Kurt Cobain

[ComradeChe]

This great man,
what do you think about his band?
his music?
his death?

[suffianr]

I'm just sorry that he had to be married to that stupid cow, his music was good, though.

[GWF]

Nirvana really rules, Kurt was a real genius, and he stayed loyal to his roots! Have you ever seen the documentary "kurt & Courtney" It's really good, to bad he's dead, was it suicide or murder, what do you think ComradeChe?

[ComradeChe]

All talk about suicide, but one day I've read something that a friend of him says its not a suicide its a murder, but you know he left a suicide note.
so i really dont know

[ComradeChe]

Kurt's suicide note.

To Boddah

Speaking from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complain-ee. This note should be pretty easy to understand. All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years, since my first introduction to the, shall we say, the ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true. I haven't felt the excitement of listening to as well as creating music along with reading and writing for too many years now. I feel guilty beyond words about these things. For example when we're backstage and the lights go out and the manic roar of the crowd begins, it doesn't affect me the way in which it did for Freddy Mercury, who seem to love, relish in the love and adoration from the crowd, which is somehting I totally admire and envy. The fact is, I can't fool you, any one of you. It simply isn't fair to you or me. The worst crime I can think of would be to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if I'm having 100% fun. Sometimes I feel as if I should have a punch-in time clock before I walk out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it (and I do, God believe me I do, but it's not enough). I appreciate the fact that I and we have affected and entertained a lot of people. I must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're gone. I'm too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasm I once had as a child. On our last 3 tours, I've had a much better appreciation for all the people I've known personally and as fans of our music, but I still can't get over the frustration, the guilt and empathy I have for everyone. There's good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much, so much that it makes me feel too fucking sad. The sad little sensitive, unappreciative, Pisces, Jesus man. Why don't you just enjoy it? I don't know! I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what I used to be, full of love and joy, kissing every person she meets because everyone is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point where I can barely function. I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miseraable, self-destructive, death rocker that I've become. I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven, I've become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along and have empathy. Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess. Thank you all from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody, baby! I don't have the passion anymore, and so remember, it's better to burn out then to fade away. Peace, Love, Empathy. Kurt Cobain.

Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your altar

Please keep going Courtney,

for Frances.

for her life will be so much happier

without me. I LOVE YOU. I LOVE YOU

[Rob]

the handwriting in the letter changes. and kurt's corpse had so much heroin in it, he would've died before he could roll his sleeve down, much less shoot himself. suicide, i think not

[RedCeltic]

Ehhh? I was in United Arab Emarites when he died and all I could say was.. Kirk who? Kirk as in kirk and Mr. Spock? Nervana?? You mean the place you go in the hindu relgion??? Eh? what are you people talking about? Are you "Neo Hippies?"


ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha anyone who took dat seriously ha ha ha ba fongu!

[Optimus Prime]

Man who sold the world is a David Bowie lyric

[GWF]

The suicide note wasn't a suicide note is was a goodbye note to Nirvana, because Kurt wanted to quit Nirvana.

[pixie]

I've had lots of comversations with people who think kurt was murdered.

I don't believe that he was murdered, he killed himself, it's pretty obviouse.
Read lyrics to his songs, it's like he really wanted to die, and all the crap tom grant has been saying in the past years could have easily been made up by himself.
Just accept it, the man is dead, suicide or murder it doesn't matter, he's dead.

[Zippy]

I'm reading "Heavier Than Heaven" at the minute and i've gone back to listening to Nirvana, they're a great band.

As for his death, the man was on a suicide mission since he was in his teenage years. Courtney didn't kill him, i only had to listen to her talking about Kurts death and i could tell she was hurt, i know in my heart she didn't kill him.

Pixie > You a fan of The Pixies or is your name in a Nirvana thread just a coincidence? :)

Zippy.

[man in the red suit]

Nirvana is the greatest band in the history of the universe. I worship Kurt. He is god. I worship him more than I do, Che. He was married to a total ***** but she didn't murder him. That is really stupid, even if Kurt was ful of heroin. I would think that the police would do a better investigation if they thought he was murdered.
As pixie said, he is dead, it is a hard pill to swallow but we all have to deal with it. One of the greatest shames though is how all music went downhill after Nirvana's demise. Take for example such embarassments to good music like pop, nu-metal, EMO, and rap, if you even dare call rap "music" If I had one wish, I would wish Kurt back to life but that won't happen will it? oh how I miss nirvana and how sad I am that I never got to see one of their concerts.

btw how many Nirvana cd's do all you guys have. I collect all their singles and unreleased tracks. I am up to 134 nirvana cd's in my collection. Any of you guys beating me yet?

