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Redmau5

13th March 2009, 16:56

So United take on Liverpool tomorrow at 12:45 in one of the biggest games of the season. Liverpool's 4-0 destruction of Real Madrid in midweek will have done their confidence the world of good, especially as they've been very inconsistent in recent weeks.

However, the game is at Old Trafford and if United win they'll be ten points clear of Liverpool with a game in hand. United look simply unstoppable this season, with two of the most outstanding centre-backs in the world in Vidic and Ferdinand, as well as the frightening attacking quartet of Rooney, Ronaldo, Berbatov and Tevez.

Liverpool will be up for it, as they need the win if they want to keep their title dreams alive. I think it'll be close, but United are gonna edge it with a 2-1 win.

Thoughts ahead of the match?

Killfacer

13th March 2009, 17:01

Should be good. Problem is though, even if united lose they will still win the prem. With Torres back though, they should be able to cause united a problem or two.

RedAnarchist

13th March 2009, 17:20

I don't think Man United will win the Premiership unless they get knocked out of one of the other competitions they're still in. They've got a lot of matches to play this season (remember Liverpool a few seasons back when they had a massive number of games?). I would expect it to be a very tense game and I bet there's going to be a lot of yellow cards and maybe one or two reds.

I predict 3-2 to Liverpool, with the winner coming very late in the game.

Hegemonicretribution

13th March 2009, 17:36

I am going to say 1-0 Liverpool, with an 89 minute goal from Kuyt or someone...actually giving the rivalry maybe Gerrard.

I wouldn't be surprised to see any result as this will be a tight game, but I will say 1-0 but Man utd to still win the league. I can see Liverpool as capable here, because they are fantastic in big games, but Man Utd just don't have the same pressure on them, and even if they lost this and dropped a few points, I seriously doubt that Liverpool will win all the games left this season.

I think Liverpool might edge 2nd overall, behind by 1-4 points, but they will draw to many remaining games to close the gap all the way. I just hope Chelsea slip out of the top 4 before the end, but it doesn't look like happening...

Killfacer

13th March 2009, 17:38

13th March 2009, 20:08

The win goes to Man Utd, and not that hard imo, maybe a 2-0, 3-1, something like that, they are a lighting fire in front, and a brick wall in the back, one of the most "complete" teams have ever existed.Liverpool does play good on C.L i do not know why, but on PL they cant keep up.It will be a good game though i think, interesting, even if Man Utd should absolutely suicide to loose this year championship!

Fuserg9:star:

Hegemonicretribution

13th March 2009, 20:50

Liverpool does play good on C.L i do not know why, but on PL they cant keep up.It will be a good game though i think, interesting, even if Man Utd should absolutely suicide to loose this year championship!

Fuserg9:star:

Kind of true, but Liverpool do have the best record against "big teams" this year. Beaten Man Utd once, Chelsea twice, drew with Arsenal....

Sure Man Utd have the fuller squad, and they are more consistent, but for the big game, whether PL or CL you can't write off the team with the best record, even if they are away. Man Utd simply won 1-0 a lot of games similar to those which Liverpool drew, which is why they are so far in front.

Of course any result could happen.

13th March 2009, 22:51

Issued H-L-V-S a PM warning for spamming this forum, please this ISNTchit-chat.

Wanted Man

14th March 2009, 10:15

I hate to say it, but I can't see beyond Man United either.

Killfacer

14th March 2009, 13:13

Well, we will shortly see.

My prediction:

Manchest United 2 Liverpool 1

Killfacer

14th March 2009, 14:47

well there goes my shitty prediction.

2-1 liverpool, game on.

RedAnarchist

14th March 2009, 15:28

I doubt liverpool are capable of scoring 3 goals at old trafford.

Really? You doubt that, do you?

Killfacer

14th March 2009, 15:29

Really? You doubt that, do you?
:lol::lol: :thumbup:

Fair play red, can't say i expected it.

14th March 2009, 15:46

HOLY SHIT!:blink::blink:

RedAnarchist

14th March 2009, 15:51

My prediction was almost 100%, but I got the number of goals right at least.

