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Die Neue Zeit
15th March 2009, 02:47
Much fuss has been made repeatedly about Blanquism and vanguardism, so I'll throw in a few surprising quotes:



"The Russian Social-Democratic Party declares that its aim is to assist this struggle of the Russian working class by developing the class-consciousness of the workers, by promoting their organisation, and by indicating the aims and objects of the struggle. The struggle of the Russian working class for its emancipation is a political struggle, and its first aim is to achieve political liberty. That is why the Russian Social-Democratic Party will, without separating itself from the working-class movement, support every social movement against the absolute power of the autocratic government, against the class of privileged landed nobility and against all the vestiges of serfdom and the social-estate system which hinder free competition. On the other hand, the Russian Social-Democratic workers’ party will wage war against all endeavours to patronise the labouring classes with the guardianship of the absolute government and its officials, all endeavours to retard the development of capitalism, and consequently the development of the working class! The emancipation of the workers must be the act of the working class itself. What the Russian people need is not the help of the absolute government and its officials, but emancipation from oppression by it." (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1895/misc/x01.htm)



"The Russian working class is able to wage its economic and political struggle alone, even if no other class comes to its aid. But in the political struggle the workers do not stand alone. The people’s complete lack of rights and the savage lawlessness of the bashi-bazouk officials rouse the indignation of all honest educated people who cannot reconcile themselves to the persecution of free thought and free speech; they rouse the indignation of the persecuted Poles, Finns, Jews, and Russian religious sects; they rouse the indignation of the small merchants, manufacturers, and peasants, who can nowhere find protection from the persecution of officials and police. All these groups of the population are incapable, separately, of carrying on a persistent political struggle. But when the working class raises the banner of this struggle, it will receive support from all sides. Russian Social-Democracy will place itself at the head of all fighters for the rights of the people, of all fighters for democracy, and it will prove invincible!" (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1899/articles/arg2op.htm)



"Social-Democracy is the combination of the working-class movement and socialism. Its task is not to serve the working-class movement passively at each of its separate stages, but to represent the interests of the movement as a whole, to point out to this movement its ultimate aim and its political tasks, and to safeguard its political and ideological independence. Isolated from Social-Democracy, the working-class movement becomes petty and inevitably be comes bourgeois. In waging only the economic struggle, the working class loses its political independence; it becomes the tail of other parties and betrays the great principle: “The emancipation of the working classes must be conquered by the working classes themselves.” In every country there has been a period in which the working-class movement existed apart from socialism, each going its own way; and in every country this isolation has weakened both socialism and the working-class movement. Only the fusion of socialism with the working-class movement has in all countries created a durable basis for both." (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1900/nov/tasks.htm)



"The emancipation of the workers must be the act of the working class itself. All the other classes of present-day society stand for the preservation of the foundations of the existing economic system. The real emancipation of the working class requires a social revolution—which is being prepared by the entire development of capitalism—i.e., the abolition of private ownership of the means of production, their conversion into public property, and the replacement of capitalist production of commodities by the socialist organisation of the production of articles by society as a whole, with the object of ensuring full well-being and free, all-round development for all its members." (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1902/draft/02feb07.htm)

Mather
19th March 2009, 19:45
Was there any point in those quotes that you wanted to raise, either in agreement or disagreement?

Die Neue Zeit
20th March 2009, 07:07
The key is this question: Who said those remarks? ;)

Raúl Duke
20th March 2009, 18:17
Marx?

Most likely, Lenin?

What does this have to do with Blanqui?

Dave B
20th March 2009, 19:06
They are all links if you click on them to pre ‘What Is To Be Done’ Lenin stuff.

The Bolsheviks were accused of being Blanquist as well as Jacobins before during and after 1917.

Engels wrote dismissively of the Blanquists in 1874, The Program of the Blanquist Fugitives from the Paris Commune.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1874/06/26.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1874/06/26.htm)



Summarising them in 1891 Introduction by Frederick Engels On the 20th Anniversary of the Paris Commune [PostScript]


As;



The Blanquists fared no better. Brought up in the school of conspiracy, and held together by the strict discipline which went with it, they started out from the viewpoint that a relatively small number of resolute, well-organized men would be able, at a given favorable moment, not only seize the helm of state, but also by energetic and relentless action, to keep power until they succeeded in drawing the mass of the people into the revolution and ranging them round the small band of leaders. this conception involved, above all, the strictest dictatorship and centralization of all power in the hands of the new revolutionary government.



http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/postscript.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/postscript.htm)

Engels predicted that Blanquist type of organisation would play a part in the impending Russian Revolution to a later leading Menshevik; Vera Zasulich in 1885.


http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885/letters/85_04_23.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885/letters/85_04_23.htm)

Trotsky later took a very narrow definition of what ‘Blanquism’ was in order to partially differentiate it from Bolshevism in; Chapter 43, The Art of Insurrection, The History of the Russian Revolution, volume Three: The Triumph of the Soviets


http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/ch43.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/ch43.htm)


Lenin dealt with it in a similar vein in; V. I. Lenin Marxism and Insurrection, A Letter to the Central Committee of the R.S.D.L.P.(B.)

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/sep/13.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/sep/13.htm)


Engels art of insurrection thing was from Revolution and Counter-revolution in Germany, XVII. Insurrection, SEPTEMBER 18, 1852.


http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/germany/ch17.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/germany/ch17.htm)


It was original signed off as Karl’s work hence Lenin’s miss attribution in his ‘Marxism and Insurrection’.

Engels subsequently rejected that kind of position in;

The Class Struggles In France, Introduction by Frederick Engels, 1895;

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1850/class-struggles-france/intro.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1850/class-struggles-france/intro.htm)

mikelepore
21st March 2009, 08:44
It was a slogan of the first international: the emancipation of the working class must be achieved by the working class themselves. It was printed on the membership card of the first international. That was already well known. Lenin was only paraphrasing it.

Even supposing that he meant those words entirely, that doesn't tell us too much about his viewpoint about vanguardism. It aways remains possible that the working class could conduct a revolution "themselves", but then, having done so, hand power over to bureaucrats, or even to one appointed-for-life leader, if the working class hasn't been prepared properly to do otherwise.

Die Neue Zeit
21st March 2009, 19:25
^^^ I'll throw in a quote from someone else to describe Lenin's SPD-based vanguardism (not Blanquist pseudo-"vanguardism"):

"Social Democracy is the party of the militant proletariat; it seeks to enlighten it, to educate it, to organise it, to expand its political and economic power by every available means, to conquer every position that can possibly be conquered, and thus to provide it with the strength and maturity that will finally enable it to conquer political power and to overthrow the rule of the bourgeoisie." (Karl Kautsky)

Dave B
21st March 2009, 20:04
Can we have a Date and source?

Die Neue Zeit
21st March 2009, 20:44
The 1899 quote is to be found in p.88 (Chapter 1) of Lars Lih's Lenin Rediscovered, which I quoted extensively in my work (which you have):

http://books.google.com/books?id=8AVUvEUsdCgC&dq=lenin+rediscovered&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=5i3vatyMZq&sig=CYaMfnD6JjWuoquiWEFG0b6SaSg&hl=en&ei=NkPFSZSXLYnOtQPkjejbBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA88,M1