Lenin's effects on russia

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

I was wondering because I'm a big Lenin supporter if anybody could tell me more about what he did as the russian premiere and leader of world communism at that time

[ComradeOm]

A very broad question. Anything in particular you want to know about?

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

What did he did [list good and bad on different lists] for the post-revolution russia

[Organic Revolution]

Take away autonomy,
Take away freedom,
Prop up state capitalism....


The list goes on. Lenin, as part of the state apparatus, can only create a system of oppression, not freedom or liberty.

[Das war einmal]

Take away autonomy,
Take away freedom,
Prop up state capitalism....


The list goes on. Lenin, as part of the state apparatus, can only create a system of oppression, not freedom or liberty.

haha, dear god, so what 'freedoms' that existed during the tsar regime, did he take away? Autonomy? Dont make me laugh

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

Can I here from a non idiot even I know he rescued the russian people from famine , oppression and destruction by the tsar regime

[cb9's_unity]

Can I here from a non idiot even I know he rescued the russian people from famine , oppression and destruction by the tsar regime

I'm not sure if you just made a misstatement but Lenin should get very little of the credit for saving the Russian people from Tsarism. What Lenin was extraordinarily influential in was the destruction of the provisional government and the alienation of monarchists, constitutionalists, liberals, moderate socialists and non-Bolshevik Marxists. Him and Trotsky can also take credit for the destruction of the White Army and all other opposition to Bolshevism after the October Revolution.

Also can someone give me some numbers or facts about famine going down or even simply not going up after Lenin took power?

[Comradeship]

I don't know exactly what Lenin did, but in my theory he was betrayed by Stalin before he could finish his mission. So Lenin is technically a hero to me, and Stalin is the villain who ruined it all... And let's not mention all those historians that rewrite history to make capitalism seem like a good way to go...
Hope this helps at least a little, comrade.

[ComradeOm]

Also can someone give me some numbers or facts about famine going down or even simply not going up after Lenin took power?The entire country collapsed during the Civil War, itself the result of pre-revolution decay of Imperial structures, with Davies et al (1994) estimating that over 5 million died from famine and disease in the period 1917-1923. Of this up to 2m died from disease (typhoid, typhus, dysentery, cholera) while there was a particularly severe drought, resulting in famine, in the Volga-Ural region (amongst others). Obviously the fighting devastated large parts of the country and contributed to massive internal migration (counted in the millions) and spread of epidemics

By 1924 this chaos was more or less over and pre-war population growth soon resumed. In particular there was a sharp drop in infant mortality (from 273 in 1913 to 174 in 1926) which can be largely, if not entirely, attributed to Soviet policies. By and large the NEP period was one of recovery but Lenin, unless he can can control the weather, had little to do with the absence of droughts

[Cheung Mo]

I'm not sure if you just made a misstatement but Lenin should get very little of the credit for saving the Russian people from Tsarism. What Lenin was extraordinarily influential in was the destruction of the provisional government and the alienation of monarchists, constitutionalists, liberals, moderate socialists and non-Bolshevik Marxists. Him and Trotsky can also take credit for the destruction of the White Army and all other opposition to Bolshevism after the October Revolution.

Also can someone give me some numbers or facts about famine going down or even simply not going up after Lenin took power?

If the Bolsheviks were so unpopular relative to those other factions, how in fuck's name were they able to defeat an opposing army that consisted of the remaining Tsarist strength, the emerging bourgeois strength, and military personnel from the armies of over 20 foreign nations? Trotsky, Lenin, and the other leaders and activists within the vanguard who led the Red Army were brilliant men and women, but nobody can overcome the seemingly insurmountable odds they were faced with from out of thin air.


but Lenin, unless he can can control the weather

Some Stalinist, past and present, seem to think so, including the fucking millionaire oligarchs who run the CPRF nowadays. And then because he wasn't the deity that the Stalinists claimed him to be (no shit), cappies get a free pass in blaming him for things that no human being could logically control.