Just one, no, two questions...

[Glorious Union]

Why is it that the most extreme leftists, both people on this site and a few I have met in real life, always appear to be perverts or sex enthusiasts?

:confused:

And another thing: why are most leftists young? I have yet to meet somebody older than 30 expressing such radical thoughts and ideas.




well to answer you:

1. perverts? what do you mean. that has a negative connotation to it. no where on this site have i seen any thing out of the ordinary sexually.
also, most of us are teens and kids....sooooo most of us are sexually charged or it could be we are immature (either or):drool:

2. because the the new left wing surge is by a new generation of young kids. the old generation got old and gave up, so its up to the youth to get shit moving. we are also the first generation not to be totally brain washed against communism; the anti-communist propaganda has dropped since 1991 believe it or not (though there is still a shit ton going around):cool:

[StalinFanboy]

Is there anything wrong with sexuality?

[redSHARP]

well to answer you:

1. perverts? what do you mean. that has a negative connotation to it. no where on this site have i seen any thing out of the ordinary sexually.
also, most of us are teens and kids....sooooo most of us are sexually charged or it could be we are immature (either or):drool:

2. because the the new left wing surge is by a new generation of young kids. the old generation got old and gave up, so its up to the youth to get shit moving. we are also the first generation not to be totally brain washed against communism; the anti-communist propaganda has dropped since 1991 believe it or not (though there is still a shit ton going around):cool:

[Glorious Union]

well to answer you:

1. perverts? what do you mean. that has a negative connotation to it. no where on this site have i seen any thing out of the ordinary sexually.
also, most of us are teens and kids....sooooo most of us are sexually charged or it could be we are immature (either or):drool:

2. because the the new left wing surge is by a new generation of young kids. the old generation got old and gave up, so its up to the youth to get shit moving. we are also the first generation not to be totally brain washed against communism; the anti-communist propaganda has dropped since 1991 believe it or not (though there is still a shit ton going around):cool:

Perfect response, thank you.

[Oneironaut]

To be honest I have no idea what you are talking about. What perverted comments have you come across on this site?

As far as sex enthusiasm goes, are you saying sex is a bad thing? Negative connotations of sex revolve around religious idealism and nothing else. In the Middle Ages, the Church stated that any pleasure received from sex was a sin. Sexual temptation was also viewed as a sin. That to me sounds like a great way to include every single person under your domination.

The Left understands how sex is a completely natural fact of life. Some may like it more than others. But why does that really matter?

Many people turn to leftism when they are younger because they have the energy to do so. They may not be working long hours and do no tire reading materials as quickly as say, someone over forty. But just because you don't know any old communists doesn't mean they aren't out there. Trust me, there are plenty.

[Glorious Union]

Is there anything wrong with sexuality?

I guess I'm just a bit more conservative in that feild than most others, but I do see something seriously wrong with sexuality. I don't know why, and don't pester me about it. You could call me unique.

[Blackscare]

I'm really offended by this.


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Leave us alone! You can't split apart our love with your bigoted remarks!


And fyi, if you actually care and aren't going to judge us, her name is Adeline and yes, we ARE into cyclist roleplay.

[Glorious Union]

To be honest I have no idea what you are talking about. What perverted comments have you come across on this site?

As far as sex enthusiasm goes, are you saying sex is a bad thing? Negative connotations of sex revolve around religious idealism and nothing else. In the Middle Ages, the Church stated that any pleasure received from sex was a sin. Sexual temptation was also viewed as a sin. That to me sounds like a great way to include every single person under your domination.

The Left understands how sex is a completely natural fact of life. Some may like it more than others. But why does that really matter?


I have never been a religious one, ever. I have tried to be such, and I even favour religion, but even when I was in church as a child, I didn't follow the croud. It just never got to me. Want to find another reason why I think this way? Or are you certain that it is religon "and nothing else."?

I won't drag out any comments I have seen, but they are the reason I made this thread. Perhaps I am just oversensative about such things.

And what are you talking about "your domination"? I have no domination over anybody!

I guess this is what sets me aside from the rest of the left then, if the left is really supposed to understand it being a part of nature, but something has always told me that we humans were set apart from nature.

[Glorious Union]

Well I guess that closes this thread then.

I now know what I had set out to learn.

[redSHARP]

all right, he stated his case and lets not hound him about it. if he feels uncomfortable about something maybe he will change his mind once he hangs around here more often. some people were uncomfortable with things in the past and now have different views, its just natural; maybe personal, that's for him to deal with. i used to be sympathetic with fascism, now look at me i am a hard core redskin and a dedicated anti-fascist, that's just how things are. people develop.:cool:

[Blackscare]

Negative connotations of sex revolve around religious idealism and nothing else.

