Protesting = Target practice

[TheDifferenceEngine]

I just don't get it, how is walking into the middle of London and sitting down for a while then being beaten to shit by the police "resistance"?

All protesting is is a chance for them to photograph your faces, maintain the facade of "a free society" and beat you up for your troubles.

I saw two guys on BBC news, both had been protesting at the G20, one guy was bleeding from the head.

They were saying "The police just attacked us, they had truncheons and helmets, we've got nothing"
Honestly, how hard is it to get your hands on a decent bike/safety helmet and a blunt instrument?

I'm sorry if I pissed anyone off but, the whole exercise just seems really really pointless.

[Picky Bugger]

You have really missed the point of protesting...

And really why should the protesters have to buy helmets etc to protect themselves, surely if a society allows free speech then people should not expect to have their heads caved in.

You haven't pissed anyone off you have just shown your ignorance. :p

[Pogue]

I just don't get it, how is walking into the middle of London and sitting down for a while then being beaten to shit by the police "resistance"?

All protesting is is a chance for them to photograph your faces, maintain the facade of "a free society" and beat you up for your troubles.

I saw two guys on BBC news, both had been protesting at the G20, one guy was bleeding from the head.

They were saying "The police just attacked us, they had truncheons and helmets, we've got nothing"
Honestly, how hard is it to get your hands on a decent bike/safety helmet and a blunt instrument?

I'm sorry if I pissed anyone off but, the whole exercise just seems really really pointless.

If you gear up with weapons and a helmet you'll get lifted just like that. In many countries, including USA, wearing a helmet to a demonstration is illegal and classified as a 'passive weapon'.

Protests need to be used in a certain way. Although the liberal point of view is we should be able to protest freely without getting our heads kicked in, in reality, we will get our heads kicked in. But the protest has a purpose.

On this one (G20, London), we wanted to get our message out peacefully. The reason we got fucked up was because we were attacked brutally when we came for a peaceful demonstration. We need ways to get our message out en masse. How else do we do it other than big attention catching moiblisations?

I don't see demonstrations as a means to the end, their a tactic. At the moment, radicals, anarchists, have very little influence amongst the world, so 3000 odd of us wanted this protest to spread awareness, get ideas going. We did this, and the police responded by attacking us and killing someone. We still wanted to get a message out.

The demonstration is also a show of strength. Its symbolic. For example, if the BNP held a huge dmeonstration in London it would show they've grown bigger and braver, and thus would be very worrying for us. Thats why its so powerful symbolically when (as we have in the past and will in the future) stop their demonstrations, and oppose them effectively. Same with the demonstration today. If millions of people went out on the streets in a protest against capitalism during a period of high class conflict, what would that tell you about the populaces attitude to capitalism? Obvious.

The demonstration is a tactic, a neccesary and useful one, but also a dangerous one, as we saw on Wednesday and see all the time. But we have to do it, and it helps alot, and defending against the police is a must, obviously.

[Bud Struggle]

HLVS--how would anyone know what you message is? (As an OI RefLefter I understand where you are coming from) but how is anyone in TV land going to have a clue what you people really want to say from what is portrayed in the news?

It seems you have the stage--but there's a disconnect. You Anarchist aren't telling your story--you just are the story.

(FYI, I disagree with a lot of what you say--but I certainly would like you have the opportunity to make your case.)

[Pogue]

HLVS--how would anyone know what you message is? (As an OI RefLefter I understand where you are coming from) but how is anyone in TV land going to have a clue what you people really want to say from what is portrayed in the news?

It seems you have the stage--but there's a disconnect. You Anarchist aren't telling your story--you just are the story.

(FYI, I disagree with a lot of what you say--but I certainly would like you have the opportunity to make your case.)

Obviously our message is distorted by the media, thats why we need our own media, and we need protests that can't be distorted or ignored. We need to keep protesting and getting our message out until people do hear it.

