a confusing opening for an article. Especially the part where they refer to J-sus in present tense.

Jesus was a good guy, but christians over theorize his teachings and over-interpret them. And if you really want an ancient Roman idol I'd prefer Spartacus and his army of slaves.

[Pogue]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jegay.htm

Worth a read =)

Is? He died two thousand years ago, if he ever existed at all.

Why does it matter? He was one person. Doesn't disregard the fact religion is part of bourgeoisie ideology, and so attacks homosexuals because of the reactionary nature of bourgeoisie ideology. Even if you could somehow prove that he existed and was gay, do you seriously think that fundamentalists and reactionary types would believe it and change their views? No, because their views are part of a reactionary ideology, and the bible is an 'justification' for this.

If Jesus was gay or not matters very little. We still know being gay is fine and natural. Why would we have to rely on 'the messiah' being gay to justify it? Thats the nature of religion, subservient obedience, destruction of independent thought or rational judgement. Come to your own conclusions. Use logic and empirical, real world and modern day evidence to justify homosexuality. Theres loads of this evidence around, loads of logic too. Its more constructive and useful than pouring over a dusty old book written by a few nutters desperately hoping that if you read into it enough and interpret it the right way, you'll get what you want. Here is one of the main problems of the bible - it receives so much attention and study when really its a shite piece of fiction by a few over imaginative reactionary crackheads.

[Pirate Utopian]

How can someone that didnt exist have a sexuality?

[F9]

How can someone that didnt exist have a sexuality?

He existed thats for sure, he just was a "dreamer" who thought was the son of the god:lol:.
On the article, how the hell could they know it, he lived thousands years ago, and his body or bones havent been discovered?They basically have nothing..

Fuserg9:star:

[Pirate Utopian]

He existed thats for sure
How is that "for sure"?
You just said they never found no body or anything.

[F9]

How is that "for sure"?
You just said they never found no body or anything.

Too many writings making refer to the particular man, and most of them giving him a different "role" but all pointing to the same...
I mean we dont have any scientific proof or nothing, but i believe all those writings couldnt be all "wrong"..

Fuserg9:star:

[Pirate Utopian]

Non-religious writings from that time?

[F9]

Non-religious writings from that time?

Have been said for non-religious ones too, but i am not sure, but the religious ones are the ones they take no "challenge".I have been doing "orthodox christian" lessons since kindergarden and still do:rolleyes:, thats where i heard those things..

Fuserg9:star:

[Pogue]

Have been said for non-religious ones too, but i am not sure, but the religious ones are the ones they take no "challenge".I have been doing "orthodox christian" lessons since kindergarden and still do:rolleyes:, thats where i heard those things..

Fuserg9:star:

You poor guy, do they force that shit upon you?

[F9]

You poor guy, do they force that shit upon you?

Of course, do i seem like a person to choose this?:lol:
I just sit on my corner and have my nap, or listen to music, the bad thing is they threat me to send me in exams, which could led loosing the year, but this wont happen, as they cant do it with just one person.;)

Fuserg9:star:

[Communist Theory]

I wonder what the pope's reaction would be if somebody had solid evidence that Jesus was gay.

[ZeroNowhere]

Too many writings making refer to the particular man, and most of them giving him a different "role" but all pointing to the same...
I mean we dont have any scientific proof or nothing, but i believe all those writings couldnt be all "wrong"..

Fuserg9:star:
As far as I know, all they have is Josephus, and the legitimacy of that is highly disputed. However, he was not mentioned in any other major accounts of the time by people living then, I believe.

[Sean]

I wonder what the pope's reaction would be if somebody had solid evidence that Jesus was gay.
Probably shock that he actually existed! You don't think religious leaders believe their own shit do you? Individual priests and maybe bishops might, but the rest are con men.

[Communist Theory]

The pope would say holy shit?!
Tell the press that what the bible meant to say was Judas was the messiah!

[Patchd]

I wonder what the pope's reaction would be if somebody had solid evidence that Jesus was gay.

I think a standard facepalm would do. Mind you, how can anyone really tell, according to records he never come out as a homosexual, I guess they're simply theories with regards to a non-existent person, unless of course you actually believe that a man really existed who was able to perform hundreds of miracles, cure the blind, feed thousands, walk on water, turn water into wine (that would be pretty cool) etc..

Although this, from the site, is a load of balls:


Since there is no precise statement about Jesus' sexual orientation in the Bible, we can safely start with the assumption that Yeshua of Nazareth/Jesus was a heterosexual.