Well, to be fair, a lot of the wacky rules and stigmas in early religions can be traced to problems that at the time (considering the backwardness of people thousands of years ago) seemed to be best solved by claiming god said it was bad. People have claimed pork was considered unholy as a public safety move because it was prone to going bad and poisoning people, etc. Who's to say that the original reasons for sexual persecution didn't have their roots in some Roman-era std? Not that it makes it justified, or any less goofy NOW, but you're simplifying the reasons WHY certain rules were created in the first place. Very often we see that stigmas found in religion can be traced back to pragmatic attempts to combat certain hazards rather than pure idealism.

Of course, NOW all of the religious shit boils down to idealism, and the vast majority of people at the time were duped by religious leaders into pious fervor, but at the time these sorts of things may have had more complex causes.

[Oneironaut]

I have never been a religious one, ever. I have tried to be such, and I even favour religion, but even when I was in church as a child, I didn't follow the croud. It just never got to me. Want to find another reason why I think this way? Or are you certain that it is religon "and nothing else."?

Regardless of why you started to think that sex was bad, these ideas come from religious idealism and nothing else.


And what are you talking about "your domination"? I have no domination over anybody! I wasn't referring to you specifically, I was referring to the Church. Sorry for the confusion.


I guess this is what sets me aside from the rest of the left then, if the left is really supposed to understand it being a part of nature, but something has always told me that we humans were set apart from nature.

Now what could give you that idea?

[Glorious Union]

Now what could give you that idea?

Instinct.

[Oneironaut]

Well, to be fair, a lot of the wacky rules and stigmas in early religions can be traced to problems that at the time (considering the backwardness of people thousands of years ago) seemed to be best solved by claiming god said it was bad. People have claimed pork was considered unholy as a public safety move because it was prone to going bad and poisoning people, etc. Who's to say that the original reasons for religious persecution didn't have their roots in some Roman-era std? Not that it makes it justified, or any less goofy NOW, but you're simplifying the reasons WHY certain rules were created in the first place. Very often we see that stigmas found in religion can be traced back to pragmatic attempts to combat certain hazards rather than pure idealism.

Of course, NOW all of the religious shit boils down to idealism, and the vast majority of people at the time were duped by religious leaders into pious fervor, but at the time these sorts of things may have had more complex causes.

Of course there may be some logical explanations for why the Church would adopt ideas. The most logical of these explanations is that these ideas would dominate all of society and into men's brains.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Glorious:


I have yet to meet somebody older than 30 expressing such radical thoughts and ideas.

I am over 30, and have been a revolutionary for more than 25 years.

[Glorious Union]

I am over 30, and have been a revolutionary for more than 25 years.

Well then your the fist I've met, congratulations.

[Blackscare]

Of course there may be some logical explanations for why the Church would adopt ideas. The most logical of these explanations is that these ideas would dominate all of society and into men's brains.


Yes but there's no point in injecting just ANY old crazy superstition into people's heads. It's not like they were thinking "Ha! We'll make eating shellfish a sin, that'll fuck with 'em! They'll be our grovelling pawns before you know it!".


Granted, the church DID just want control from the outset, but they had plenty of dogma to use already without banning specific acts. I think the process of stigmatizing things was almost like a primitive for of legislation, making things evil as you go along (and ignoring certain mandates when they are no longer relevant, like the shellfish think in Leviticus).

[Invincible Summer]

Well then your the fist I've met, congratulations.

I'm pretty sure Tupac Amaru and Jacob Richter are over 30 as well... or at least they act like it.

[Oneironaut]

Instinct.

Oh I see. A trait that has been developed through ages of human development in nature has led you to believe we exist outside of it. Are you sure its your instinct telling you that or could it maybe be your idealist perspective?

[redSHARP]

i always thought Tomk was over 30 but he is an OI.:lol:

[Glorious Union]

Oh I see. A trait that has been developed through ages of human development in nature has led you to believe we exist outside of it. Are you sure its your instinct telling you that or could it maybe be your idealist perspective?

Yes, instinct.

Its not some idea or perspective that I have developed over the years.

I've always been this way, and as such you may place the blame on instinct.

Like I said, consider me unique.

I'll leave it at that.