[Robert]

Obviously our message is distorted by the media The U.S. media at least is not trying to distort your "message." And I doubt that much of the European press is in the pocket of big business and the state. (That's the insinuation, right?) The press has offered microphones to many demonstrators in Europe -- against the Iraq war, against globalizaton, against bankers. If they could get a coherent answer, they'd air it.

Say, did you guys get gassed and bashed with clubs during all those antiwar demonstrations during the Bush years? I always saw tens of thousands walking along, chanting and waving banners and effigies of Bush. They weren't geting clubbed. You know it wouldn't take much for the police to gas the whole crowd and stop the message from getting out, if that were really the intention of the government.

[Invincible Summer]

The U.S. media at least is not trying to distort your "message." And I doubt that much of the European press is in the pocket of big business and the state. (That's the insinuation, right?) The press has offered microphones to many demonstrators in Europe -- against the Iraq war, against globalizaton, against bankers. If they could get a coherent answer, they'd air it.

Say, did you guys get gassed and bashed with clubs during all those antiwar demonstrations during the Bush years? I always saw tens of thousands walking along, chanting and waving banners and effigies of Bush. They weren't geting clubbed. You know it wouldn't take much for the police to gas the whole crowd and stop the message from getting out, if that were really the intention of the government.


Being anti-war isn't necessarily anti-capitalist. The latter threatens the system which government and capitalists rely on to subjugate a majority of the world. The former is for people who don't like having fellow people shot, but it can entail an anti-capitalism... that's usually on the backburner though.

And how is the US media not trying to distort? They constantly call people "socialists" and "Communists" for doing state-capitalist things and being a social democrat.

Also, most of the world's media is in the hands of maybe... 6 or 7 corporations? This page is from 1997 (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1406), but I'm sure the only changes that would occur are bigger companies buying out the smaller ones, creating a smaller oligopoly and closer to a monopoly.

[RGacky3]

The problem I see with protests, is a lot of times people just do a lot of quasi-"artistic" stuff or fancy stunts to try and make a point, but essencailly, what they are doing is making a joke out of themselves in the eyes of the viewers. I understand the point, but I think it just gets silly sometimes.

To you guys who think protesting is ineffective for getting our point out, what other option is there? Seriously, that is really the only way anarchists or communists can get on the news, and at least, maybe, some people will look and think "why are these guys angry" and hopefully read. Theres that, the hope maybe Chomsky will get some airtime in America (He does somewhat in europe, but I have a feeling that its just to boost some europeans sense of moral superiority.)

There are also a lot of things Anarchists do that NEVER get any airtime, food not bombs, urban farm collectives, workplace organizing, fighting for prisoner rights, different community organizing things. But unfortunately, the only thing the media will film is guys in black ski masks trying to make a point.

[Bud Struggle]

What nees to happen (and maybe it never will) but AFTER the media shows endless pictures of Anarchists getting beat up--maybe bring one of them in to the studio and interview him.

What suprises me is that there's no basic curiosity in the media about who these people are. The Anarchists show up--get the crap beat out of them by the police--it's major news all around the world, then they go away and no one asks, "what the hell was that all about?"

[Omi]

People do think that, that was the whole reason why I became interested in leftism. I saw video images on the news of the anti-G8 protests in Genova, and asked myself ''why are these people risking their life to make a point?''. So I think people do ask themselves wtf, but the next step is to provide people the information they need about what the hell is happening, people are curious anough to surf on the internet for 15 minutes to check out what the hell is happening.

At least, that is what I hope, that I am not some sort of isolated case, which I hope I am not, and don't think so either.

[Ele'ill]

I'm sorry if I pissed anyone off but, the whole exercise just seems really really pointless.

I've been debating with myself regarding the merits of going to the IMF/WB demonstrations this month in DC. I'm tired of the hipster protest hype surrounding every event in the world. Where each demonstration is going to be this romantic final stand and the left will win. We have not seen a win since Seattle in 1999 and THAT was due to years of planning.