[Communist Theory]

Didn't you play Assassins Creed it was all just an illusion. :lol:

[trivas7]

Who knows (or cares)? to answer the question.

IMO the consensus of current NT scholars is that he was indeed an historical figure; a marginalized wandering rabbi influenced by Essene teachings (via John the Baptist) who taught an eschatological doctrine of an immanent political intervention by Yahweh to lift Palestinian Jews from the yoke of Roman rule.

[GracchusBabeuf]

Is Jesus gay?Assuming he's still alive. :laugh: Still, if he was, the bigotry would perhaps lessen among the believers.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Why should it matter? The only reason I ever bring up the possibility is to piss off certain Christians.

[ComradeOm]

As far as I know, all they have is Josephus, and the legitimacy of that is highly disputed. However, he was not mentioned in any other major accounts of the time by people living then, I believe.Even Josephus was writing a few decades after the supposed crucifixion. Ditto with Tacitus and Suetonius, the accounts of both being similarly contestable. This absence of contemporary sources is extremely notable given the relatively centralised nature of Roman state at the time

[Rosa Provokateur]

Why does it matter? He was one person. Doesn't disregard the fact religion is part of bourgeoisie ideology, and so attacks homosexuals because of the reactionary nature of bourgeoisie ideology. Even if you could somehow prove that he existed and was gay, do you seriously think that fundamentalists and reactionary types would believe it and change their views? No, because their views are part of a reactionary ideology, and the bible is an 'justification' for this.

If Jesus was gay or not matters very little. We still know being gay is fine and natural. Why would we have to rely on 'the messiah' being gay to justify it? Thats the nature of religion, subservient obedience, destruction of independent thought or rational judgement. Come to your own conclusions. Use logic and empirical, real world and modern day evidence to justify homosexuality. Theres loads of this evidence around, loads of logic too. Its more constructive and useful than pouring over a dusty old book written by a few nutters desperately hoping that if you read into it enough and interpret it the right way, you'll get what you want. Here is one of the main problems of the bible - it receives so much attention and study when really its a shite piece of fiction by a few over imaginative reactionary crackheads.

Homophobia isnt about economics its just something people have to learn to get over. It's a mind-set thats been culturally engrained and through example, we'll disarm it.

They use the Bible to justify it but that doesnt mean the Bible itself justifies it.

I dont need to justify being gay, I just am. Just posted this because I though it'd be interesting.

The idea that the Bible was written for the sole-purpose of fooling people is about as sound as the conspiracy-theory behind the Protocols of Zion.

[Demogorgon]

It is important to remember that back then people did not understand sexuality in terms of particular sexual identities but rather saw only individual sexual acts so nothing at the time would mention a particular sexuality for Jesus, it wasn't the way they thought.

However to put a few things in perspective. It seems certain to me that Jesus was married. An unmarried Rabbi would simply have been unthinkable back then. It just wasn't done. Whether or not he was still married during his teachings is an open question however. Secondly Judea at the time was under Roman rule and hence influenced by Roman and Greek culture, both of which look favourably on pederastry, even seeing it as the normal thing to do in certain social classes. And there is a section in the Gospels mentioning Jesus healing a Roman centurions catamite. It is possible he might have indulged in that sort of thing himself.

Really though, it is not exactly a profitable area of speculation. We can hardly know the answer.

[Rosa Provokateur]

Roman and Greek culture, both of which look favourably on pederastry, even seeing it as the normal thing to do in certain social classes.

What is pederastry, I've mentioned to people that being gay was fully common in ancient Greece and Rome but when I read about it it sounds like pedophelia.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Pederasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty)

[ThiagoCL]

Why do people discuss such waste of time?
I honestely think that this won't bring us closer to our goal.

We aren't going to get closer to communism if we figure this crap out.

[F9]

Why do people discuss such waste of time?
I honestely think that this won't bring us closer to our goal.

We aren't going to get closer to communism if we figure this crap out.

Of course, but this is a discussion board, and we just can "discuss".This was something brought up, there is nothing wrong with discussing it.Besides we are not here to form "plans" on how we will make the revolution, most around here do know their goal, and how they think the best way to get there is, so the only thing left to us to kill our free-time is discussion.

Fuserg9:star:

[Pirate Utopian]

Why do people discuss such waste of time?
I honestely think that this won't bring us closer to our goal.

We aren't going to get closer to communism if we figure this crap out.
Cause even though we might not believe in Jesus, we still hypothetically wanna know our chances of sleeping with him.