personnal rant about progress!

[danyboy27]

here we go! i am so pissed of having someone pointing me the it cost money argument every fucking time someone show up a good idea!

i am working in a warehouse, and i am pushing a project of having magnetic card instead of key, and it is a fucking nightmare.

i really dont like that, impairing progress for the sake of money. the worst thing is, 90% of the time, this verry reason dont mean shit, beccause most of the time a progress somewhere mean that people will be happier, more productive, and eventually generate more productivity.

hell, i want more camera, and i will have to fight my way out to have them installed before i die of old age.

if only ressources limitation would be the only factor i had to worry about, things would be far more easier.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I totally know where you're coming from. magetic cards would cost more than keys therefore those poor Capitalists will lose money. :(

Like seriously, magnetic cards would probably be alot easier for alot of people. I definitely find them more convienient than keys.

[danyboy27]

I totally know where you're coming from. magetic cards would cost more than keys therefore those poor Capitalists will lose money. :(

Like seriously, magnetic cards would probably be alot easier for alot of people. I definitely find them more convienient than keys.


well, its not only convenient, its reliable and help a lot to keep records on who going in and who going out, preventing eventual exploit. it is profitable, but it seem many capitalist dont really go for long term profits.

[Dr Mindbender]

reminds me of our workplace, where we had the old shitty celeron and pentium 2's in beige boxes. Took them absolutely ages to bring in some new shiny black dual cores and flatscreens but because the internal server is so shit they still run crap.

Oh the lulz.

[danyboy27]

reminds me of our workplace, where we had the old shitty celeron and pentium 2's in beige boxes. Took them absolutely ages to bring in some new shiny black dual cores and flatscreens but because the internal server is so shit they still run crap.

Oh the lulz.

same here, i use windows 2000...really a weird constrast when you realize your buisness is selling gamer pc for governement agencies.

[Jazzratt]

reminds me of our workplace, where we had the old shitty celeron and pentium 2's in beige boxes. Took them absolutely ages to bring in some new shiny black dual cores and flatscreens but because the internal server is so shit they still run crap.

Oh the lulz.

You don't happen to work at a school do you? They always tend to be about 5 (or more) years behind in technology.

[Kappie]

well, its not only convenient, its reliable and help a lot to keep records on who going in and who going out, preventing eventual exploit. it is profitable, but it seem many capitalist dont really go for long term profits.You think this is a good thing? Why not just put GPS chips in everyone?

[danyboy27]

You think this is a good thing? Why not just put GPS chips in everyone?

beccause it have nothing to do with work efficiency

[Kappie]

beccause it have nothing to do with work efficiencyOh, a capitalist could easily make such a justification. For example, should an employee call in saying they are sick and taking a day off from work for it, the employer just checks out his GPS chip location and finds he is actually down at the local pub enjoying some brewskies.

[Dr Mindbender]

You don't happen to work at a school do you? They always tend to be about 5 (or more) years behind in technology.

No, i work for one of the world's largest call centre chains.

Despite their bold mission statements and rhetoric, there is a very low emphasis on technology. Typical cappie cost cutting.

[Glorious Union]

Because money is apparently more precious than happiness or convenience.
Who knew? :confused:

[Glorious Union]

You think this is a good thing? Why not just put GPS chips in everyone?

They were trying that a few years back, I saw it on some show they were saying that a family "bravely volunteered" to have computer chips embedded in them for their safety against terrorists and other such things, so that if they were in trouble then the local authorities would be able to come to the rescue. Never did hear anything else on it and for the most part it was hushed up. That was about 4 years ago.

BTW, I dont support such a system.

[Kappie]

They were trying that a few years back, I saw it on some show they were saying that a family "bravely volunteered" to have computer chips embedded in them for their safety against terrorists and other such things, so that if they were in trouble then the local authorities would be able to come to the rescue. Never did hear anything else on it and for the most part it was hushed up. That was about 4 years ago.Yeah, I kind of remember that, and I think it will return at some point or another at the behest of the state and the big corporations seeking to increase control over the activities of individuals. It surprised me that a lefty would be advocating even to a limited extent such monitoring. I could understand, perhaps, using such a system to keep a general account of how many people are in a building, say, but not tracking the times at which individuals enter and leave the building or where an individual is within the building, that seems to be getting a bit too far into Big Brother territory for my liking.

[Glorious Union]

Yeah, I kind of remember that, and I think it will return at some point or another at the behest of the state and the big corporations seeking to increase control over the activities of individuals. It surprised me that a lefty would be advocating even to a limited extent such monitoring. I could understand, perhaps, using such a system to keep a general account of how many people are in a building, say, but not tracking the times at which individuals enter and leave the building or where an individual is within the building, that seems to be getting a bit too far into Big Brother territory for my liking.

In no way at all do I support such a system even in the least bit!

[Kappie]

In no way at all do I support such a system even in the least bit!I'm glad to hear you don't, I was surprised that spetnaz used it as a justification for imposition of a keycard system over and above the convenience argument, which I can certainly appreciate.

[Jazzratt]

I'm glad to hear you don't, I was surprised that spetnaz used it as a justification for imposition of a keycard system over and above the convenience argument, which I can certainly appreciate.