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Zippy on 7:48 pm on June 13, 2002
I'm reading "Heavier Than Heaven" at the minute and i've gone back to listening to Nirvana, they're a great band.



Zippy.


As much as you hate me, I must agree that "Heavier than Heaven" is one of the greatest bios on nirvana. If I could recomend one more, read "come as you are."

and yes, THEY ARE THE GREATEST BAND!!!!

[guerrillaradio]

If Kurt hadn't died when he did, then Nirvana would not be half as big as they are now. Who cares whether he committed suicide or was killed?? He died, and Nirvana's record sales tripled as a result.


I worship Kurt. He is god.

Not another one. I used to have so many friends who faked depression cos they were obsessed with him too. It's not cool to try and emulate one of the most tragic figures in music history. If you really appreciated him, you would realise that he didn't want to be worshipped, and that's one of the main reasons he did what he did (whatever that was). He hated success, he didn't want teens "worshipping" him. Take a step back and think about it.

Now, onto my opinion of Nirvana and Cobain. Nirvana are from the greatest band ever, they're not even the best grunge band. i have much more time for Alice in Chains personally, and I think Layne Staley is another sad story. I like In Utero and Nevermind has its moments, but Nirvana are grossly overrated. I do like them, but I don't love them. I do have a certain respect for Cobain though, he had an integrity and genuinity which was unique in the early 90s music industry (a time of hair metal, Axl Rose, gangsta rap and baggy junkies).

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 12:59 pm on June 14, 2002
If Kurt hadn't died when he did, then Nirvana would not be half as big as they are now. Who cares whether he committed suicide or was killed?? He died, and Nirvana's record sales tripled as a result.


I worship Kurt. He is god.

Not another one. I used to have so many friends who faked depression cos they were obsessed with him too. It's not cool to try and emulate one of the most tragic figures in music history. If you really appreciated him, you would realise that he didn't want to be worshipped, and that's one of the main reasons he did what he did (whatever that was). He hated success, he didn't want teens "worshipping" him. Take a step back and think about it.

Now, onto my opinion of Nirvana and Cobain. Nirvana are from the greatest band ever, they're not even the best grunge band. i have much more time for Alice in Chains personally, and I think Layne Staley is another sad story. I like In Utero and Nevermind has its moments, but Nirvana are grossly overrated. I do like them, but I don't love them. I do have a certain respect for Cobain though, he had an integrity and genuinity which was unique in the early 90s music industry (a time of hair metal, Axl Rose, gangsta rap and baggy junkies).

if he didn't want me to worship him then he shouldn't of made such dam good music. Kurt was pretty stupid, as much as I love his music. I don't pretend to be suicidal or any of that stupid shit. I just love his music. I don't literally WORSHIP him. I just got my room full of his posters and I got a lot of his cd's. It's not like I go to his grave and create altars of him, no. I just think he's a great musician. You don't actually think that I "worship" him do you. You have said what every other Nirvana hater I know, has said. "oh, he didn't want to be worshiped" big deal!!! I don't care what he would of wanted. As I said before, if he didn't want to be worshiped he shouldn't of made such dam good music.

[Menshevik]

I think Courtney hired someone to kill him. He had enough heroine in him to kill a horse, he wouldn't have been able to stand up, let alone pick up a shotgun and blow his head off. Just look at how much money courtney made off his death. She is a serious biatch.

[Zippy]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 5:41 am on June 14, 2002
One of the greatest shames though is how all music went downhill after Nirvana's demise.
Yeah, everything has just gone downhill since 1994. *sighs*


Quote: from man in the red suit on 5:41 am on June 14, 2002
I am up to 134 nirvana cd's in my collection.
Not being rude, and i know this is slightly petty, but with 5 albums, and numerous singles, and then you add bootleg cd's on top of that, i refuse to beleive there are 134 different Nirvana cd's out there.

PS. I don't "hate" you, i just think you are a little foolish sometimes. :)

Zippy.