Killfacer

14th March 2009, 15:54

My prediction was almost 100%, but I got the number of goals right at least.

Hats off to the master

Black Dagger

14th March 2009, 16:59

Fuck yeah!!!!! :d

ComradeOm

14th March 2009, 17:33

Big, big win. It'll be interesting to see if this throws Utd off for the remaining games. A win would have kept Liverpool in the title chase but one of this magnitude...

Picky Bugger

14th March 2009, 21:23

I honestly can't see this affecting Man Utd too much, Sir Alex wouldn't let it happen and they have to much experience. One bad day rarely affects a season, for instance Newcastle got beat 5-1 by Liverpool at St. James but look at us now, top of the world :p

Black Dagger

15th March 2009, 04:08

Come on now.

From all reports they looked a shadow of their glorious form - esp. Vidic, but also C. Ronaldo and Rooney up front.

And of course this result will have more effect than just confidence, Vidic - arguably the best defender in the world right now - was sent off in the game, so they'll be missing him for three games - absolutely huge loss to the team (he also contributes goals).

Killfacer

17th March 2009, 17:19

Black Dagger

18th March 2009, 03:04

No doubt (unfortunately).

Vanguard1917

18th March 2009, 06:13

Meh rooney is shit. Tevez is about 5 billion time better.

Quite a controversial statement there.

I think they're still going to win the prem though

Of course (fortunately).

Coggeh

18th March 2009, 06:45

Now that utd are down and surely liverpool will mess up , the path is clear for newcastle to swoop in and steal the title :lol:

Killfacer

18th March 2009, 10:49

Quite a controversial statement there.

Of course (fortunately).

It's not even controversial. Rooney can't score for shit, so he runs up and down a lot to get into the fan's good books. He is the Dirk Kuyt of Man U.

18th March 2009, 13:25

Killfacer

18th March 2009, 17:27

Rooney is amongst the best strikers around, and far greater than tevez especially comparing there performances in the field!I dont have a porblem with Tevez, i think he is a great attacker too, but "worse" than Rooney nonetheless!

Fuserg9:star:

Rooney used to be good, but he runs around far too much now. He's a striker, he should start playing like one.

h0m0revolutionary

19th March 2009, 15:27

Rooney used to be good, but he runs around far too much now. He's a striker, he should start playing like one.

No way, Roony's a legend!

Considering his bulldozer size he can run!

anyhows not too bothered about this came, liverpool can have their little victory, we're 4 points clear with a game in hand. Wh00000

=D

RedAnarchist

19th March 2009, 15:30

No way, Roony's a legend!

Considering his bulldozer size he can run!

anyhows not too bothered about this came, liverpool can have their little victory, we're 4 points clear with a game in hand. Wh00000

=D

A Man Utd fan in Liverpool?

h0m0revolutionary

19th March 2009, 16:18

Yeah a Utd-loving scouser!

I'm about as rare as the Dodo =)
... and destined to the same fate as the dodo should I wear a Utd top in my local area x_X

Wanted Man

22nd March 2009, 12:05

I'll just post in this thread for English football. :lol:

Anyway, great stuff yesterday. Seeing Manure like this was very pleasing, a nice bit of schadenfreude. And Spurs beating Chelsea was delightful too.

22nd March 2009, 12:28

I'll just post in this thread for English football. :lol:

Fixed:p

Anyway, great stuff yesterday. Seeing Manure like this was very pleasing, a nice bit of schadenfreude. And Spurs beating Chelsea was delightful too.

Shit, another defeat for Man.Utd:(Another red, another penalty...And they had some great chances, but they founded swarz(dont remember exactly the name:p) in great form and a bit luck.League gets more interesting that it seemed!

Fuser9:star:

Wanted Man

23rd March 2009, 01:13

dcYXZfpmvk4

:laugh::laugh:

Picky Bugger

23rd March 2009, 19:32

Going down we are going down etc etc. At least I'll be able to afford to see the Toon next year.