[Idealism]

most leftists are young because young people (and im saying this as a "youth") are more idealistic about the world. i think today its also a reaction to people being surrounded by corporate consumerist bullshit for most of their lives while older generations wouldn't have. Bush was my biggest inspiration for being an anarchist.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Why is it that the most extreme leftists, both people on this site and a few I have met in real life, always appear to be perverts or sex enthusiasts?

Not always. I'm leftist and I hate talking about sex. Also, i'm 18 and have never been in a relationship or had sex.

[Idealism]

id also like to think that part of the whole sex thing is just a rxn to the right-wing assholes being so anti-sex.

[Poison]

Why is it that the most extreme leftists, both people on this site and a few I have met in real life, always appear to be perverts or sex enthusiasts?

First, is that honestly true? Where are you getting this idea? Leftists, sure, tend to be a bit freer as we're less socially conservative but on the other side you have far right wingers who have no problem with using prostitutes, having multiple wives (but can't be the other way around!) and have massive compounds of indoctrinated girls as "wives". We're the pervs?

Second, how is it any of your business? As long as what we do with our own lives does not exploit anyone or hurt anyone (who doesn't want to be hurt), it's not any of your concern.


And another thing: why are most leftists young? I have yet to meet somebody older than 30 expressing such radical thoughts and ideas.

Why are most right-wingers old?

Sure leftists may be more active and revolutionary in our early years before the world has worn us out but the idea that most leftists are young is...wrong.

[StalinFanboy]

Yes, instinct.

Its not some idea or perspective that I have developed over the years.

I've always been this way, and as such you may place the blame on instinct.

Like I said, consider me unique.

I'll leave it at that.
How are we separate from nature?

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Bob the Builder and Liquid Poetess are also over 30, as is Miles, too.

[StalinFanboy]

On the topic of age, there was a hella down anarchist at the bookfair that was 50 at least.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Go on any march in the UK (can't speak about anywhere else), and you will see plenty of older comrades.

[JohannGE]

Over 50 here and my commitment grows stronger each year.

I think the explanation as to why there apears to be greater numbers of young lefties is due to the corrupting, mind numbing, and divisive effects of living under capitalism.

The passion and enthusiasm of youth is in many cases dulled by the struggle to make ends meet in a soul destroying capitalist rat race. It is an easy (almost traditional) decision to be rebelious and revolutionary when you are young, your basic needs are reletivly easily obtained and you have no one else to consider.

It's another matter altogether when the decisions you make have life changing effects on your own children. When you have to choose between compromising your beliefs to climb the greasy pole or hold onto your ideals and in so doing restrict your families finacial well being, it's not so easy.

Many young rebels are gradualy entrapped by the lure of wealth and status and almost imperceptivly leave their beliefs behind. As their percieved happiness and security becomes increasingly bonded to the rewards of their compromise, they increasingly depend on their precious toys and distractions to mask the decent into complicity with the system they once so ardently despised.

If I had a pound for every student radical I have met who went on to enthusiasticly embrace the rewards and ignore the consequences of capitalism, I could retire tommorow.

"The youth gets together his materials to build a bridge to the moon, or, perchance, a palace or temple on the earth, and, at length, the middle-aged man concludes to build a woodshed with them."
Henry David Thoreau

[#FF0000]

I went through the calendar recently and there are a lot of folks here that are around 25 years old. I suppose that's a bit young but it isn't just a bunch of teenagers here (which, admittedly, surprised me as well)

[Pogue]

Why is it that the most extreme leftists, both people on this site and a few I have met in real life, always appear to be perverts or sex enthusiasts?

:confused:

And another thing: why are most leftists young? I have yet to meet somebody older than 30 expressing such radical thoughts and ideas.

What the fuck are you on about?

[#FF0000]

What the fuck are you on about?

What, you've never been in Livechat?

[apathy maybe]

Why is it that the most extreme leftists, both people on this site and a few I have met in real life, always appear to be perverts or sex enthusiasts?

:confused:

And another thing: why are most leftists young? I have yet to meet somebody older than 30 expressing such radical thoughts and ideas.

Your questions have been answered already. But I'll answer anyway.

The second one, you're most likely young, and don't interact with people much older than yourself. Thus, you never meet any old leftists. You also never meet any old rightists. Or, if you do, you don't realise it. (People on TV don't count. Leftists don't get shown on TV very often, and even less often in a good way.)

Everyone likes sex, if they don't, they are the strange ones. Anyway, you could also ask, why are so many leftists into drugs? Personal autonomy. Real leftists think that people should be able to do what they like with their own bodies.