Honestly i'm sick of broken windows. At this point in time its contrived. No more planned riots. Its too fucking easy to break a window and then spend the next five hours running AWAY from people. Where are all of the people locked down in an intersection holding hands with no way to get up and run and NO gas masks. THAT's courage. Those people are who I want to be around.

Which brings me back to the main point. Demonstrating in the United States is not direct action. You don't tell the authorities that you're going to be bad on this date here at this time of the day. You don't post images of riots on your website gearing up for the demonstration. In fact, you don't even have a website. You don't show up at high noon with a black mask and a handful of rocks. Of course the police are going to attack you. Yeah, they're wrong but we all knew this to begin with.

The 'radicals' in the streets of America are afraid of using direct action which is why they essentially tell the police when to arrest them. They like the idea but they don't like the consequences.

The only bail-out i'll look back on and remember is how the left (and people in general) lost their will to fight (And I do not mean with violence)

**Edit: I just thought of a flipside to this. Maybe we're in luck guys and gals. Maybe the general population knows their money, homes, cars and lifestyle are going out the window and for the first time in their lives they feel excited. They realize community matters more. They WILL probably hang onto it all until the very end but its a moral victory of sorts.

[MikeSC]

It seems if you're just walking home away from police with your hands in your pockets, not even protesting, you're just target practice for the pigs-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/video-g20-police-assault

Bloody hell- it's quite clear he had done nothing wrong. And the protestors, seen in the video helping him while the pigs did nothing, have been getting the slack for the past week?

[Ele'ill]

It seems if you're just walking home away from police with your hands in your pockets, not even protesting, you're just target practice for the pigs-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/video-g20-police-assault

Bloody hell- it's quite clear he had done nothing wrong. And the protestors, seen in the video helping him while the pigs did nothing, have been getting the slack for the past week?


Its not clear. We only see the police moving in and reacting.

[danyboy27]

It seems if you're just walking home away from police with your hands in your pockets, not even protesting, you're just target practice for the pigs-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/video-g20-police-assault

Bloody hell- it's quite clear he had done nothing wrong. And the protestors, seen in the video helping him while the pigs did nothing, have been getting the slack for the past week?

hand in his pocket+dangerously close from the cops+relatively slow moving speed in the middle of a full scale protest with some masked folks in the crowd nearby.

he should have run away from the protest running and avoiding the police force.


in those situation, cops tend to be overly paranoid. i am not saying the cop did the right thing, i think he should be punished, but if the cop had the intention of killing the guy he would have hit his forehead, not his leg.

[TheDifferenceEngine]

hand in his pocket+dangerously close from the cops+relatively slow moving speed in the middle of a full scale protest with some masked folks in the crowd nearby.

he should have run away from the protest running and avoiding the police force.


in those situation, cops tend to be overly paranoid. i am not saying the cop did the right thing, i think he should be punished, but if the cop had the intention of killing the guy he would have hit his forehead, not his leg.

How dare you use logic and reason!

Everyone knows that everything that the cops do ever is evil and bad!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Pogue]

hand in his pocket+dangerously close from the cops+relatively slow moving speed in the middle of a full scale protest with some masked folks in the crowd nearby.

he should have run away from the protest running and avoiding the police force.


in those situation, cops tend to be overly paranoid. i am not saying the cop did the right thing, i think he should be punished, but if the cop had the intention of killing the guy he would have hit his forehead, not his leg.

Fact is he did nothing wrong and didn't act threateningly and was walkign away and a policeman abtoned him and then pushed him to the floor and no one helped him. Your a fucking scumfuck cop apologist and it makes me sick.

[MikeSC]

There's no justification for what that copper did- listen to yourselves, being "slow moving" in a public street? The cops approached him in the video. The pig that hit him had to run up to him to knock him over. The bullying bastard police had no right there, whatever excuse you come up with.

[Pogue]

How dare you use logic and reason!

Everyone knows that everything that the cops do ever is evil and bad!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Batoning and pushing someone leading to their death is obviously evil and bad and that is what we're discussing here. Why are you so intent to defend the police when they kill innocents? And why are you ever posting on this forum?