Bandito

24th March 2009, 14:55

Hegemonicretribution

24th March 2009, 15:16

Hey, Leeds are getting up through play offs for sure!! I have done it on the last 3 football manager games, so that means it must happen for real. I think I will stay with my original top 4 predictions for the year: 1 Liverpool, 2 Man Utd, 3 Arsenal (come on) and 4 Chelsea.

I still have a bit of a soft spot for Newcastle so hope they hang around, but it is Notts Forest I most want to stay up this year. fingers crossed!

Devrim

24th March 2009, 15:24

I think I will stay with my original top 4 predictions for the year: 1 Liverpool, 2 Man Utd, 3 Arsenal (come on) and 4 Chelsea.

I can't see it at all. In my opinion it will be United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal.

Devrim

Picky Bugger

26th March 2009, 02:22

Do you think that Newcastle United is going down this year?
Seems pretty unusual that a club that rich get relegated,don't you? Or has that fat bloke Ashley ruined the club that much? On the oter hand....there already is an example of Leeds.
Note: they are 18th now with 29 pts,in the relegation zone.

I don't think our situation is totally comparable to Leeds, it's not as if we have bankrupted ourselves. But like Leeds total and utter mismanagement has wounded us, except the period that Newcaslte have been mismanaged has been much longer. Ever since Keegan destroyed the set up by doing stupid things such as selling all the youth team we have been a mess. There was a bright period when Bobby Robson was in charge but he got sacked for some in indecipherable reason we have been sinking slowly down the leage. Now we are no better than West Brom and Middlesborough, anyway I digress.

The issue around Mike Ashley is again of mismanagement. The set up when Keegan returned was unworkable and the misfortune of our temp manager needing a heart operation has only made things worse, that coupled with the stupid fan protests has really messed this season up. I think that if we do manage to stay up and that is a big IF the club should sort itself out, Ashley seems to be acting differently and thankfully there is no chance of Keegan coming back.

At the moment it is looking very bad but then again a season in the championship may not be that bad for the fucked up mess that is Newcastle UTD.

Bandito

26th March 2009, 19:03

What did Keegan fuck up? Did he fuck up by telling the owner to stay the fuck away from his business? Let me rephrase King Kev: "If you can do it better,do it yourself"
That is exactly what Mike Ashley did. He looses millions on roullet with a smile on his face. A real-life-new-capitalist-spoiled-pig. I see his position as a child with a toy. Only he wears scarf with the toy's name on it. Kinnear? Hughton? They couldn't manage a lower-league club.
I see only one reason for this situatuon of once glorious club-and he's there in the stands playing with his lard.

Devrim

26th March 2009, 22:41

What did Keegan fuck up?

Can you be more specific? Are we talking about Newcastle, England, City, or Newcastle II?

He didn't do that badly at Fulham though.

Devrim

Picky Bugger

26th March 2009, 23:15

Keegan closed down the youth system and bought players that he didn't bother scouting for inflated prices the way he ran the club was totally and utterly unsustainable as has been proven by the massive debt we got in. He was well out of his league when he managed England and the fact he walked out on us again is further proof that he can't handle being a modern Premier League manager.

Yes Ashley is a fuck and he hasn't helped the club but he is just a piece in a long line of shit that has owned/controlled/managed the club.

Criticism of Kinnear is harsh, at least he had the balls to stand up and take the job unlike everyone else in the footballing world. As for Houghton he is a COACH not a manager and he been thrown into a very difficult situation.

The club has not been glorious for a very very very long time...

Chicano Shamrock

27th March 2009, 08:16

A Man Utd fan in Liverpool?
Yeah they are called Glory Hunters ;) It makes up for most of Man U's fans. :laugh:

Bandito

27th March 2009, 11:49

Keegan closed down the youth system and bought players that he didn't bother scouting for inflated prices the way he ran the club was totally and utterly unsustainable as has been proven by the massive debt we got in.
Dennis Wise,not Keegan.

