Log in

View Full Version : G20 protests latest news



Bitter Ashes
1st April 2009, 14:29
Will update as it comes in. I'm just sticking to the stuff directly regarding the protests here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7973178.stm


2100 With G20 leaders enjoying supper, Climate Camp preparing for a night on a road and protesters at the Bank of England wondering when the police will let them go, that's it for today's live text coverage of the events leading up to the G20 summit. Live text coverage will resume at 0700 on Thursday. Delegates will begin arriving at 0730 and then it will be a mad dash to 1530 when Gordon Brown is due to deliver his closing statement.

2023 The BBC's Ben Brown in the City says: There is now a stand-off between protesters and the police. The protesters are penned in - they want to leave, but the police won't let them.

1925 Channel 4 news is on right now. They're saying that the batons have come out at the Bank of England and also saying that some protesters have managed to get inside the Bank of England too. They've not elaborated on it though.

1922 The BBC's Mark Georgiou asks: What happens now? The climate camp protestors want to spend the night on Bishopsgate and it looks increasingly like the police are not going to let that happen.

1915 The BBC's Robert Hall at Bishopsgate says: There has been no violence here all day, but the trouble at the Bank of England has changed the atmosphere with police in the past 15 minutes. The police seem keen to prevent anyone at the peace camp leaving to join the protests at the Bank of England.

1910 The BBC's Ben Brown near the Bank of England says: Protesters have set up barricades in the street and appear to have started fires.

1857 A statement from Scotland Yard says that officers in the City "are now working towards a controlled dispersal, where groups of people will be allowed to leave".

1847 The BBC's Danny Shaw at Scotland Yard says: Commander Simon O'Brien has told reporters that officers are collecting evidence about those involved in today's trouble. He said the Met will "pursue a post-event investigation" - people will be visited by police and arrested.

1841 The BBC's Ben Brown in the City says: I've spoken to some protesters with blood on their faces. They say they can't get out to get those injuries treated because of the police cordon.

1812 The BBC's Dominic Casciani says: I'm at the Bishopsgate climate camp and its fairly clear they want to be here for the rest of the night. There are loo tents, food stalls and discussion groups. There's some good music - and some lousy guitar playing. It feels like the summer festivals without the mud.

1802 The BBC's Rob Broomby near the Bank of England says: Something of a siege taking place here now, provoking some clashes. People angry, but getting weary - they've been held in just a few narrow streets for a number of hours now.

1734 The BBC's Andy Tighe with Scotland Yard's Gold Command says: Police say officers have suffered only minor injuries during the protests, although one is in hospital. The Met also insists that its response has been "proportionate".

1654 The BBC's Ben Brown in the City says: The demonstrators are not free to move around. The police are closing off street after street.

1653 The BBC's Mark Georgiou says: Until now the climate camp protest has had a peaceful, almost carnival atmosphere. However, in last half an hour a different sort of demonstrator has started to arrive - clad in black, masked and aggressive.

1630 The BBC's Dominic Hurst texts: Interesting chatter on twitter at the moment. Some protestors are saying police are calm and fair and letting them have a good day out.

1625 The BBC's Dominic Casciani says: Its a completely different mood at Trafalgar Square. A few thousand people have come down here for the Stop the War Coalition march. It's a classic demo calling for troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan, a bit of Palestinian solidarity and a nuclear-free world.

1610 BBC reporter Ben Brown on Threadneedle Street says: Just after four o'clock, riot police charged the demonstrators. We don't know why, but there were some violent scenes.

1601 The BBC's Dominic Hurst texts: Standoff in Queen Victoria Street. Approx 50 police in riot gear surrounded by protesters chanting "our streets". Some pushing and missile throwing, but police holding the line.

1545 The BBC's Daniel Boettcher says: Police outside the Bank of England are trying to disperse the protesters in an orderly fashion. They are opening junction after junction once they feel they are in control.

1545 The BBC's Daniel Boettcher says: Police outside the Bank of England are trying to disperse the protesters in an orderly fashion. They are opening junction after junction once they feel they are in control.

