Dalai Lama Refused Visa to South Africa

[Mike Rotchtickles]

Read abouth this story this week-end.South African government have refused to give the Dalai Lama visa to the country to attend the World Cup peace conference. Have not read much abouth the happenings between Tibet and China, just read a little this morning to get a general understanding. The first time I heard the story I was thinking it was hypocritical of the South African government bowing to the political pressure from Beijing also considering that the ruling party is being funded by Beijing for its election campaign. I can't say where i stand on Tibet. China is a country with horrible human rights record and from the little I know there has seemed to be quite a bit of oppression on the peoples of Tibet. During the Olympics I was one who supported the idea of the world seeing a different side of China. I just wonder can we ever hope for justice for the weak in this world where governments from the West or the rest of the world continously oppress their people. Must we the common people sit back and shut the fuck when we see these things happening. what do you guys think of the stand taken by the SA gov.

[Vincent P.]

This is just another example of China's imperialistic nausea-inducing colonialism, alike to this of he US when Bush said "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists". They stand as equals in my humble rating of the "top 5 most a**hole state".

[PeaderO'Donnell]

This is just another example of China's imperialistic nausea-inducing colonialism, alike to this of he US when Bush said "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists". They stand as equals in my humble rating of the "top 5 most a**hole state".

No its the goverment of Azania standing up and being counted aganist "theocratic" fascism.

[Wanted Man]

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/action/media/downloadFile?media_fileid=1001

SACP backs ban on Dalai Lama

SACP
23 March 2009

The Party congratulates government's vigilance in refusing visa to Tibetan spiritual leader

SACP STATEMENT ON THE DECISION NOT TO GRANT DALAI LAMA A VISA

The SACP fully appreciates and accepts the decision by the South African government not to grant a visa for the Dali Lama visit at this time. We stand by our government on this matter.

It is a well known fact that the month of March is a particularly sensitive period as it is associated with the Dalai Lama's putsch for cession of Tibet from China. This is fact is generally accepted and appreciated in diplomatic circles including in all major Western Countries. These countries themselves would have been extremely cautious to allow a visit by the Dalai Lama to their own capitals in this period.

It is therefore hypocritical for anyone including western leaders to condemn South Africa's stance during this period.

The SACP has noted some veiled attempts, exploiting the fact that South Africa is in an election period, to politicize the South African government stance on the issue of the Dalai Lama and compel the use of the 2010 World Cup Peace Conference to opportunistically support an anti-Chinese Tibetan separatist agenda.

We are opposed to this political sleight of hand to pressure our government into active interference in China's internal affairs and polarize millions of 2010 World Cup supporters along political lines, majority of whom, in more than 100 nations, support China's sovereignty over Tibet. The whole scheme smacks of hypocrisy and must be denounced.

We congratulate our government's vigilance and asserting the full responsibility to articulate an independent and sovereign position on foreign policy matters including reaffirming its complete support of the One-China-two systems policy.

We reiterate our principled support of and the need for the 2010 World Cup Peace Conference to proceed as planned, without succumbing to dangerous political experiments, tied to the interests of imperialism and its aggression, especially toward developing countries.
Statement issued by the South African Communist Party (http://www.sacp.org.za/), March 23 2009

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=122461&sn=Detail

[Vincent P.]

No its the goverment of Azania standing up and being counted aganist "theocratic" fascism.
The Dalai-Lama being in favor of marxism, it woul be nice to have a democracy founded on the values of communism and buddhism.
Well, in any case it would be better than China's capitalist and repressive policy.

[PRC-UTE]

The Dalai-Lama being in favor of marxism, it woul be nice to have a democracy founded on the values of communism and buddhism.
Well, in any case it would be better than China's capitalist and repressive policy.

The Dali Lama's not really a Marxist, he just had a falling out with the CIA and tried to suck up to the Soviets

[Vincent P.]

The Dali Lama's not really a Marxist, he just had a falling out with the CIA and tried to suck up to the Soviets
Got any source for this? It would be very useful to me.