Criticism of Kinnear is harsh, at least he had the balls to stand up and take the job unlike everyone else in the footballing world.
Bottle of whiskey and "GIVE ME THE DAMN CLUB,GULP...I WILL...TAKE IT....TO THE...WHEREVEAAAA..." Also put Jonas on the left,Duff on the right and play Nicky Butt and Ameobi. Whooohooo!

Picky Bugger

27th March 2009, 12:19

No you misunderstand. Firstly Dennis Wise has not closed down the youth system at all, as much as I dislike the little runt he has brought in some good youngsters, the youth system is one of the best areas of the club now (not hard to achieve granted.) I am talking about the first time Keegan was in charge, we had some relative success at the time but his mismanagement messed up the clubs foundations and got us in lots of debt.

Granted he isn't the best manager in the world but he has tried to help us when we needed it most. To criticise him for that is just plain wrong.

Bandito

27th March 2009, 15:52

ComradeOm

27th March 2009, 17:32

Criticism of Kinnear is harsh, at least he had the balls to stand up and take the job unlike everyone else in the footballing worldUnlike "everybody else in the footballing world", Kinnear was out of work and with nothing to lose. And with a very big paycheck to gain if he kept Newcastle up

Edit: Given was smart enough to spot a sinking ship and he got out while he could... several years too late in my opinion

Picky Bugger

28th March 2009, 01:34

I think otherwise,comrade.
You talk about good youngsters. That are where exactly?
As for Kinnear,my first impression was that he looked like a "manager with a heart". I was still trying to bypass the fact that he was brought to the Toon as a replacement for Keegan and judge the simple facts. Former Wimbledon Reserves,Luton Town and N'Forest's manager. Doesn't looke like a PL quality. But let him do the job,if he proves me wrong,I'll be happy. That's it.
Later on,his lack of tactical knowledge became more obvious. Starting with no midfielders at all,besides Nicky Butt seems mad. Do I really have to comment Ameobi? Than,pushing S.Taylor to the CB,when we all know that he is best at RB. But,hey,switching sides of Jonas and Duff(or N'Zogbia,when he was around)? That didn't work one time,didn't work second time,didn't work the third time...why keep pushing it? And much more.
Terrible tactics.
You take Joe Kinnear as a cool guy,which me might actually be,pointing out that "he took us when nobody wanted us",but you are missing the thing that he is not a good manager. That's my thinking comrade.
Have a nice day and Go Toon!

I agree that he is not a good manager but he is better than no manager and that is certainly the situation we would have been left in for a while after 'King' Kev walked out on us again. I in no way said he was Premier League quality over a long period but we needed someone with discipline to control the dressing room after his highness left, I think Joe did this. It is probable that extending his contract was a bad idea.

The youth players are in the youth academy where they should be it will be several years yet before they are of a first team standard. Young players should not be rushed into first team football until they are ready or if they are incredibly special aka Rooney, it is not surprising that you have not noticed them.

ComradeOm you edit about Given is pretty flippant and doesn't give the player nor the fans of Newcastle Utd the respect they deserve.

ComradeOm

28th March 2009, 12:13

ComradeOm you edit about Given is pretty flippant and doesn't give the player nor the fans of Newcastle Utd the respect they deserve.Given is a fantastic player, consistently ranked as one of the league's top keepers, who has given twelve years to that club. What he deserves is to be competing for top honours but in the end he just couldn't take the sheer madness of the asylum any more. Until Newcastle get their house in order (and preferably a proper manager) they 'deserve' neither respect nor the services of players of Given's calibre

Bandito

28th March 2009, 15:15

Given proved his commitment to NUFC many times,so he can go with respect. I wish him luck. By luck i mean being spotted in Europe like one of the best keepers in world that he is.
Also when City comes to play at SJP,the fans will be singing and chanting his name. He deserves that.

Picky Bugger

30th March 2009, 09:41

I agree Atheist Given should be seen as one of the best in Europe, not sure if he will get that at Man City, I always thought he would leave us for Arsenal but apparently not.