1540 The BBC's Dominic Casciani says: If the demonstrators set out to stop the City then they have succeeded. We've been walking down street after street as if cars don't exist. Police are hemming in protesters who they think might want a confrontation, but many others are drifting about looking for something to do.

1532 Scotland Yard says 23 arrests have been made so far, including 11 in connection with possession of police uniforms, one for threatening behaviour, two for violent disorder, one for indecency and two for breach of the peace.

1530 The BBC's Mark Georgiou says: At the climate camp protest there is an almost Glastonbury atmosphere with music and meditation.

1510 The BBC's Danny Shaw says: Police sources say the mood has changed at the protest - now a lot calmer than it was before. Officers are starting to disperse some of the protesters, and will look out for people who are "of interest".

1508 In a statement, the Royal Bank of Scotland says it had already taken the precaution of closing its Threadneedle Street branch, as well as other outlets in the City. "The safety of our employees and our customers is of paramount importance to us," it adds.

1505 The BBC's Tom Symonds says: The cordon outside the Bank of England has been relaxed and protesters have been allowed to leave to the West.

1441 The BBC's Rob Broomby outside the Bank of England says: Something of a standoff now. Police have pushed protesters further down Threadneedle Street. Two protesters managed to get on to the roof of the Bank of England. Police dogs brought in, police are in riot gear. Some protesters are hooded and wearing balaclavas - looking like they are here to cause trouble.

1422 The BBC's Mark Georgiou says: Police horses move to line up outside RBS. Firework thrown

1417 The BBC's Mark Georgiou says: Police in riot gear are slowly clearing the area in front of RBS on Threadneedle Street. It is noisy and the occasional missle is thrown. One protestor has bared his backside to the police. I've not seen any arrests so far. Police seem happy just to contain crowd.

1412 The BBC's Dominic Casciani at Bishopsgate says: Calm here. Campers are putting up tents and police are not stopping them. Organisers say they will be here for 24 hours and food is being served. Organisers wearing sashes are announcng climate change workshops for anyone here for the long haul.

1405 The BBC's Daniel Boettcher says: A dozen or so police officers are putting on riot gear. On this corner of Threadneedle Street some of the protesters have been surging forward trying to push through the police line. The police have blocked off all approaches to the square, they are letting people out but no one back in again.

1352 The BBC's Mark Georgiou texts: More windows broken at RBS - some protestors in building.

1345 BBC correspondents report that windows of a branch of Royal Bank of Scotland in the City have been broken.

1315 BBC reporter Dominic Casciani says: Climate Camp protesters have occupied Bishopsgate outside the Climate Exchange, where carbon emission permits are traded. Atmosphere is carnival-like among at least 500 people - police are invisible other than vans shielding the exchange offices.

1315 BBC reporter Ben Brown outside the Bank of England says: Protesters have been scrawling graffiti on the walls of the Bank. There have been some scuffles in the last few minutes. Some of the demonstrators have been clashing with the police. No large-scale violence but pushing and shoving.

1309 Commander Simon O'Brien from the Metropolitan Police's Gold Command centre says the 3-4,000 people now outside the Bank of England did not tell the police their plans, making decisions about policing levels "very difficult".

1258 The BBC's Mark Georgiou texts: The crowd outside the Bank of England is getting increasingly tense. The police line in Threadneedle street is becoming the focus of loud attention.

1253 Scotland Yard says the number of people arrested now stands at 11.

1252 BBC producer Dominic Hurst texts: Protesters are penned into the square outside the Bank of England. A police officer said "we've been told not to let anyone out". The [police] tactics are like the Mayday protest in London's Oxford Street some years ago.

1230 City workers have been leaning out of windows to wave £10 notes at G20 protesters on the streets below, the Press Association reports. Demonstrators responded with jeers and shouts, their reporter says.

1220 BBC's Dominic Casciani texts: About two dozen black-clad men have charged police lines on Cornhill at Bank. There were minor skirmishes but the group sprinted away. Otherwise calm. A few minutes ago it got noisier when someone popped a head over the balcony of the governor of the Bank of England's office.

