Valium (advice needed)

[Black Dagger]

Anyone have any advice about Valium (recreationally)? Can you take it and be alert the next day? Will you def fall asleep? Does cannabis mellow or enhance the effects?

[which doctor]

I've never taken valium, but I have experimented with other benzos, notably xanax and klonopin. From a recreational standpoint, I found them to be useless drugs. They made me tired and clouded my mind. I did a bunch of stuff I wouldn't have normally done, and I don't even remember most of it. Most of my memories of my benzo experiences come from other people. Some people like benzos, but I have yet to figure out why.

I would think you'd be fine the day after; benzos don't give ya much of a hangover, you just sleep it off. As long as you're not laying down, you shouldn't fally asleep. You may feel tired and drowsy, but it doesn't take too much effort to keep yourself awake, nothing like a strong opiate nod.


Does cannabis mellow or enhance the effects?
Never used 'em both at the same time, but I reckon you can scour the trip vaults at erowid to get a good idea of the combo.

[Black Dagger]

Thanks.

All i could find on erowid was people knocking the effects of valium off with cannabis, like it basically negated it. I'll have a bit more of a browse.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What a coincidence.

I took half a 5mg pill and shared a joint with someone a few hours ago. The dazzies (as they're called round here) added a strange extra dimension to my high. At the peak of the pill effect I felt really chilled out.

[Mujer Libre]

I could go for some benzos- but I'm an anxious person so it's self medication/for the sheer enjoyment of being relaxed (an unusual event in my life).

[Sam_b]

I've never had valium, actually. However I very much enjoy the odd bit of prozak now and then :lol: Are they quite similar?

[synthesis]

I have friends who are really into benzos and from what I understand, they see Valium as a "taper" drug... basically, benzo withdrawals ain't nothin' to fuck with, and they use Valium like methadone. It's not particularly potent in the grander scheme of benzodiazepams.

I've personally taken more powerful benzos that I can't even remember the names of (lorazepam? I think) and they're only really good for passing the time - planes and car trips and such - and coming down off of crazier shit.

One thing to remember is that they completely kill the negative effects of uppers. Take a couple before you do your lines and you won't have the jitters or any cravings. You won't even want to do any more blow. Of course, this is the reason why my friends are addicted to benzos, so... just be careful.

[synthesis]

Also, mixing weed with benzos isn't really anything special. If you're the paranoid smoker type, it might help, but otherwise it's just two different highs going on at the same time... not that great of a combination. You will probably be groggy as fuck when you wake up, though, but that depends on how much you consume.

[hugsandmarxism]

LOL at recreational drug use. :laugh:

[synthesis]

Hugs not drugs eh?

[hugsandmarxism]

Hugs not drugs eh?

You know it! ;)

Anyhow, I've never gotten around to using any kind of recreational drug, so my advice would be null. Just be careful, mkay?

[Charles Xavier]

Pill popping is counter-revolutionary.

Why don't you read a book instead?

[which doctor]

I've never had valium, actually. However I very much enjoy the odd bit of prozak now and then :lol: Are they quite similar?
No. Prozac is an SSRI used for depression. Valium is a benzodiazepine used for anxiety.

[synthesis]

Pill popping is counter-revolutionary.

Why don't you read a book instead?

Reading books is counter-revolutionary.

Why don't you take an MDMA suppository instead?


Anyhow, I've never gotten around to using any kind of recreational drug, so my advice would be null. Just be careful, mkay?Should we ever meet, remind me to lace your Shirley Temple.

[hugsandmarxism]

Should we ever meet, remind me to lace your Shirley Temple.

OMG how do you know what my favorite drink is?!? Better go pop a valium; I'll need something to deal with this madness. :laugh:

[Rjevan]

Goering was addicted to valium and some of his biographers think that this changed his character to the lovely old Hermi we all know...so I guess I have to disadvise - for the sake of humanity. ;)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Goering was addicted to valium and some of his biographers think that this changed his character to the lovely old Hermi we all know...so I guess I have to disadvise - for the sake of humanity. ;)

I'm pretty sure Valium was invented after WWII. Goering was addicted to morphine.

[Rjevan]

I'm pretty sure Valium was invented after WWII. Goering was addicted to morphine.
... Oops, mixed that up. :blushing:
So I guess you're free to use valium, because this won't turn you into a narcissistic maniac then. :D

[which doctor]

Pill popping is counter-revolutionary.

Why don't you read a book instead?
Ya know the two of those actually make a great combination. I just took the last of my codeine and am about to begin reading Adorno's The Culture Industry.

[bcbm]

I enjoy reading really heavy theory when I smoke hash. But then I can't remember any of it...

[Black Dagger]

I enjoy reading really heavy theory when I smoke hash. But then I can't remember any of it...