It's a shame for Joe Hart that he did sign for Man City though, hopefully Joe will move away from City as England need our good your keepers getting the most experience possible.

Killfacer

31st March 2009, 19:22

I really do with Given had gone to arsenal, he's a quality player, certainly a lot better than Almunia.

Top 5 goalies in europe:

1. Buffon
2. Casillas
3. Cech
4. Reina
5. Frey

31st March 2009, 19:50

Where the fuck Van Der Sar is?The guy is god, he had some mistakes lately, but he as of recently, smashed some great records.He is an excellent keeper.

Fuserg9:star:

Killfacer

31st March 2009, 19:59

Meh, i never rated Van Der Sar that highly.

Bandito

1st April 2009, 12:55

Alan Shearer appointed as new manager of Newcastle United!
:cool::cool:

Killfacer

1st April 2009, 15:35

Alan Shearer appointed as new manager of Newcastle United!
:cool::cool:

Could be a good choice. Not that i think he's going to be a tactical genius or anything, but he should galvanise the fans and the players.

Bandito

1st April 2009, 16:33

Not that i think he's going to be a tactical genius or anything
People said the same thing when Alex Ferguson took over MUTD.

Killfacer

1st April 2009, 17:40

People said the same thing when Alex Ferguson took over MUTD.

Have you seen Shearer on MOTD? He's a fucking idiot.

Bandito

2nd April 2009, 11:44

Killfacer

2nd April 2009, 21:02

MOTD?
Please,i'm a dumb fuck that doesn't speak english as a mother tongue.
Post scriptum:
Many footballers and managers seem like they don't have brains. Most of them don't,beacause all they do in life is follow the damn ball and formations. But to say Alan Shearer is an idiot...outrageous.

Oops, my apologies, i didn't see that you were Serbian!

MOTD, or Match of the Day, is the weekley highlights show on the BBC. Basically Alan Shearer was a pundit on it and he was a friggin idiot.

He was a brillaint goal scorer, but he's a bit of a thicko.

Bandito

3rd April 2009, 11:21

As i said,you don't actually need much intelligence to know football. What he has is loads of expirience as a footballer,as a leader and as a local hero. Just take a look on great footballers and managers in their interviews...most of them look kind of shallow. Redknapp,for example,looks like he can't graduate in elementary school,but he does know football. Examples are everywhere.
However,i watched Alan Shearer talk many times and i didn't see that. He isn't a professional PR,which would mean he has to know with words. He's definately not stupid. And that is me being objective,not because it's my favourite player of all times,which he is. :)

Devrim

3rd April 2009, 12:51

Not that i think he's going to be a tactical genius or anything People said the same thing when Alex Ferguson took over MUTD.

No, they didn't. When Ferguson took over at Manchester United, he had broke the dominance of Rangers and Celtic in Scottish football winning three titles, numerous Scottish cups and a UEFA Cup Winners' Cup.

Alan Shearer on the other hand has precisely no experience at all of managing a football club, let alone of winning titles.

I don't know if he is stupid when I have seen him presenting on TV he has been dull boring and predictable, but I think that is what the BBC is paying him for.

Devrim

Killfacer

3rd April 2009, 13:16

No, they didn't. When Ferguson took over at Manchester United, he had broke the dominance of Rangers and Celtic in Scottish football winning three titles, numerous Scottish cups and a UEFA Cup Winners' Cup.

Alan Shearer on the other hand has precisely no experience at all of managing a football club, let alone of winning titles.

I don't know if he is stupid when I have seen him presenting on TV he has been dull boring and predictable, but I think that is what the BBC is paying him for.

Devrim

You're right, usually he is just dull and boring. However, during the euro coverage some of the things he said made him seem pretty god damn stupid.

Bandito

3rd April 2009, 14:41

No, they didn't
Vast majority was pretty unsure about signing Ferguson. Yes, he did make a tremedeous success with Aberdeen in Scottish league and Cup,but in England he wasn't rated as much as he deserved.

Stranger Than Paradise

4th April 2009, 08:46

I think Shearer can keep Newcastle up. He was always going to go there at one stage.

