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ÑóẊîöʼn
3rd April 2009, 03:29
The Crimes of Christianity (http://www.ftarchives.net/foote/crimes/contents.htm#contents)

This is truly an eye-opening work. Even a staunch critic of religion such as myself learned many new things, and for this reason I present it to all of you. Not only is it a truly exhaustive list of the crimes of Christendom throughout it's formative centuries, but it also reveals that the entire rickety edifice of Christian theology is constructed of pious lies, holy frauds and sanctimonious forgeries. Liberally littered with footnotes throughout, I consider this essential reading for all who have the remotest interest in the matter.

Random Precision
3rd April 2009, 05:54
Blaming events on any ideology or system of beliefs throws materialism out the window.

ÑóẊîöʼn
3rd April 2009, 06:08
Blaming events on any ideology or system of beliefs throws materialism out the window.

Not when material human beings that genuinely believe in the ideologies/belief systems in question have the opportunity to affect the material world in accordance with their beliefs. Plus cynical manipulators to take advantage of such people - it seems that Constantine (and others) used the nascent Christian faith as a tool to secure his own power.

Ideas on their own are powerless. But when people take them seriously, that is when they have power.

JimmyJazz
3rd April 2009, 06:23
Blaming events on any ideology or system of beliefs throws materialism out the window.

But we can at the very least prove that Christianity has been as bad as any other ideology which has survived for as long--even if it hasn't been particularly bad.

When the followers of an ideology claim that it is flawless and divine, showing that it follows materialist forces is all you need to show to disprove such extravagant claims.

Thanks NoXion, I have a friend who is doubting based on textual evidence (over 30,000 different variations in the biblical text just in the manuscripts that we still have, the shady politics behind the formation of the canon, etc.). I'll forward this to him and maybe it will be another nail in the coffin.

Kappie
4th April 2009, 13:54
From the article:
WHEN Jesus Christ had disappeared from this world, in what manner it is beside our purpose to discuss, the Jewish sect he had founded continued to assemble at Jerusalem. The infant Church was under the leadership of Simon Peter, and it observed the communistic maxims which Jesus had enjoined. Every member sold his property and paid the proceeds into the common exchequer.

One married couple, however, named Ananias and Sapphira, retained a portion of the price of their estate for their private use. This having come to the knowledge of Peter, he taxed them in succession with their offence, and each fell down dead in his presence. Their corpses were immediately buried by the godly young men who were waiting in the chamber of execution (Acts 5:1-10).What problem could a Communist have with that?

ÑóẊîöʼn
4th April 2009, 15:03
From the article: What problem could a Communist have with that?

You really think they just dropped down dead like that? I'd say they were murdered. Over a bit of money for private use? Hardly a great crime worthy of the death penalty in a society where money is still genuinely useful. That'd be like executing someone for selling their house but not handing over the contents of their wallet. Talk about overreacting.

Kappie
4th April 2009, 15:24
You really think they just dropped down dead like that? I'd say they were murdered. Over a bit of money for private use? Hardly a great crime worthy of the death penalty in a society where money is still genuinely useful. That'd be like executing someone for selling their house but not handing over the contents of their wallet. Talk about overreacting.I assumed murder was the culprit. However, it does seem like something that many Communists would advocate, after all they were traitors to the cause. If they were allowed to get away with their crime, then soon enough everyone in the group would be doing it! Hell, Che killed people for less and Commies hail him as a great hero.

#FF0000
4th April 2009, 15:28
I assumed murder was the culprit. However, it does seem like something that many Communists would advocate, after all they were traitors to the cause. If they were allowed to get away with their crime, then soon enough everyone in the group would be doing it! Hell, Che killed people for less and Commies hail him as a great hero.

The people Che killed were killed for thing anybody would get executed for. Like, you know, war crimes. Not to mention he was fighting a brutal, US backed dictator, but...

Either way, if it seems like something communists would advocate, then you need to do a bit more reading.

ÑóẊîöʼn
4th April 2009, 15:33
I assumed murder was the culprit. However, it does seem like something that many Communists would advocate, after all they were traitors to the cause.

Not the communist cause, that's for damn sure. Even if they were, it seems entirely unwarranted even without knowing the details of the situation. Not all scenarios call for the uncompromising sledgehammer approach.


If they were allowed to get away with their crime, then soon enough everyone in the group would be doing it! Hell, Che killed people for less and Commies hail him as a great hero.Not all of them. Even those that do are still free to criticise his actions, whatever they were. Che was a human being with all that entails, meaning he is far from beyond reproach.

Kappie
4th April 2009, 15:43
Not the communist cause, that's for damn sure. Even if they were, it seems entirely unwarranted even without knowing the details of the situation. Not all scenarios call for the uncompromising sledgehammer approach.Traitors to the Christian cause, as they were Christians. However, history is replete with many Communists and other Leftist revolutionaries who were quite brutal in their discipline. Che was just one example. There are many on RevLeft even who I am sure would not be too perturbed over such "justice." Hell, just look at this thread:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/che-killeri-t71741/index.html

#FF0000
4th April 2009, 16:54
Traitors to the Christian cause, as they were Christians. However, history is replete with many Communists and other Leftist revolutionaries who were quite brutal in their discipline. Che was just one example. There are many on RevLeft even who I am sure would not be too perturbed over such "justice." Hell, just look at this thread:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/che-killeri-t71741/index.html

Well, by all means condemn someone without even bothering to take into consideration the historical context.

ITT: people are bad at history, annoy Rorschach.

Communist Theory
4th April 2009, 17:14
The murder of countless Native Americans!

LOLseph Stalin
4th April 2009, 17:21
The murder of countless Native Americans!


Speaking of Native Americans, did you guys have Residental schools in the US? That's definitely a crime of christianity. After the natives were forced onto reserves, their children were forced into church run schools. They were intended to make them "more European". They were taught Christianity, English and various other things. If they went back to their old native customs they were beaten and other horrible things. :(

Brother No. 1
9th April 2009, 00:49
They didnt just murder them they tried to destroy their way of life and put their own way of life to the Native Americans. The Christians thought the Natives were a backward people that needed to be shown "the light." Even Christopher Cloumbus treated the Native americans poorly and tried to instale Christainity there. Christians believe that they are always right and that their way is always right. Both them and their Religion are wrong. Besides turning and forcing a people into something they dont want to be? Thats called Imperialism I believe and destroying their culture,invading their lands,killing their food supply. there are many crimes the Christains have done in america and our world.