Yeah lol, i used to do that. It's still a really stimulating experience but :)

[butterfly]

Having a tolerance to 15mg doesn't give me much standing in terms of advice, but the hangover from codeine I woke up with today was much worse then anything I've experienced on Valium.
I wouldn't say the latter enhances the effect of THC but they make a lovely combination if you just want to relax.

[synthesis]

One more thing... never mix benzos and opiates. Seriously. The mixture can easily kill you by itself.

[bcbm]

Yeah lol, i used to do that. It's still a really stimulating experience but :)

Yeah, I feel like I understand more but of course I don't remember three hours later so whats the use!

[Black Dagger]

The trick is to find a friend shortly after you've finished reading and relate all your drug-fuelled insights to them. This may work better if they're high too (but preferably less so than you, otherwise they might be forget as well) - this is also the only instance where reading Marcuse is advisable.

http://img144.imagevenue.com/loc422/th_68657_200px-Herbert_Marcuse_in_Newton62C_Massachusetts_1955_12 2_422lo.jpg

^--- perhaps Marcuse himself employed this strategy when writing.

[bcbm]

I don't have any friends here I could imagine doing that with.

[Black Dagger]

Awwww bummer. I would if i could, love ;)

[Dean]

Anyone have any advice about Valium (recreationally)? Can you take it and be alert the next day? Will you def fall asleep? Does cannabis mellow or enhance the effects?

Yes, very much so. I used to use a lot of Benzodiazepines. Valium wasn't that great, but I remember it feeling better than Alprazolam. Halcion is worhtless, so is Klonopin - you take a lot of either, and then you have a momentary lapse of reason. Then back to normal... blah.

Frankly, I bet you will love the shit for a week or so (xanax mostly, but Valium is fairly similar). Once you get used to it, and you can actually clearly remember how you felt on it, you'll realize that it doesn't feel good whatsoever. The only "good" feelings you get from it are the relief of anxiety and fears. Recreational use is almost worthless once you get over that feeling.

So, use it as a tool. I (used to) use it when I know I have a long or shitty day ahead of me. Basically, if you want to really remember and enjoy whatever experience you are having - particularly hanging with friends - don't use this mind-numbing crap. But if you know your life will be a dull, worthless experience for the next 8 hours take some. If you take a lot you WILL be endangering yourself. You can really lose control if you take very much (read those Erowid experiences).

So yeah. A tool, not a toy.

[Black Dagger]

Cool cool, that's good advice - i think i understand this drug a lot better now.

[bcbm]

Awwww bummer. I would if i could, love ;)

I'll make it out there soon enough.


But if you know your life will be a dull, worthless experience for the next 8 hours take some.

This drug sounds like it would really help me get through my shifts at work. Does it have physical effects, ie will I still be able to move around, possibly quickly and get (monotonous) shit done?

[Black Dagger]

From what i read - and depending on the dosage - you might get rubber legs and things of that nature. Basically valium is a muscle relaxer, a friend of mine was prescribed some after they had muscle spasms in their back. So it would effect your movement, i haven't taken any yet so i can't say how much, but i would think that it would slow you down and maybe make you feel lazy/unmotivated.

[bcbm]

Bleh, I already feel lazy/unmotivated enough at work.

[Killfacer]

It's real good if your on a come down.

[Mujer Libre]

Bleh, I already feel lazy/unmotivated enough at work.
Yeah, it makes you very tired. Probably not good for work since you just won't get shit done and might actually want a nap.

[9]

I had about a five-year addiction to Xanax - a benzodiazepine very similar to Valium. My habit came as a result of a doctor's prescription, so I can't say much about recreational use, but I would advise you to be extremely cautious. It is very easy to become addicted, and the withdraw is nothing short of horrid.
Personally, I prefer to stick to weed and the occasional psilocybin experience (which is more spiritual than recreational anyhow). But everyone is different in that respect, I suppose.

[Killfacer]

I had about a five-year addiction to Xanax - a benzodiazepine very similar to Valium. My habit came as a result of a doctor's prescription, so I can't say much about recreational use, but I would advise you to be extremely cautious. It is very easy to become addicted, and the withdraw is nothing short of horrid.
Personally, I prefer to stick to weed and the occasional psilocybin experience (which is more spiritual than recreational anyhow). But everyone is different in that respect, I suppose.

fuck that shit. Do as many drugs as you can in the shortest time possible.

[Jazzratt]

fuck that shit. Do as many drugs as you can in the shortest time possible.

Nonsense, no one needs drugs. If you have a healthy glow about you, you will be happy for ever. And by "healthy glow" I mean my penis, and by "about" I mean in and by "you" I mean a sexually attractive conga-line of androgynous persons.

[Killfacer]

Nonsense, no one needs drugs. If you have a healthy glow about you, you will be happy for ever. And by "healthy glow" I mean my penis, and by "about" I mean in and by "you" I mean a sexually attractive conga-line of androgynous persons.