Devrim

4th April 2009, 09:36

Vast majority was pretty unsure about signing Ferguson. Yes, he did make a tremedeous success with Aberdeen in Scottish league and Cup,but in England he wasn't rated as much as he deserved.

As I remember it (being a United LMTB holder at the time), the Untied crowd was pretty enthusiastic when Ferguson came (though it did turn on him later).

I don't think you can really compare Ferguson going to United with Shearer going to Newcastle.

Alex was an established manager with a European trophy and three league titles under his belt. More importantly he had broken the Celtic-Rangers 'duopoly' in Scotland. That's why he was brought in, to break Liverpool's dominance.

Shearer has no experience at all and is a bit of a gamble. On the positive side bringing in a new manager often inspires players to preform better, and he might be able to do that.

Devrim

Stranger Than Paradise

4th April 2009, 13:29

Shearer has no experience at all and is a bit of a gamble. On the positive side bringing in a new manager often inspires players to preform better, and he might be able to do that.

Devrim

that's the only basis they've appointed him on but I do feel it'll be sufficient. They're going to want to play for Shearer.

Bandito

4th April 2009, 14:43

They're going to want to play for Shearer.
For sure.

As I remember it (being a United LMTB holder at the time), the Untied crowd was pretty enthusiastic when Ferguson came (though it did turn on him later).

I don't think you can really compare Ferguson going to United with Shearer going to Newcastle.

Alex was an established manager with a European trophy and three league titles under his belt. More importantly he had broken the Celtic-Rangers 'duopoly' in Scotland. That's why he was brought in, to break Liverpool's dominance.

Shearer has no experience at all and is a bit of a gamble. On the positive side bringing in a new manager often inspires players to preform better, and he might be able to do that.
OK,Ferguson wasn't the best example of what I was getting at. I'll try a different one. Jurgen Klinsman.

Killfacer

4th April 2009, 14:58

OK,Ferguson wasn't the best example of what I was getting at. I'll try a different one. Jurgen Klinsman.

Bayern Munich aren't even top of the bundesliga and his team has been horribly inconsistant.

Back to the premier league: I just put a £20 rolling bet on 7 fixtures. I will win £388 if i win!

Stranger Than Paradise

4th April 2009, 15:59

Bayern Munich aren't even top of the bundesliga and his team has been horribly inconsistant.

Back to the premier league: I just put a £20 rolling bet on 7 fixtures. I will win £388 if i win!

Maybe atheist meant his time as Germany manager. Then there was a lot of people questioning him and talk of no experience but he managed to get them third place in the end and became hugely popular.

Killfacer

4th April 2009, 16:06

Maybe atheist meant his time as Germany manager. Then there was a lot of people questioning him and talk of no experience but he managed to get them third place in the end and became hugely popular.

Hmmm, i think Joachim Lowe had a lot to do with their success, even when it was supposedly Klinsman.

Bandito

4th April 2009, 16:27

ComradeOm

5th April 2009, 15:08

Hmmm, i think Joachim Lowe had a lot to do with their success, even when it was supposedly Klinsman.That's what I heard as well. Lowe provided the brains of the operation while Klinsman was the public face

pastradamus

5th April 2009, 17:17

Im a West Ham fan - For all my sins.
Anywho, Man Utd are 2-1 down against villa right now.:D

pastradamus

5th April 2009, 17:39

Dammit, 2-2 now.

Killfacer

5th April 2009, 18:58

Dammit, 2-2 now.

make that 3-2 man u.

Stranger Than Paradise

6th April 2009, 20:54

glad Man utd won. Six points ahead of Villa. But now they can lose all their games, hopefully Liverpool'll win it.

Black Dagger

7th April 2009, 05:38

Poor villa, they did not deserve that. Beautiful skill by Macheda though.

7th April 2009, 09:52

Poor villa, they did not deserve that. Beautiful skill by Macheda though.

Yeah, first time i saw the goal, i said pshhh was lucky, but on the slowmotion and on replay seemed that he exactly wanted to do that thing, and he did it beautifully.That goal was great, the "kid" has future, for sure.

