Discussion of the Communist League and the WPA [SPLIT from 'Revival of the WIIU']

[KC]

[These posts are split from the WIIU thread, and were untrashed (they were originally wrongfully trashed) and made into a new thread to discuss the questions being raised in the original thread - namely, the reasoning behind making a separate organization and the creation of new organizations in general. This thread specifically is discussing Miles' organizations - Communist League, WPA, WIIU, etc...]


Well, I suppose I could have sat around with my thumb up my ass, just pissing and moaning about the world, like you do.You don't know what I do or don't do.


Relevancy? I don't think you're in any position to pass judgment on what is and is not relevant.I never claimed to be relevant - quite the contrary, actually. I realize that I am irrelevant in the larger scheme of things, and that the objective element is just as important as organization. You apparently cannot accept that you are, which makes you say "We have to do something!" Of course I'm not saying that we should do nothing, but simply what you're doing is a waste of time and will not amount to anything more than what the other organizations you have created have amounted to. Which, as the saying goes, is the definition of insanity.

I know you're taking what I'm saying personally, but it wasn't meant to be. I'm simply informing you that you're wasting your time with irrelevancies (which is probably what I'd say to the vast majority of this board and the revolutionary left in general, but applies moreso to you because others are at the very least organized together in their irrelevant work).

[Martin Blank]

You don't know what I do or don't do.

And I don't really care, either.


I never claimed to be relevant - quite the contrary, actually. I realize that I am irrelevant in the larger scheme of things, and that the objective element is just as important as organization.

And given that you cannot recognize changes in either one, I can see why you accept your own irrelevancy and give in to cynicism.


You apparently cannot accept that you are, which makes you say "We have to do something!"

Just because you've finally realized you're irrelevant doesn't make everyone else irrelevant, too. It sounds like the person who's not accepting reality is you.


Of course I'm not saying that we should do nothing, but simply what you're doing is a waste of time and will not amount to anything more than what the other organizations you have created have amounted to. Which, as the saying goes, is the definition of insanity.

You don't know what we're doing, and really had no clue when you were a member of the League, either. That's why no one batted an eye when you left. You saved us the trouble of throwing you out.


I know you're taking what I'm saying personally, but it wasn't meant to be. I'm simply informing you that you're wasting your time with irrelevancies (which is probably what I'd say to the vast majority of this board and the revolutionary left in general, but applies moreso to you because others are at the very least organized together in their irrelevant work).

Again, you don't know what we're doing or who we're working with. For that matter, you don't have any idea about the state of the League or WPA, so you're just talking out of your ass (as usual).

[Die Neue Zeit]

Oh? What's with KC's ex-League activity?

[And for the record, the "Communist Workers League" splinter has disbanded awhile back, with their forum plagued by porn spam.]

[Martin Blank]

[And for the record, the "Communist Workers League" splinter has disbanded awhile back, with their forum plagued by porn spam.]

I know. As we suspected, they were more or less meant to confuse and confound (or worse), and the only thing that was holding them together was an apolitical, visceral dislike for the elected leadership of the League. Most of those who were said to have went with the "CWL" either retained or have since reactivated their League memberships. Moreover, we've more than made up for the loss in personnel -- and, to be honest, they're a better quality of comrade.

[KC]

And I don't really care, either.

Well, you obviously cared at some point, or you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place.


And given that you cannot recognize changes in either one, I can see why you accept your own irrelevancy and give in to cynicism.

Of course I have recognized changes in both the subjective and objective conditions as they have been developing over the past few years, so I'm not sure why you're saying this. Nor have I given in to cynicism; as I said earlier, you have no knowledge of how I am active. I was merely criticizing what you specifically were doing, which is what the "left" has been doing for decades and which leads nowhere.


You don't know what we're doing, and really had no clue when you were a member of the League, either. That's why no one batted an eye when you left. You saved us the trouble of throwing you out.

First, the only legitimate basis for "throwing me out" would have been that I later (after I left) rejected the "worker only" policy; however, that was one of the reasons that I left in the first place (also, and more importantly, was my realization that it was a waste of time), so there really was no basis to "throw me out," as you say. And even if there was, so what?

Second, the reason that nobody had any idea what was going on (myself included) was because you insisted on doing all the work yourself; you were incredibly adamant about that. There was zero communication. This is one of your shortcomings with regards to organizational work and one of the reasons that I am guessing will lead to the demise (perhaps perpetual, as in the case of the League) of the WPA.

Third, I don't care; the League wasn't that great, and I'm happy that I left, as it was a waste of time. Your attempt at making me feel unwanted fails because when I join a political party it isn't to gain acceptance; in fact, that's probably the last thing on my mind (sure, I would promote my politics, but I am talking about social acceptance, to which you are referring, obviously for the intent of trying to hurt my feelings).

That's what friends are for.


Again, you don't know what we're doing or who we're working with. For that matter, you don't have any idea about the state of the League or WPA, so you're just talking out of your ass (as usual).

I never made the claim that I knew what you were doing aside from attempting to build yet another organization, so your objection is irrelevant to this conversation. You could be incredibly active for all I know, but that's irrelevant to what I'm discussing.


Oh? What's with KC's ex-League activity?

I joined a long, long time ago, perhaps when the League was still in its infancy (I don't remember when it was started), when I was just emerging from my RedStarist phase; Miles' politics and solid means of presenting them attracted me, so I joined.

The majority of the work I did while I was in the League was working on the website (uploading articles, tweaking the site, etc...), as I was in no contact with anyone in the League outside of the internet (there was simply nobody around here), however I did hand out League flyers at numerous events. I also provided input on organizational documents, although I don't remember to what length that was discussed (I just remembered reading them).

The only thing I remember besides that is attempting to get an editorial board formed, as Miles was doing all of the work of basically the entire organization; many people stepped forward, but it never worked, for various reasons (due to the failure on Miles' part to hand out work, as I stated earlier, and on the members' parts to stand up and start submitting articles and to take responsibility).

Shortly following that, I think, I left, as my politics were changing and I began realizing that the League's worker-only policy, the only real thing that set it apart from any other organization (aside from some of its curious politics, which if I remember correctly is a blend of various tendencies), was incredibly mechanistic in nature and contrary to Marxism because of it.

I think the split happened a few months after I left, but didn't follow it too much (although I was obviously interested). It certainly didn't surprise me, the way the organization was developing, though.

[Die Neue Zeit]

I'll post my thoughts in a few hours' time.