1209 Scotland Yard says eight people have been arrested after being found in possession of police uniforms. They were thought to be travelling in the armoured vehicle stopped earlier. Police estimate there are about 3,000 protestors in the City of London.

1206 More than 10,000 police officers are involved in this security operation, which has been dubbed - perhaps with questionable judgment - Glencoe, also the name of a 17th century massacre.

1202 BBC producer Dominic Hurst texts: Crowds are chanting "one solution revolution" and "climate, justice, peace" outside the Bank of England. Among them are groups of masked protesters from other European countries. Noisy but peaceful.

1153 Protesters at the Bank of England are getting louder, some are chanting: "Revolution". They are calling for the bankers and Gordon Brown to be put on a bonfire.

1148 The BBC's Dominic Hurst texts: Noisy crowd on move from Liverpool St. Peaceful. Police marshalling the line.

1125 More protesters are converging on the Bank of England. Organisers say they are protesting against war, climate chaos and financial crimes. Some of the crowd, surrounded by journalists and photographers, are chanting "storm the banks".

1125 BBC roving reporter Dominic Casciani in the City of London says: Police are now allowing the first co-ordinated groups of protesters to move through back streets in the City towards the Bank of England. The protesters are carrying one of the "Four Horseman of the Apocalypse", part of the "Financial Fools' Day" rally.

1115 BBC roving reporter Dominic Casciani in the City of London says: A large number of protesters who assembled at Liverpool Street station have been told by the police that they will not be allowed to march onto Bishopsgate - one of the main routes through the City.

1110 Those helicopters above the Bank of England are not, so far as we're aware, for hurling money out of in a last-ditch stimulus effort.

1101 BBC producer James Harrod texts : Police helicopters circling above Bank of England. About 150 protestors gathered, nearly as many camera crews and journalists.

1038 Police in London have stopped a group of demonstrators in an armoured vehicle. They are now questioning about a dozen protesters.

0949 BBC roving reporter Dominic Casciani outside the Bank of England says: The policing is relaxed but visible. The square has been largely sealed off with crowd control barriers but about 50 protesters on bicycles have made their way through and set up a little sound system.

0700 For two days the eyes of the world are on London. The city has battened down the hatches for a huge security lockdown as world leaders, and demonstrators, gather. We'll be following every diplomatic pas de deux and protesters' placard.

Bitter Ashes
1st April 2009, 14:54
latest update edited into the top of the original post

MikeSC
1st April 2009, 14:57
Did anyone watch Newsnight last night? Hippies playing games, students with neckbeards talking about how they're going to take over. "Rainforest hymns" or something silly like that. :(

Bitter Ashes
1st April 2009, 15:16
updated again. I think the police might have just accepted that they've bitten off more than they can chew.

Dóchas
1st April 2009, 15:19
updated again. I think the police might have just accepted that they've bitten off more than they can chew.

ye i think thats because most of the protestors wanted to leave but were not allowed for some reason

Bitter Ashes
1st April 2009, 15:26
Yup. The police penned them all in and I think they've just realised that was a bad idea to toy with several thousand angry people and are backpeddling furiously.
Also, two more updates. Looks like a little respect went a long way.

MikeSC
1st April 2009, 15:41
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/mar/31/g20-protests-chris-knight :thumbup1:

He seems like a cool bloke. This all seems like a complete anti-climax, though.

Dóchas
1st April 2009, 15:42
He seems like a cool bloke. This all seems like a complete anti-climax, though.

ye i agree if it was half of what athens and most of greece was then it would be good (minus the shooting of innocents)

Bitter Ashes
1st April 2009, 15:53
last update before I go to work. I'll be back in two hours :)

Bitter Ashes
1st April 2009, 18:31
The updates for the last 2 hours are up. Some pretty significant stuff happened while I was away. Doh!

Stranger Than Paradise
1st April 2009, 18:34
ye i agree if it was half of what athens and most of greece was then it would be good (minus the shooting of innocents)

I know. Maybe it'll get better later. Strasbourg next saturday should put this days action to shame.

Bitter Ashes
1st April 2009, 19:11
Another update.
Intresting how the police are preventing the injured bieng treated. I'm pretty sure that's a violation of international law.

Bitter Ashes
1st April 2009, 19:18
Barricades and fire now. Sounds like they're digging in.

bailey_187
1st April 2009, 19:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTHjNc1CSJk

I'm not an anarchist but this videos quite good

Bitter Ashes
1st April 2009, 19:30
Channel 4 news is on right now. They've said that the batons have come out at the Bank of England and also saying that some protesters have managed to get inside the Bank of England too. They've not elaborated on it though. It's been showing pictures of hooded protestors smashing out windows at RBS with what looked like a traffic bollard. The "fires" looked more like flag burning than molotov cocktails or something.

Stranger Than Paradise
1st April 2009, 19:36
Good video. I really wish someone would go with me to the protest but no one I know is up for it.

Dóchas
1st April 2009, 22:31
I know. Maybe it'll get better later. Strasbourg next saturday should put this days action to shame.

how many are due to turn out?

Stranger Than Paradise
1st April 2009, 22:35
how many are due to turn out?

They say 20 to 50,000

punisa
1st April 2009, 23:19
He seems like a cool bloke. This all seems like a complete anti-climax, though.
Cool professor :thumbup:

communard resolution
1st April 2009, 23:20
A protester died from injuries. This just came in:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090401/tuk-protester-dies-after-g20-violence-dba1618.html

punisa
1st April 2009, 23:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTHjNc1CSJk

I'm not an anarchist but this videos quite good

Dont really care if its anarchist, communist or Stalinist. But that video was beautiful !
Thank you for sharing this, I'll spread it around.

Pogue
1st April 2009, 23:35
One of ours dead, many injuries.

I'd like to take a moment to respond to criticisms of this demonstration by a few people here.

This was intended to be a peaceufl demosntration. We wanted a lively party atmosphere ot make a point, as opposed to violence.

We made this point. We enjoyed ourselves for a bit. Unfortnately, the police responded brutally, ridiculously. Around 4-5pm, mos tof us were ready to go. People had drunk enough, danced enough and have homes to go too. Throughout the day, the police had cordoned off every exit. They prevented us from making our peaceful exit, after our peaceful protest.

As a result, people tried to force their way out. The police responded with gas and batons. As a reuslt of this, one man is now dead.

The critics were not there. I wonder why none of you were there. If you saw the reality of today you would not be critical. Our comrades worked togehter, I saw brave acts of solidarity and mutual aid as people checked each others wellbeing after police charges and carried woudned people to safety, as well as holding on to each other in the mad crush and rush that happened after police baton charges.

We stayed as peaceful as is possible when being attacked throughout, despite huge provocation. I'd like to note how the police killed one of ours. No police were even seriously injured, because we acted defensively and legally throughout.

We saw alot of danger. There were times when whole groups of us were caught between two groups of baton swinging coppers, and I myself narrowly escaped a beating. So think before you criticise our acitons, we defended each other fucking well and did our best, despite injuries, arrests and even a murder. So please don't make stupid criticisms when you weren't there for 7 hours trying to keep yourself and your friends safe.

Saorsa
2nd April 2009, 02:35
I totally agree with what H-L-V-S said. Criticism from afar is always easy - respect to the people that actually got through this.

lcdenom
2nd April 2009, 10:57
Well, this is the first time I've ever posted on this forum, but I just had to say I also agree with H-L-V-S. I was also there yesterday and it was pretty clear that, as is often the case, the police just fancied beating on some people that didn't have the means to fight back. It's important that we all support each other, especially since the protests yesterday represented the interests of many people on here. There certainly has been some unnecessary criticism on here and maybe next time such critics would like to join everyone rather than sit at their computers posting on internet forums about us. Many of us have a common goal, after all.

Bitter Ashes
2nd April 2009, 11:25
Day 2



1653 Police have drawn batons to push back protestors at Royal Exchange buildings near Bank. Officers using dogs to pursue a small group.