Fuserg9:star:

h0m0revolutionary

7th April 2009, 09:57

Yeah, first time i saw the goal, i said pshhh was lucky, but on the slowmotion and on replay seemed that he exactly wanted to do that thing, and he did it beautifully.That goal was great, the "kid" has future, for sure.

Fuserg9:star:

Absolutly!

I loved the reaction of the commentators when he first came on. They were like 'Ohh Frergies clearly desperate now, this is a very desperate move form a very desperate man!'

And they were saying how bad Nani must feel being substituted for a 17 year old.

Haha Fergie's still got it!

PC81

7th April 2009, 10:46

Martin Tyler and Andy Gray are Man United supporters. ****s the two of them.

Devrim

7th April 2009, 11:06

Absolutly!

I loved the reaction of the commentators when he first came on. They were like 'Ohh Frergies clearly desperate now, this is a very desperate move form a very desperate man!'

And they were saying how bad Nani must feel being substituted for a 17 year old.

Haha Fergie's still got it!

I think he has 'still got it', but I watched that match on TV and he made big mistakes. Yes, he was missing important players, but the idea of putting a not match fit Neville against a much bigger strike was one obvious mistake. Really United were lucky at the weekend.

Devrim

Bandito

7th April 2009, 13:18

Agreed.

Stranger Than Paradise

12th April 2009, 12:29

Andrei Arshavin is a god. I have no doubts when I say he's our best player. He changes every game he plays.

12th April 2009, 15:45

That kid did it again!!!!Although the last goal was lucky, thats for sure, Ferguson seems to have a "joker" at the bench! ;)

Killfacer

12th April 2009, 17:26

Andrei Arshavin is a god. I have no doubts when I say he's our best player. He changes every game he plays.

Great ain't it. Starting to look like a bit of a bargain.

Stranger Than Paradise

12th April 2009, 17:38

Great ain't it. Starting to look like a bit of a bargain.

I know. Just goes to show what spending a bit of money can do. I mean he's 27 but I think he can contribute at this level for maybe another 5 years.

Killfacer

12th April 2009, 17:41

I know. Just goes to show what spending a bit of money can do. I mean he's 27 but I think he can contribute at this level for maybe another 5 years.

Yep. I can't wait for next season, i reckon we could actually mount a title challenge.

Stranger Than Paradise

12th April 2009, 19:30

Yep. I can't wait for next season, i reckon we could actually mount a title challenge.

Yeah so do I. If we can keep everyone our squad looks like it has some depth for the first time in a while. Our attack is so strong with everyone fit: Arshavin, Ade, RVP, Rosicky, Walcott, Nasri, Cesc, Eddie.... Still got a European Cup and FA Cup to win in this one though....

Black Dagger

14th April 2009, 02:47

Now all the gunners need is a decent holding midfielder (Denilson doesn't qualify IMO), perhaps someone with a bit more experience as well.

Wanted Man

19th April 2009, 22:12

Newcastle = fucked.

ComradeOm

19th April 2009, 22:16

Newcastle = fucked.Good. With Newcastle, Boro, and West Brom going down my beloved Bolton should be safe. For another season at least

Wow. I guess sport is divisive

Wanted Man

19th April 2009, 22:22

By the way, dumbest banner of the week spotted at White Hart Lane: a Northern Ireland flag with a Star of David in the middle. :rolleyes:

Bandito

20th April 2009, 10:32

Newcastle = fucked.
Yep.
And next week comes raging L'Pool...
Championship, here we come.

Black Dagger

20th April 2009, 10:57

Well i guess Owen is off to man city :p

Bandito

20th April 2009, 13:54

He already has a "gentleman's agreement" with them.
Martins,Jonas,Bassong,Taylor will also go for sure.
As long as money is being stuffed into Mike Ashley's pocket,it doesn't matter where the club is.

Picky Bugger

20th April 2009, 16:47

Nah we will be fine you just wait and see. 15 points from the last five matches will give us a good end to the season and end Liverpools title challenge at the same time.