Of all the modern economic theories, the economic system of Marxism is founded on moral principles, while capitalism is concerned only with gain and profitability. Marxism is concerned with the distribution of wealth on an equal basis and the equitable utilization of the means of production. It is also concerned with the fate of the working classes--that is, the majority--as well as with the fate of those who are underprivileged and in need, and Marxism cares about the victims of minority-imposed exploitation. For those reasons the system appeals to me, and it seems fair. I just recently read an article in a paper where His Holiness the Pope [Benedict XVI] also pointed out some positive aspects of Marxism.

As for the failure of the Marxist regimes, first of all I do not consider the former USSR, or China, or even Vietnam, to have been true Marxist regimes, for they were far more concerned with their narrow national interests than with the Workers' International; this is why there were conflicts, for example, between China and the USSR, or between China and Vietnam. If those three regimes had truly been based upon Marxist principles, those conflicts would never have occurred.

The failure of the regime in the former Soviet Union was, for me, not the failure of Marxism but the failure of totalitarianism. For this reason I still think of myself as half-Marxist, half-Buddhist.

[Hessian Peel]

This is just another example of China's imperialistic nausea-inducing colonialism, alike to this of he US when Bush said "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists". They stand as equals in my humble rating of the "top 5 most a**hole state".

A superb, in-depth Marxist analysis there. :lol:

[Vincent P.]

A superb, in-depth Marxist analysis there. :lol:
Isn't it? ;)

[brigadista]

the SA gov is stuck here due to the amount of chinese investment in SA- but nice ban -

[Kassad]

I feel like these threads about Tibet and the Dalai Lama get more ignorant each and every time we post them. The Dalai Lama is advocating religious feudalism and oppressive theocracy, veiled by a reactionary, but ever-convincing to the ignorant, "socialist" ideology. The Dalai Lama and his Buddhist monks enslaved Tibet under religious theocracy until the area was liberated by the People's Liberation Army that brought sweeping change, including expansive healthcare and education which drove off sexism and illiteracy. Yet, reactionary "socialists", like many in this thread, would love to see him back in power so he can drive Tibet's revolutionary progress into the ground, in favor of religious manipulation.

The Dalai Lama's 'government in exile' is funded by the Central Intelligence Agency and the previous Bush Administration. He is a reactionary theocrat. Granted, the People's Republic of China is a reactionary bourgeoisie state based on the absurd theories of 'socialism with Chinese characteristics,' but I will never support the destruction of progressive reforms in Tibet because China has fallen off the path of socialism. Revolutionary socialists have nothing in common with the Dalai Lama and his feudalistic regime.

[Revy]

I think that allowing Tibet to become a nation of its own is actually dangerous. I think that it would turn out like Israel. The Dalai Lama himself has on record said things like "Han Chinese smell".

[Vincent P.]

I think that allowing Tibet to become a nation of its own is actually dangerous. I think that it would turn out like Israel. The Dalai Lama himself has on record said things like "Han Chinese smell".

Well the more I read quotes of Mr Lama and Tibetan history, the more I'm skeptical about him. Some are contradictory, other are just out of place... I don't think he would do a great ruling in Tibet, even with the feudalistic side of the thing put aside.
This said, my criticism of China and especially China in Tibet is as harsh as ever.

I told it in my introduction, I'm here to learn.

[PRC-UTE]

imo, if the working people of Tibet decide the way forward is through independence, we should support them. I could see that happening.

but I'm sick of hearing about the Dali Lama and I can't stand the hyperbole coming from the 'free tibet' lobby who are just a useful stick to beat China with atm. They'll probably be quietly dropped as they were when the US was allied with China against the USSR.

[ZeroNowhere]

I think that allowing Tibet to become a nation of its own is actually dangerous. I think that it would turn out like Israel. The Dalai Lama himself has on record said things like "Han Chinese smell".
It's called 'humour', and it is not racist. This being more obvious from the sentence in which the quote was from.
As I said before, yes, of course, Tibet is going to take over China and subjugate the population with superior military might. Also, its cavalry will be riding unicorns.
Anyways, while the 'Free Tibet' movement are a load of gits generally, it seems, I don't see why one should support this action by the South African state.