1614 The BBC's Dominic Casciani at Canning Town says: Lots of demonstrators have streamed away from ExCeL, a bit bored with the day. They're penned so far away from the G20 that it's all felt a bit like shouting in a sound-proofed room.

1457 Latest G20 arrest figures from Met Police: 101 total, made up of 86 until last night/early hours of this morning and 15 since. Including four arrested at Rampart St squat today.

1441 Bob Geldof, after a diatribe against world leaders, financiers and regulators, turns on demonstrators, telling a blushing Emily Maitlis of the BBC: Protesters should be protesting against themselves because we all sucked on the tit of free money!

1426 A witness to Wednesday's incident in the City when a man died says: I saw him collapse and smash his head and then he was lying there with his eyes wide open. And then a guy in the audience had a megaphone and shouted "police, we need a medic", and within seconds the police had a team of eight people ran forward. And yeah, there was a couple of people throwing bottles and bricks but there was a few other anarchists saying "no, stop this, time out, time out". So within seconds there were no more missiles so the police were with him for a good like two or three minutes before they dragged him back. But as they were dragging him back, then the missiles began.

1415 The BBC's Ben Brown says: There are between 500-600 protesters at the ExCel Centre, representing everything from the anti-war movement to separatists in Ethiopia.

1357 The BBC's Dominic Hurst says: Police in riot gear are detaining around 60 people at a squat in Earl Street in East London. They are questioning them about possible links to yesterday's violence. A crowd of about 30 demonstrators is chanting "shame on you" at police, but the situation is peaceful.

1355 Police have raided two squats looking for people suspected of being involved with yesterday's violence in the City. Police said 80 people were detained at Rampart Street in Aldgate, and Earl Street near Liverpool Street Station.

1345 The BBC's Ben Brown says: There are 300-400 demonstrators in a cordon about quarter of a mile from the ExCel centre. They are quite noisy and quite colourful but very peaceful and very calm.

1216 French free-climber Alain "Spiderman" Robert has attempted to scale the Lloyds building in the City of London as part of a protest. He unfurled a banner and has now returned to the ground.

1205 The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) says it is to "assess" the death of man at a G20 demonstration in London on Wednesday. Investigators will be examining CCTV footage and attending the post-mortem this afternoon, it says in a statement.

1152 The BBC's Dominic Casciani says: I've seen more people turn out to oppose a Tesco supermarket's planning application. This multi-cause demonstration consists of a bloke dressed as a gorilla, various left-wing groups, a polite Ethiopian group and a smattering of NGOs. There is a young woman in a nice sloaney hat gamely struggling under the weight of Socialist Worker banners because she can't find enough people to take them off her hands. Can the G20 see the demo? Let's put it this way: if that famous smoker Barack Obama gets a ciggie break, and if it's up on the roof of Excel, and if he just happens to be looking through some binoculars possibly borrowed from his Secret Service detail, he might just might see a flag half a mile away (subject to the mist).

1140 Stuart Fraser from the City of London Corporation says Wednesday's security operation was a success and the day had a "good carnival atmosphere" on the whole. "The high cost is the price of democracy," he added


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45622000/jpg/_45622610_005076240-1.jpg
1115 The BBC's Ben Brown outside the Excel Centre says: There's room for between 5,000 and 6,000 protesters. Police have been surprised that there are only about 200 protesters here at the moment. One policeman suggested anarchists did not get up very early.

[no time given] The BBC's Dominic Casciani outside the Bank of England, says: It's clean-up day. Workers are slowly putting things right here. The traffic is slowing and life is returning to normal, as gardeners replant the box hedging and clear away the trampled daffodils. The statue of Wellington resplendent upon a horse is covered with graffiti, but that's about to be washe

1019 The BBC's Dominic Casciani at the London Stock Exchange texts: No more protest here. Alternative monopoly players gone home saying they need a sit down and a nice cup of tea.

0810 The BBC's Steve Schifferes says: The huge press area at the Excel Centre for the written media - with hundreds of desks - is still mostly deserted. It may be that the security problems around journalists arriving earlier have delayed many journalists who were hoping to arrive earlier. Staff are passing out G20 notepads and pens in compensation.

0748 The BBC's Richard Westcott says: One man tried to climb a monument in Paternoster Square, not far from the London Stock Exchange until the police stepped in. Other than that, it's quiet there are the moment, with 40 protesters and a game of Monopoly under way.

0739 The BBC's Philip Hampsheir at the London Stock Exchange says there are 150 police officers outside, about the same number of reporters, and just 15 protesters.

0715 The BBC's Peter Machin at ExCel texts: Connaught Bridge leading to ExCel closed. Reason unknown, rumoured to be protester action on bridge. Diversions.

0652 Further protests are expected today - this time the London Stock Exchange and the ExCel Centre will provide the backdrop. There will also be anti-war demonstrations. A massive security operation will be in force once again, with hundreds of police officers on duty at possible flashpoints around the city.

0650 Tragically, a man involved in the protests died on Wednesday evening - after collapsing. The man, thought to be in his 30s, was found unconscious near the Bank of England. Police say bottles were thrown at officers who tried to help him.

0648 The Metropolitan Police say four people arrested during Wednesday's protests have been charged - three with possessing a bladed weapon, and one with assault, the Press Association reports.

0645 A BBC correspondent says a major security problem at the ExCel Centre in the Docklands has stopped members of the media checking in for an hour. Time is ticking, however, as the leaders are due to begin arriving in five minutes ahead of a working breakfast.

0638 On Wednesday, there were several violent incidents in London as thousands of demonstrators took to the streets to protest over capitalism, climate change and war to coincide with the summit. Some smashed their way into a branch of the Royal Bank of Scotland, trashing equipment and daubing graffiti on the walls. Nearly 90 people were arrested. But the protests were generally peaceful.

Bitter Ashes
2nd April 2009, 11:27
Seems vastly different to yesterday already doesnt it?
The number of arrests seems to have quadrupled since yesterday.
Also, the effects of collective bargening are clearly visable. Try to eve climb a monument when there's only a handful of you and you get arrested.

MikeSC
2nd April 2009, 12:37
If that was at my "anti-climax" comment, I didn't mean it as an insult or anything- more a point about how the media has been scaremongering about all the nasty anarchists that are gonna come and be violent for the last couple of weeks.

Bitter Ashes
2nd April 2009, 15:11
Another update. Not much going on today by the looks of things. It just seems like a lot of follow up from yesterday with the police catching up with some of the protestors in that squat.

Rosa Lichtenstein
2nd April 2009, 18:37
Report and pictures here:

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2009/04/riot-police-hammer-protesters.html

Coggeh
2nd April 2009, 18:51
Report and pictures here:

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2009/04/riot-police-hammer-protesters.html
Who the hell was corney enough to bring a "where is the love ?"sign :mellow:

Matty_UK
2nd April 2009, 19:02
No disrespect to people who risked arrest, injury, and even their lives to take part in the G20 protests, but I do wonder what the point is. No-one believes in the vote anymore, at least not anyone there bar perhaps the greens, so I doubt there's many who believe that they need to protest to "send a message" to the G20 as if they don't know people are pissed off. Is it for propaganda? I'm sure some people are inspired by watching the protests on TV enough to get involved, but the trouble is so long as the bourgeoisie monopolise the forms of media that the average person sees, the real story is always going to be skewed so most people who see it feel confused or alienated by the protestors.

I think the problem is the left is still infected with spectacle-liberalism. Mass protests are nowadays a spectacular version of democracy and the elites aren't afraid of them. (unless they were large enough and angry enough to carry out a coup d'etat, which they aren't at this stage) They are of no practical use, get comrades killed for no reason, and allow police and MI5 to identify ringleaders and make files on activists.

Do you think it might be more sensible to make ourselves a bit more invisible nowadays? The less the authorities know about our activities and members, the better. Take actions that are threatening, not just spectacular; we should focus on linking up and co-ordinating strikes and occupations which is easier nowadays than ever, and would it be possible I wonder to organise a boycott of mortgage or debt payments as a way of protesting the bailouts???

brigadista
2nd April 2009, 19:17
I personaly am really turned off by all the street theatre type stuff. What is wrong with an demo with lots of militant chanting? All this other stuff makes it hard to take protest seriously

Bitter Ashes
2nd April 2009, 20:12
Updated again. Well, 3 hours ago the police drew thier truncheons. Anyone know if the police have started getting physical again?

Pogue
3rd April 2009, 12:46
No disrespect to people who risked arrest, injury, and even their lives to take part in the G20 protests, but I do wonder what the point is. No-one believes in the vote anymore, at least not anyone there bar perhaps the greens, so I doubt there's many who believe that they need to protest to "send a message" to the G20 as if they don't know people are pissed off. Is it for propaganda? I'm sure some people are inspired by watching the protests on TV enough to get involved, but the trouble is so long as the bourgeoisie monopolise the forms of media that the average person sees, the real story is always going to be skewed so most people who see it feel confused or alienated by the protestors.

I think the problem is the left is still infected with spectacle-liberalism. Mass protests are nowadays a spectacular version of democracy and the elites aren't afraid of them. (unless they were large enough and angry enough to carry out a coup d'etat, which they aren't at this stage) They are of no practical use, get comrades killed for no reason, and allow police and MI5 to identify ringleaders and make files on activists.

Do you think it might be more sensible to make ourselves a bit more invisible nowadays? The less the authorities know about our activities and members, the better. Take actions that are threatening, not just spectacular; we should focus on linking up and co-ordinating strikes and occupations which is easier nowadays than ever, and would it be possible I wonder to organise a boycott of mortgage or debt payments as a way of protesting the bailouts???

Obviously we're trying to push for these things. But we need to start somewhere. The demonstration gets a message out, is a show of strength and solidartiy and can lead to bigger things. Most of us want a general strike, occupations, civil disobedience etc but we need a starting points and we need to control the streets. We shouldn't back down from this because of police intimidation and shite policing.

brigadista
3rd April 2009, 13:13
the best and most effective way to protest is to protest together with workers in their struggles, however if this happens then you will see some really intensive policing - were any trade union groups at the protest?

Cumannach
3rd April 2009, 13:17
Please tell me those fuckers at the G20 have not just geared up the IMF bandits with a few hundred billion.

brigadista
3rd April 2009, 13:25
Please tell me those fuckers at the G20 have not just geared up the IMF bandits with a few hundred billion.


yes they have -this wil bail out Ireland Greece et al;

see
http://www.revleft.com/vb/g20-summit-successi-t105406/index.html?p=1402063

Forward Union
3rd April 2009, 13:53
Well, I spent the night from about 12pm in hospital pissing blood out of my head. Nurse needed to use metal staples to get it back together, and glue. And I needed a brain scan. Got hit during the argy near liverpool street. Police wouldn't help me even though i had a serious head wound to the extent my skull was visable. Got a bandage from one officer and a protestor (and kevis from this forum) escorted me to hospital.

Ouch.

I got out, at about 5am, had a nap, and went to the memorial protest the next day for the chap that got killed by the police.


Who the hell was corney enough to bring a "where is the love ?"sig

Yea, someone had a "Hug a Cop, we're all in the same boat" sign, it's been layed at the memorial covered in blood.

brigadista
3rd April 2009, 15:57
Well, I spent the night from about 12pm in hospital pissing blood out of my head. Nurse needed to use metal staples to get it back together, and glue. And I needed a brain scan. Got hit during the argy near liverpool street. Police wouldn't help me even though i had a serious head wound to the extent my skull was visable. Got a bandage from one officer and a protestor (and kevis from this forum) escorted me to hospital.

Ouch.

I got out, at about 5am, had a nap, and went to the memorial protest the next day for the chap that got killed by the police.




Yea, someone had a "Hug a Cop, we're all in the same boat" sign, it's been layed at the memorial covered in blood.

get well soon

communard resolution
4th April 2009, 18:25
Snapshot: The Duke of Wellington after last Wednesday's protests.

http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt172/NeroTheEmperor11/Threadneedlest2-mar-2009.jpg