[man in the red suit]

alright, fair enough. I have indeed been more than a bit foolish.

they actually have 6 cd's and there are so many bootlegs, you wouldn't believe. they actually have colse to around 200 cd's !! I'm trying to collect them all but it gets harder and harder and harder to find the ones that you don't have. I actually have less than 134 because I got a few cdr ones. some guy must of have ripped me off. that bastard. i probly have more like 124. I get em all off of ebay.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Menshevik on 7:03 pm on June 14, 2002
I think Courtney hired someone to kill him. He had enough heroine in him to kill a horse, he wouldn't have been able to stand up, let alone pick up a shotgun and blow his head off. Just look at how much money courtney made off his death. She is a serious biatch.


that is definitey something to think about. I have heard many of my friends think that. My Russian comunist friend thinks the same thing. I have gone back and forth believing each side of the story but does it really matter?
he's dead and that sucks big time. Finding out how he died won't solve anything. He's dead and buried and there's not much we can do about that is there?

The heroin thing makes sense along with courtney's bithchiness. She is indeed a *****. however I know that if the police suspected murder, they would of done a thorough investigation. Don't give me any conspiracy crap either. Courtney didn't pay off the police or anything like that. As someone here already said. That guy was out on a suicide mission from the day he was born. I also understand his position. I wouldn't be happy if I had tons of money and had to play at concerts which I get no pleasure out of. He killed himself, he was murdered, who cares? I don't bother to beatmyself up over it.

[Zippy]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 7:13 pm on June 14, 2002
they actually have 6 cd's
Nothing is as much fun as arguing over minor details, is there?


Quote: from man in the red suit on 7:13 pm on June 14, 2002
and there are so many bootlegs.
Bootlegs don't interest me in the slightest. I don't know why, i like the idea of collecting them, but i just can't be arsed with them. :)

Zippy.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Zippy on 7:30 pm on June 14, 2002

Quote: from man in the red suit on 7:13 pm on June 14, 2002
they actually have 6 cd's
Nothing is as much fun as arguing over minor details, is there?


Quote: from man in the red suit on 7:13 pm on June 14, 2002
and there are so many bootlegs.
Bootlegs don't interest me in the slightest. I don't know why, i like the idea of collecting them, but i just can't be arsed with them. :)

Zippy.

lol no technically you right. From the Muddy Banks of The Wishkah is just a compilation of all their previously realeased live tracks. The main five are Bleach, Nevermind, INcesticide, In Utero, and Unpugged. Plus they have their VERY first cd which was called "cleen needles" sorry to get all nitpicky but I love to get technical over Nirvana and music

I also agree on the bootlegs. Some of them are awesome, but mostly I just try to collect them. Singles are really good though. The singles are worth it for the previously unreleased tracks. they are excellent. You haven't truly heard nirvana until you get all of the singles. Just when you think you've heard it all, there's more. I got all of the nevermind and in utero singles in the box set from germany, and man are they awesome!!
Get some singles and bootlegs!!!!!!!!!

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 7:01 pm on June 14, 2002
if he didn't want me to worship him then he shouldn't of made such dam good music. Kurt was pretty stupid, as much as I love his music. I don't pretend to be suicidal or any of that stupid shit. I just love his music. I don't literally WORSHIP him. I just got my room full of his posters and I got a lot of his cd's. It's not like I go to his grave and create altars of him, no. I just think he's a great musician. You don't actually think that I "worship" him do you. You have said what every other Nirvana hater I know, has said. "oh, he didn't want to be worshiped" big deal!!! I don't care what he would of wanted. As I said before, if he didn't want to be worshiped he shouldn't of made such dam good music.


Wow...you must be a real fan, someone who cares not for the band's wishes. And if you don't mean you worship, then don't say you do. Jesus Christ, MitRS, it's one mistake after another with you isn't it. You remind me of Stephen fucking Byers (non-Brits probably won't know who I'm talking about)...

[Fabi]

i love cobain's lyrics... i love that they are short, i love the alliteration, i love the play with words i love the apathy....

but i am not a huge nirvana fan.... i listen to them every once in a while...

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 9:38 pm on June 14, 2002

Quote: from man in the red suit on 7:01 pm on June 14, 2002
if he didn't want me to worship him then he shouldn't of made such dam good music. Kurt was pretty stupid, as much as I love his music. I don't pretend to be suicidal or any of that stupid shit. I just love his music. I don't literally WORSHIP him. I just got my room full of his posters and I got a lot of his cd's. It's not like I go to his grave and create altars of him, no. I just think he's a great musician. You don't actually think that I "worship" him do you. You have said what every other Nirvana hater I know, has said. "oh, he didn't want to be worshiped" big deal!!! I don't care what he would of wanted. As I said before, if he didn't want to be worshiped he shouldn't of made such dam good music.