Europe next season, then the league...

Stranger Than Paradise

20th April 2009, 17:12

I hope Boro and Newcastle can bothe get out of the relegation zone. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the back of Hull.

Picky Bugger

20th April 2009, 17:22

Boro wont their fixtures are too hard and they are a scum club. :D

Do the BBC predictor I keep getting Hull going down so hopefully that'll be the case, saying that Newcastle keep coming 13th :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/predictor/default.stm

Stranger Than Paradise

20th April 2009, 18:52

Boro aren't a scum club. Yeah I do the predictor all the time, keep getting Portsmouth going down.

Picky Bugger

20th April 2009, 19:07

Hmmm never managed to get them going down, I just do a simple 1 - 0 scenario maybe goal difference would change that.

Bandito

20th April 2009, 21:12

Hull vs Liverpool
Villa vs Hull
Hull vs Stoke
Bolton vs Hull
Hull vs Man. Utd

Seems like Hull is fucked.

Arsenal vs Boro
Boro vs Man Utd
Toon vs Boro
Boro vs Villa
West Ham vs Boro

Boro is screwed

Looks like if NUFC beats Boro, Pompey and Fulham... we stay in the League.

Neither Hull or Boro will beat anyone till the end of the season,that's my opinion, so, only a point or two for them.
If Newcastle wins these three, and of course get ass kicked by Liverpool,they will have 39 points. Hull City 37(max!),and Boro no more than 32 or 33.

It goes without saying that one relegation spot is reserved for WBA.

Picky Bugger

20th April 2009, 21:21

Yeah that's pretty much the conclusion i've reached. It rests pretty much of us winning our home games but our home form isn't great.

Going to the Pompy game so that should be tense better not eat much or I may be sick :crying:

Bandito

20th April 2009, 21:59

Our FORM is shit.
Home or away.

A few slaps from Shearer should improve things.

Devrim

21st April 2009, 13:46

Looks like if NUFC beats Boro, Pompey and Fulham... we stay in the League.

Neither Hull or Boro will beat anyone till the end of the season,that's my opinion, so, only a point or two for them.
If Newcastle wins these three, and of course get ass kicked by Liverpool,they will have 39 points. Hull City 37(max!),and Boro no more than 32 or 33.

It goes without saying that one relegation spot is reserved for WBA.

There is only one problem with this logic. It involves Newcastle winning three games. So far this season they have only 6 wins out of 33 games (18%), and you expect them to get 3 out of 5 (60%). Newcastle have only won one match since mid-December and that was against WBA.

You are right Middlesbrough are in a bad position. Hull seem to be in free-fall, but I am not sure if Newcastle are capable of winning two of those matches, let alone three.

Devrim

Bandito

21st April 2009, 15:21

Yes, i am aware of that.
But stranger things have happened to Newcastle in the past years. :)
Seriously now, i doubt NUFC will win three matches, especially now with half of the team injured and the rest totally demotivated and unaware of the situation (Coloccini is probably the best example). Further more, Geordies don't have midfield. Butt couldn't be any worse than this, Barton is injured and problematic, Guthrie seems like a man who can't stand the pressure, and Nolan didn't fit well in the team. Wingers are confused with constant tactic changes. Defence is butchered by injuries or incomplete fitness. The only Left Back in the team, Jose Enrique is injured and it looks like a 3-5-2 formation simply doesn't work. Only defenders who played the whole season for passing grade are Bassong and S. Taylor. And they are both just back from injuries, even Taylor is not certain if he can play or not. Harper, the goalie, is a bit unsure. The man was Given's substitute for years, and nobody expects him to play in Given's level, but it sure doesn't mean anything if you keep conceiding goals.
Attack?
Just look at the names.
Owen,Martins,Ameobi,Viduka,Alan Smith,Carrol, Ranger.
And NOBODY isn't in form.
Owen and Martins can't work together, and both of them suffer from recent injuries. Smith hasn't scored a goal in years, litterally. