What do you Christians have to say about people like...

[Invincible Summer]

... this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KREiyEPC7k

http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod


They're pushing their belief onto others forcefully by attacking other religions in order to try and "save" the members of the target religion.

They make blatantly provocative statements and delete negative comments on their videos.

They (esp shock) are clearly out on an ego trip, collecting comments praising how "righteous" and "holy" they are (as indicated by the deletion of bad comments, as well as the collection of 'testimonials' on the user page).


What kind of bullshit is this?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!!!

That movie is great.


Anyway, it's his car. If he wants to put "Praise Jesus!" or some other such stuff on it I don't really care. Ditto for Youtube channels.

On the other hand, look at these fuckers:

http://www.bibi.org/box/2005/agosto/Blues_Brothers.jpg

They actually believe they're on a mission from God.

Scary thought.

[ibn Bruce]

There are a whole bunch of Christian groups that play act at 'converts from Islam' on youtube, posting their stories. They try to garner converts or at least support within their own communities by misrepresenting Islamic theology, but to any Muslim their stories are so blatantly false it is rediculous.

I mean do they really think people will convert based upon their lies? What kind of a conversion is one achieved through deception?

They should've took what the Spanish Catholics took from the Maliki Madhab, no conversion is valid under duress or without full knowledge.



I watched the first video just then lol. I love his attempt at asserting Monotheism while obviously dividing God into three seperate entities. *sigh*

[LOLseph Stalin]

These are some of the reasons I don't like Christianity(or any religion for that matter):

http://www.heathenz.com/2008/05/26/top-ten-signs-youre-a-fundamentalist-christian/

[Invincible Summer]

Anyway, it's his car. If he wants to put "Praise Jesus!" or some other such stuff on it I don't really care. Ditto for Youtube channels.

The point is that the decals are massive and obviously made to garner attention.

I have nothing against people having their own personal faith, but forcing it upon others like that (the man in the video admits that he put the decals on so people are "reminded" or something of that nature) is asking for trouble and doesn't attract any more to-be Christians.

Besides, if I remember correctly, the Bible talks about how the Pharisees would always stand on the street corner preaching to show everyone how "righteous" they were, and discouraged such acts.

If these people are as Jesus-obssessed as they appear to be, they should know this and avoid it. It's hypocritical otherwise.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I have always felt that religion should remain strictly secular. It's one of those things that should just be left at home.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

The point is that the decals are massive and obviously made to garner attention.

I have nothing against people having their own personal faith, but forcing it upon others like that (the man in the video admits that he put the decals on so people are "reminded" or something of that nature) is asking for trouble and doesn't attract any more to-be Christians.

Besides, if I remember correctly, the Bible talks about how the Pharisees would always stand on the street corner preaching to show everyone how "righteous" they were, and discouraged such acts.

If these people are as Jesus-obssessed as they appear to be, they should know this and avoid it. It's hypocritical otherwise.


That's true, he is trying to force everyone to pay attention to their.....need to repent to Jesus :rolleyes:

But anyway, if I want a car which has "Shoot Up The Brown Stuff and Don't Repent" written really big (granted I'd probably need a Hummer for that) I'd be doing the same thing, yet I don't think it should be banned or anything.

And yes, I agree that on a theological level his 'holier than thou' message is on shaky foundation's at best. He should be worried about himself, not reminding others of their obligations to God.

[synthesis]

I love his attempt at asserting Monotheism while obviously dividing God into three seperate entities. *sigh*

The idea that there are three aspects of the same thing which serve different functions at different times - I don't think that requires more of a leap of faith than any other religious concept.

[Decolonize The Left]

Does this surprise you at all?

Christianity, Islam, Judaism = monotheistic religions.

That means that each crazy story claims that it is the only true crazy story and that all people who don't believe in the crazy story will suffer eternal pain. Any other crazy story which claims an all-powerful, all-knowing, god is a lie.

Now, with this said, why wouldn't they try and convert everyone they can? They're saving them...

Just remember the following:
If you're a Christian, you will suffer in all eternity for not being Jewish and Muslim.
If you're a Jew, you will suffer in all eternity for not being Muslim and Christian.
If you're a Muslim, you will suffer in all eternity for not being Christian and Jewish.

Makes sense doesn't it?

- August

[Brother No. 1]

When has Religion made sense?
Christainity,Jedaism,Islam their kinda all the same. "If you dont believe in God and Juese you'll go to hell"-christain
"If you dont believe in god you'll suffer."-Jew
"If you dont believe in Allha and praise him you will suffer for centuries"-Islam

So basicly if what they say they believe then they will all suffer.

[ibn Bruce]

The idea that there are three aspects of the same thing which serve different functions at different times - I don't think that requires more of a leap of faith than any other religious concept.

In order for something to be 'all powerful' it may not have division. It also may not be harmed. If God is all-powerful, how can 'He' suffer? How can 'He' cry out 'Father why have you forsaken me', as this implies He is acting upon Himself? For one to be a Monotheist, they must believe in a single, unchanging, indivisable God that is absolutely unlike creation.


"If you dont believe in Allha and praise him you will suffer for centuries"-Islam
If you do believe in Allah and act against yourself or those around you, then balance will be brought to bear upon you. Similarly if you don't believe in God, and haven't been exposed to truth, but do act well, then that will be reflected as well.

[synthesis]

In order for something to be 'all powerful' it may not have division. It also may not be harmed. If God is all-powerful, how can 'He' suffer?

As I understand it, Jesus is supposed to be fully God and fully man. Again, when the entire category of belief (religion) is based on suspending logic and rationality, things like this shouldn't pose a problem.


How can 'He' cry out 'Father why have you forsaken me', as this implies He is acting upon Himself?

Again, from what I understand, Jesus was quoting ("calling attention to") the Old Testament (Psalm 22:1).


For one to be a Monotheist, they must believe in a single, unchanging, indivisable God that is absolutely unlike creation.

To be a monotheist, you just have to believe that only one God exists. All that other stuff is tertiary.


"If you dont believe in Allha and praise him you will suffer for centuries"-Islam If you do believe in Allah and act against yourself or those around you, then balance will be brought to bear upon you. Similarly if you don't believe in God, and haven't been exposed to truth, but do act well, then that will be reflected as well.

Why would God need to threaten people to make them believe? Wouldn't a just God provide incontrovertible proof of His/Her/Its existence in order to "save" all those souls who prefer logic over faith?