But i'm a sickly palour with bleach white skin and needle marks in my dick. (joke)

[Jazzratt]

Killfacer will never be happy.

[Killfacer]

Killfacer will never be happy.
:crying:

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Avoid taking it with alcohol. My mates took it with a load of booze and got angry and aggressive (more than usually when they drink). One cut his hand with a knife for a joke and another had a fight with his friend. not a nice high

[Louis Pio]

Avoid taking it with alcohol. My mates took it with a load of booze and got angry and aggressive (more than usually when they drink). One cut his hand with a knife for a joke and another had a fight with his friend. not a nice high


Point is it uses the same receptors as alcohol, you wont feel the effect before it's to late and you go on a rage or die of alcohol poisoning.. The coctail is mostly only preferred by big dumb muscle types who like the rage it gives them.
Through my work I treated a fair amount of benzodiazepine users, and seeing the effects I wouldn´t suggest anyone starting with it. It is the ultimate paralyzer drug, people who use it regurlarly have no drive whatsoever and mostly resembles zombies in my oppinion. There is a fair amount of people that have used them everyday since they first came out in the 50'ies under names such as Librium, and basically they have had no life to speak of in that time. Absolutely horrid if you ask me.

Only thing they are good for is treating alcoholism and when used then one should have a plan of withdrawal within a week or so. Also some people like scizophrenics can have good use of them, but the effect of bezodiazepines are also totally different on them.

[Dean]

Point is it uses the same receptors as alcohol, you wont feel the effect before it's to late and you go on a rage or die of alcohol poisoning.. The coctail is mostly only preferred by big dumb muscle types who like the rage it gives them.
Through my work I treated a fair amount of benzodiazepine users, and seeing the effects I wouldn´t suggest anyone starting with it. It is the ultimate paralyzer drug, people who use it regurlarly have no drive whatsoever and mostly resembles zombies in my oppinion. There is a fair amount of people that have used them everyday since they first came out in the 50'ies under names such as Librium, and basically they have had no life to speak of in that time. Absolutely horrid if you ask me.

Only thing they are good for is treating alcoholism and when used then one should have a plan of withdrawal within a week or so. Also some people like scizophrenics can have good use of them, but the effect of bezodiazepines are also totally different on them.

Exactly. I would say that Xanax is the most alcohol-like of the bunch. Mixing with alcohol is a recipe for disaster - a clsoe friend did it, shit was terrifying.

[Robespierre2.0]

Use it when fighting Sniper Wolf to steady your aim.

[bcbm]

Nonsense, no one needs drugs.

I do.

[Killfacer]

I do.

qft

[black magick hustla]

you people and your pills. gotdamn you drug gulping hippies

[Communist Theory]

Threads like this make Commies look like druggies.

[Mujer Libre]

Threads like this make Commies look like druggies.

The term "druggie" is a judgmental stereotype. Yo know- "all people who use drugs are dirty, incoherent, irrational losers."

Well, here's some news. Human beings have always used substances. Some people run into trouble with them, others don't.

Ergo, this thread makes commies look like human beings.

Which, IMO, is a rather good thing.

[Communist Theory]

This is ammo for anti-commies.

[Jazzratt]

This is ammo for anti-commies.

Bollocks it is. The kind of people it is "ammo" for are absolutely unreasonable and wouldn't take to communism even if we didn't mention what we do in our spare time.

Seriously the kind of person that talks about "druggies" is both a hypocrite and a moron; a hypocrite because they are more than likely to take drugs themselves (both medicinally and recreationally [think asprin and beer]) and morons because they don't know shit about drugs for the most part.

[Black Dagger]

This is ammo for anti-commies.

Self-censorship is fail.

[Louis Pio]

Benzos would be the perfect tool for the bourgiosie to sedate workers into submission, if it wasn't for the damaging effects prolonged use have on both cognitive and motorical skills.

[Killfacer]

This is ammo for anti-commies.

Who cares? They think we're godless hippy students anyway.

[Communist Theory]

We are all godless hippies.

[Killfacer]

We are all godless hippies.

So who cares if they think we're drug addled piss heads aswell?

[Communist Theory]

I am a Terrible Communist so what does it matter? Long live Ivan the Terrible!:laugh:

[hugsandmarxism]

Use it when fighting Sniper Wolf to steady your aim.

Quoted for awesomeness. :cool:

[Killfacer]

Yes you all are except me.

STJ has found god.

[Cynical Observer]

i was addicted to valium about 2 years ago, it's my favorite drug. You should feel fine the next day, and you should actually be able to function reasonably well on valium even at high doses (better than opiates anyway) just don't plan on doing anything that requires alot of effort cuz ur pretty much content to sit on the couch for 5 hours when ur on valium