In fairness he was talking about a keycard system at a work place - meaning if you're there legitimately it can be presumed that someone should know you're there. This isn't the same as tracking someone's movements or whatever but it's incredibly handy; in the event of an emergency it would be useful to account for who is/was in the building -- not only to ascertain the missing but also locate a person with first aid training.

[danyboy27]

In fairness he was talking about a keycard system at a work place - meaning if you're there legitimately it can be presumed that someone should know you're there. This isn't the same as tracking someone's movements or whatever but it's incredibly handy; in the event of an emergency it would be useful to account for who is/was in the building -- not only to ascertain the missing but also locate a person with first aid training.

yea, that another great purpose of this.

you can whine about the gps system all the way, but this is a wonderful technology that could be used in certain working place environnement like mines or in bigger working place to coordinate peoples and save lives.

if the mine collapse, it would be easier for the rescue team to find you quickly. i am not suggesting that everyone should have a little chip under it skin but for certain jobs or task it would be a great technology

[LOLseph Stalin]

if the mine collapse, it would be easier for the rescue team to find you quickly. i am not suggesting that everyone should have a little chip under it skin but for certain jobs or task it would be a great technology

I could totally picture authorities putting chips in us. They could use it as a way to track criminals, but also to invade our privacy.

[danyboy27]

I could totally picture authorities putting chips in us. They could use it as a way to track criminals, but also to invade our privacy.

its not beccause someone want to use a technology for evil purposes that we should stop thinking about using it.

[RGacky3]

Oh, a capitalist could easily make such a justification. For example, should an employee call in saying they are sick and taking a day off from work for it, the employer just checks out his GPS chip location and finds he is actually down at the local pub enjoying some brewskies.

Oh I see, so your saying spetnaz's boss is doing it for ethical reasons, because it would be ... wrong. Give me break.

Capitalists only care about progess when it benefits them, which is'nt always the case.

[danyboy27]

Oh I see, so your saying spetnaz's boss is doing it for ethical reasons, because it would be ... wrong. Give me break.

Capitalists only care about progess when it benefits them, which is'nt always the case.

that what bother me a lot, that despite the important number of scientist and ressources avaliable, so fews stuff goes in an usefull dirrection.

a LOT of project have been shut down for monetary causes, its often not about the ressources of the qualified manpower

has i precendently enounced, its been a while and i dont have any answer about my swap card system i asked to my boss, chances are that i wont see it during my living, but i stay optimistic.

the problem is far deeper than just the cost of the system (around 3000) its about always looking at the things at short terms rather than looking for the futur benefit it will give to the buisness and the worker.

[Kappie]

Oh I see, so your saying spetnaz's boss is doing it for ethical reasons, because it would be ... wrong. Give me break.

Capitalists only care about progess when it benefits them, which is'nt always the case.No, I am not saying that spetnaz's boss is doing it for ethical reasons. I was simply saying that that particular line of reasoning is not one that I would use. As I said, I can certainly appreciate other arguments for the use of a keycard system, such as the argument of convenience for workers. I just feel that highlighting ways in which such a system can be used exploitatively is not exactly the right way to advocate for such a system. I have no inherent problems with keycards or their use, and agree in many situations they are superior to keys, however that does not mean that I advocate all possible applications of said keys, including tracking of employees movements (which is how I originally (and now apparently incorrectly) interpreted spetnaz's argument).

[RGacky3]

No, I am not saying that spetnaz's boss is doing it for ethical reasons. I was simply saying that that particular line of reasoning is not one that I would use. As I said, I can certainly appreciate other arguments for the use of a keycard system, such as the argument of convenience for workers. I just feel that highlighting ways in which such a system can be used exploitatively is not exactly the right way to advocate for such a system. I have no inherent problems with keycards or their use, and agree in many situations they are superior to keys, however that does not mean that I advocate all possible applications of said keys, including tracking of employees movements (which is how I originally (and now apparently incorrectly) interpreted spetnaz's argument).

Thats not the issue, here though, the issue here is the Capitalists halting of would could be considered progress because of the profit motive.


that what bother me a lot, that despite the important number of scientist and ressources avaliable, so fews stuff goes in an usefull dirrection.


And guess what, as long as Capitalism is around its not gonna change, ever. Don't blame the boss, he's got his bank role and investors to worry about, he's doing what he's gotta do. Capitalism does what its always done.

[Kappie]

Thats not the issue, here though, the issue here is the Capitalists halting of would could be considered progress because of the profit motive.I don't consider increasing the ability of capitalists to monitor the every day activities of workers progress. That's just me. If something is to be considered progress, then it must, well, progress towards some beneficial end. Increasing convenience for employees and hence increasing productivity, that is progress, and thus you can proceed with the rest of the argument.

[RGacky3]

I don't consider increasing the ability of capitalists to monitor the every day activities of workers progress. That's just me. If something is to be considered progress, then it must, well, progress towards some beneficial end. Increasing convenience for employees and hence increasing productivity, that is progress, and thus you can proceed with the rest of the argument.


Progress is relative, if it makes more profit, then to a Capitalist its progress period. I really doubt that 'monitoring the workers' is the issue in key cards.