[Bud Struggle]

And why are you ever posting on this forum?


It is OI! :)

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

It must be said that anarchists are aware of the problem of "getting the message out" hence why a rally was held a short walk away from the numbingly boring union hack rally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqPsJgFA7jY&feature=PlayList&p=4D0C1121EB5C12C6&index=0&playnext=1

[danyboy27]

There's no justification for what that copper did- listen to yourselves, being "slow moving" in a public street? The cops approached him in the video. The pig that hit him had to run up to him to knock him over. The bullying bastard police had no right there, whatever excuse you come up with.

context is verry important, he was in the middle of a protest, with his hand in the pocket, the guy could have dissimulated a weapon or at the last moment jumped on the cops to slow them down. he was wayy too close from them, has i pointed out he should have ran away.





Fact is he did nothing wrong and didn't act threateningly and was walkign away and a policeman abtoned him and then pushed him to the floor and no one helped him. Your a fucking scumfuck cop apologist and it makes me sick.

i am not a scumfuck cop apologist, i said earlier that the cops should be punished for this behavior, but that several factor have to be considered for the action he did. has i said earlier protest+hand in his pocket+big proximity with the cop lead to shit like this.

its obvious that the cop was an overly paranoid assole, but he didnt mean to kill him, they didnt gave him any assistance beccause they had to deal with the whole crowd they had to control, in a certain way it was none of their buisness and they where already pretty busy. he seemed to be fine prior to the time he felt, there nothing that could gave any hint that he was about to die, otherwise they would have done something.

i got no problem condemning such act of brutality, but comparing this particular action with what the SS did during ww2 is a disgrace in term of proportion.

[MikeSC]

context is verry important, he was in the middle of a protest, with his hand in the pocket, the guy could have dissimulated a weapon or at the last moment jumped on the cops to slow them down. he was wayy too close from them, has i pointed out he should have ran away.

Just watch the video- the idea that he could have pulled a weapon, or that he was in any mind to, is ludicrous. He was walking away from the police on a public street. The police approached him, from behind. He continued to walk. One pig ran up, hit him, and knocked him over.

Reactionaries love to fall back on "liberty" as a word to fight communism with- yet you think it's ok for the police to commandeer a public space at a moment's notice and viciously attack people who don't leave as quick as the police want? Does a bank window deserve more "liberty" than people? Does "liberty" only apply to the houses (and bank balances) of the rich?

[danyboy27]

Just watch the video- the idea that he could have pulled a weapon, or that he was in any mind to, is ludicrous. He was walking away from the police on a public street. The police approached him, from behind. He continued to walk. One pig ran up, hit him, and knocked him over.

cops dont really care about your perceptions of what is a threat, in situations like this they will not really care about what you think, they received instructions to clear the way, being close of them will make you a threat to them, and that a crystal clear evidence to me, you stay the fuck away from the cops during a protest IF you are not involved in all that, otherwise, feel perfectly fine to do whatever suit you.







Reactionaries love to fall back on "liberty" as a word to fight communism with- yet you think it's ok for the police to commandeer a public space at a moment's notice and viciously attack people who don't leave as quick as the police want? Does a bank window deserve more "liberty" than people? Does "liberty" only apply to the houses (and bank balances) of the rich?
i never mentionned nowhere anything about liberty and fighting communism.if all protesters where always nice and great, there will be no reason for the cops to be there, but there is always a number of assole troublemaker, not much, but always there, making trouble for the sake of making trouble.

if there would be no threat of cops, those guy would have burned the whole place, you dont need a lot of people to destroy stuff, 10 is more than sifficent, we had riot last winter in my province, a bunch of anarcho-punk kind who decided after a hockey match to smash things up for fun, the cops hesitated to do something and there is a lot of stuff that have been damaged, most of it that didnt belong to the rich. in what smashing a bus station or burning a bus is an expression of freedom? so what you gonna make the bus system crappy beccause you wanted to express your freedom? wtf is that man?

i must say, i never said the cops was an engel, i said many time before that he should be accountable for what happen. you fail to understand that and jump to the conclusion that i have the cops in my heart and probably pictures of them all over the place but no, i dont especially love cops, except for the part they avoid people trashing my appartement like its happened to my friend.

[Jazzratt]

hand in his pocket+dangerously close from the cops+relatively slow moving speed in the middle of a full scale protest with some masked folks in the crowd nearby.

he should have run away from the protest running and avoiding the police force.

I contend that he was behaving perfectly normally, unmasked and non-threatening. The police perhaps should have refrained from twatting him in their blind porcine aggression.


in those situation, cops tend to be overly paranoid. i am not saying the cop did the right thing, i think he should be punished, but if the cop had the intention of killing the guy he would have hit his forehead, not his leg.

The police force shouldn't have people so aggressively paranoid on the force in the first place (although they seem to encourage this behaviour). Hitting someone with a heavy stick is normally counted as aggravated assault, this man should be charged with manslaughter.

TheIndifferenceEngine:


http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1408986#post1408986) How dare you use logic and reason!

Everyone knows that everything that the cops do ever is evil and bad!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

No one is arguing that every cop ever is irredeemably evil and that everything they do must be evil. I'm sure that when they aren't helping with the brutal suppression of the working class they can be perfectly decent chaps. The fact remains that they like to goad protestors to violence and then beat the shit out of them because they know that the state has their curly-tailed backs.

[MikeSC]

cops dont really care about your perceptions of what is a threat, in situations like this they will not really care about what you think, they received instructions to clear the way, being close of them will make you a threat to them, and that a crystal clear evidence to me, you stay the fuck away from the cops during a protest IF you are not involved in all that, otherwise, feel perfectly fine to do whatever suit you.

The coppers approached him from behind. Hes a fucking threat to the coppers because they got close to him? The back of him from far away is threat enough to warrant running up and twatting him to the ground? It's fucked up if you thing that is normal or acceptable by the police.

If you think people are fair game for the pigs for being close to them- especially when it's they who got that close, then you're a dick.

[danyboy27]

No one is arguing that every cop ever is irredeemably evil and that everything they do must be evil. I'm sure that when they aren't helping with the brutal suppression of the working class they can be perfectly decent chaps. The fact remains that they like to goad protestors to violence and then beat the shit out of them because they know that the state has their curly-tailed backs.
go tell that to mike the smurf, he one of the numerous people here that think that cops are all evil, have horn, and do nothing of their day but to rape young virgin and beat up people to death.

i am aware that not all people here hate the cops this way, but the only unrestricted people who used his judgement to express his opinion is you, 99% of the comments here are about how dangerous the cops are, for some weird reason, reasonable people are affraid to speak out by being affraid of being called cops apologist.

i hate when it happen, you know when the fews hardcore people speak out and most of the reasonable guy remain silent beccause they are affraid of potential harmful accusation against them?

[Jazzratt]

go tell that to mike the smurf, he one of the numerous people here that think that cops are all evil, have horn, and do nothing of their day but to rape young virgin and beat up people to death.

Not from what I've read of his posts. It's clear that, in the course of his or her duties a police officer has the job of, basically, suppressing the working class. They are thugs and bullies. But even thugs and bullies are nice to their gran.


i am aware that not all people here hate the cops this way, but the only unrestricted people who used his judgement to express his opinion is you, 99% of the comments here are about how dangerous the cops are, for some weird reason, reasonable people are affraid to speak out by being affraid of being called cops apologist.You've read me wrong. I think it is a copper's job to be fucking scum and, for the most part, that will cause him or her to be utter fucking scum. The position though is not that they are 100% evil. That's ludicrous. They may well have baked cakes for orphans or saved abandoned kittens or something. No one is always scum, but the police when on duty (and usually afterwards as well) are scabby little shits.


i hate when it happen, you know when the fews hardcore people speak out and most of the reasonable guy remain silent beccause they are affraid of potential harmful accusation against them?There is nothing reasonable about apologising for the cops.

EDIT: You misread my position, but didn't the phrases "blind porcine aggression" and "curly-tailed backs" suggest that I had a low opionion of the police, given that both draw comparisons between them and pigs.

[Robert]

A significant number, probably the majority, of law enforcement actions in the USA are responses to alcohol-laced violence, by males, against females and children of both sexes, sometimes toddlers, in the home.

One can theorize, I suppose, that absent capitalism, no one would ever get depressed and feel the need to drink to excess, beat one's wife, rape one's daughter, or set one's dog on fire.

One can also theorize that Sasquatch still roams the Northwest forests. He just hasn't been caught yet, the big hairy bastard.

[MikeSC]

go tell that to mike the smurf, he one of the numerous people here that think that cops are all evil, have horn, and do nothing of their day but to rape young virgin and beat up people to death.

i am aware that not all people here hate the cops this way, but the only unrestricted people who used his judgement to express his opinion is you, 99% of the comments here are about how dangerous the cops are, for some weird reason, reasonable people are affraid to speak out by being affraid of being called cops apologist.

i hate when it happen, you know when the fews hardcore people speak out and most of the reasonable guy remain silent beccause they are affraid of potential harmful accusation against them? Where did you get all that shite from?

Why do you consider the idea that the coppers shouldn't have carte blanche to do whatever they want to who they want for whatever reason they want to be "hardcore"?

EDIT: Sorry about the swearing, by the way. I don't mean to be a cock, it just happens ;P

[brigadista]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otacja5LDJY

[danyboy27]

well okay, no problem if you dont want to them having carte blanche to make the law respected, but a problem remain: how do you stop a fews coward hidden in a mass of people breaking stuff at will while the peaceful protesters does nothing to actually stop them?

that something that will always amaze me with protest, 90% of the crowd claim that they want to do a peaceful protest, yet they let a fews assoles break stuff at will and nobody will actually stop them, and when the cops want to actually go in, the peaceful protest block them from interfering.

[MikeSC]

well okay, no problem if you dont want to them having carte blanche to make the law respected, but a problem remain: how do you stop a fews coward hidden in a mass of people breaking stuff at will while the peaceful protesters does nothing to actually stop them?

that something that will always amaze me with protest, 90% of the crowd claim that they want to do a peaceful protest, yet they let a fews assoles break stuff at will and nobody will actually stop them, and when the cops want to actually go in, the peaceful protest block them from interfering.


So the only to stop those individuals is to approach a guy on his own from behind, who's doing nothing, and once you're close enough whack him- because being close means you're a threat and therefore fair game, even when it's the coppers who got close to the guy who was walking away?

Vandalism against property, I don't consider "violence"- but that's nothing to do with this case. Unless he was breaking windows inside his own pockets this is no reasoning at all.

[danyboy27]

So the only to stop those individuals is to approach a guy on his own from behind, who's doing nothing, and once you're close enough whack him- because being close means you're a threat and therefore fair game, even when it's the coppers who got close to the guy who was walking away?

Vandalism against property, I don't consider "violence"- but that's nothing to do with this case. Unless he was breaking windows inside his own pockets this is no reasoning at all.

what i said in my last post wasnt related to the assault on that guy, it was related on that thing you said about cops having carte blanche to avoids vandalism. but if you want me to establish a link between that assault and what i said in the last post, i can, there we go.

the classical techniques being used by the cops to stop violence like vandalism in those situation have the effect that people like the guy you seen in the video get hit now and then, this is nothing new, but its dirrectly linked to how cops act in those protest.

if you want such things not to happen again, new methods have to be envisaged, but has i said precedently, this is not an easy task, beccause verry often those vandals and cowards are hidden inside the whole crowd, meeting verry fews opposition from the crowd, someone must act to avoid more violence.

i was expecting to have a discussion about it rather than having to constantly respond about that particular incident.

if you guy think i actually support attack like the one depicted above, you are fucking wrong.

[Hoxhaist]

As long as people see protesters covered in their own blood and unarmed while being bludgeoned, there is the chance that people will be woken up out of their reality show induced stupors

[Ele'ill]

As long as people see protesters covered in their own blood and unarmed while being bludgeoned, there is the chance that people will be woken up out of their reality show induced stupors


I doubt it. The news is a reality show to them. They are desensitized to everthing. When they see something shocking and the person they're emotionally trusting at the time happens to be a reporter or one of those stuntcock shocking-moment show narrators and the reporter and stuntcock guy laugh and play it off as OK to beat people who are demonstrating - then you will have the viewer tag along and be OK with it as well.

This also works the same way for people on the left watching demonstration footage filmed and narrated by a leftist. The viewers will see a demonstrator or group of demonstrators do something abnormally violent at the same time the narrator is explaining or otherwise justifying why the demonstrators are acting this way. The viewers have already identified with the narrator being a leftist like they are - and thus get sucked into a comfort zone of false understanding and false acceptance.

[MikeSC]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8004222.stm

Holy fuck.

Sorry for jumping all over you spetsnaz, I thought you were making excuses.

Anyway, not a heart attack after all. Internal haemorrhaging, they think.

[danyboy27]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8004222.stm

Holy fuck.

Sorry for jumping all over you spetsnaz, I thought you were making excuses.

Anyway, not a heart attack after all. Internal haemorrhaging, they think.


still, if you reverse the situation and there is a bunch of capitalist who are making a demonstration with a fews assoles making trouble inside, we will have to do something to limit the damages done. in order not to act like a more civilized people, new techniques should be created for crowd control.

basicly, sending a bunch of security forces/cops against the protest have terribly negative effect for any society, communist or not.

on the other hand, something should be made to limit damages made to people and stuff.

perhaps new technologies could do the trick, or perhaps its just a matter of protocol.

[danyboy27]

btw tanks you for the bad rep, dont quite know who is the anonymous coward behing this but eh, no balls

[MikeSC]

btw tanks you for the bad rep, dont quite know who is the anonymous coward behing this but eh, no balls

Don't look at me- don't think I've got enough posts. Just a "Thanks" button yet (for the unrestricted).

[Bud Struggle]

btw tanks you for the bad rep, dont quite know who is the anonymous coward behing this but eh, no balls

One of the funny things about being in OI is that you have no idea or way of finding out who gives you good reps or bad reps.:confused:

[RedKnight]

I wonder what our response would be if it were someone who took part in a neo-nazi rally was clubbed by police? :D I think that police expect the worst from us, because of our radical political views. They have a "red scare". We have a reputation for violence, whether or not it's deserved. Case in point, Haymarket Square. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Riot

[Pogue]

I wonder what our response would be if it were someone who took part in a neo-nazi rally was clubbed by police? I think that police expect the worst from us, because of our radical political views. They have a "red scare". We have a reputation for violence, whether or not it's deserved. Case in point, Haymarket Square. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Riot

I think that is irrelevant because it wasn't a Neo-nazi protest, the guy who died wasn't a neo-nazi and there was no violence apart from four people who smashed a window. What we're saying is we made a peaceful protest, Ian Tomlinson wasn't even protesting and was innocent, peaceful and totally law abiding like we all were and he got killed. If a man who wasn't even involved was killed by the police tactics on the protest what does that tell you about police tactics on the protest?

[danyboy27]

Don't look at me- don't think I've got enough posts. Just a "Thanks" button yet (for the unrestricted).

i know its not you, you dont act like a coward and when you dont like something you openly express it. Still, there is a coward who actually put a bad red telling me that i wasnt wanted here, and calling me quote assole quote. i am just wondering who is the coward, but i dont expect much, people with no balls hit and run all the time like that so i might never see him again.