Wow...you must be a real fan, someone who cares not for the band's wishes. And if you don't mean you worship, then don't say you do. Jesus Christ, MitRS, it's one mistake after another with you isn't it. You remind me of Stephen fucking Byers (non-Brits probably won't know who I'm talking about)...


what is your problem?! cool it man. what have I done to you? Really, calm down. we all make mistakes in our wording. We are not all perfect like you. Just chill out. Jesus fucking Christ!! what is your problem? You have nothing but hatred. What happened to love and peace ?
Just take a chill pill or somethin cuz you seriously need out mellow out.

[Rob]

so who's this Byers fellow?

[Mazdak]

hey, nirvana rules. I become a fan almost oovernight and now have alot of the unreleased and rarites.

Endless nameless rules!

[pastradamus]

"did ne body see curt? i gave him my shotgun & the muthafucka never gave it back!" -XZIBIT

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 12:41 am on June 15, 2002
Just take a chill pill or somethin cuz you seriously need out mellow out.

Yeah...I think I'll borrow some of your heroin eh?? My problem is that you constantly say the stupidest things and insult people on this board through utter moronicity (does such a word exist btw??). And then instead of apologising, you tell I'm "silly" self-harming. I dunno, I give up. Maybe I should just ignore you and feel glad that the current system will prevent you from ever getting into power. Some people are just beyond redemption...

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Rob on 2:10 am on June 15, 2002
so who's this Byers fellow?

Stephen Byers was the British Minister of Transport until a few weeks ago. He only got there in the first place cos he was a personal friend of Blair's, and he only managed to stay there so long for the same reason. He made one blunder after another, including sending the state-run railway service (Railtrack) into administration, and refusing to sack one of his aides (Jo Moore) when a memo leaked from her dated Sept 11, claiming that that day would be "a good day to bury bad news". He finally sacked her when she sent an almost identical memo on the day of the Queen Mother's death. He then told the press that his press secretary (Martin Sixsmith) had resigned while Sixsmith was claiming that he was still in the job. Eventually, Sixsmith was sacked but Byers still claimed that he resigned. Byers himself eventually resigned last month when he told the press that the Government was pro-Euro, something Blair was trying to keep secret.

[Anonymous]

i have just started reading a biography on cobain and he was one pretty messed up person. Musically a genius im my opinion tho. he wasnt even left handed he just played that way for some reason.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from kill The Capitalists on 6:47 pm on June 19, 2002
i have just started reading a biography on cobain and he was one pretty messed up person.

yeah kind of like guerilla radio who seems to think that everything I say is a personal attack on him and his family. (sorry I'm pissed)

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 11:10 pm on June 19, 2002

Quote: from kill The Capitalists on 6:47 pm on June 19, 2002
i have just started reading a biography on cobain and he was one pretty messed up person.

yeah kind of like guerilla radio who seems to think that everything I say is a personal attack on him and his family. (sorry I'm pissed)

You're not sorry but who cares. Posts of that calibre don't deserve a measured response.

[man in the red suit]

THEN WHY DO YOU RESPOND!!!!!

and if you really care, I am sorry, only not to you. I only apologize to anyone who actually has a good reason to be mad like historical fires. You just like to be *****y for no pparent reason.

(Edited by man in the red suit at 10:47 pm on June 21, 2002)

[guerrillaradio]

For fuck's sake, go and read a book or something useful...

[man in the red suit]

for fuck's sake, I've probly read more books than you fucking think. fuck fuck fuck fuck. look at me, I'm a "guerilla" who can use the word fuck in every other sentence I say. Just stop the hate already.

[guerrillaradio]

Well at least I don't succeed it with the word "Palestine"...

[man in the red suit]

ok........

[Mazdak]

Wow, cat fight

LOL

And, what the hell does Palestine have to do with Nirvana? I dont think any were Arab or jewish. Why dont we stick to the topic

PS-Nirvana Rules

[man in the red suit]

heLL yEaH!!!

yeah, I really had no idea what gorillagag was saying about palestine. The "ok...." was me trying to show him my confusion.

[deadpool 52]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 5:59 pm on June 14, 2002


If Kurt hadn't died when he did, then Nirvana would not be half as big as they are now.


If you really appreciated him, you would realise that he didn't want to be worshipped, and that's one of the main reasons he did what he did (whatever that was). He hated success, he didn't want teens "worshipping" him.

Nirvana are from the greatest band ever, they're not even the best grunge band.

Maybe.

Yes.

And yes.

[Smoking Frog II]

I read his suicide letter.
It was sad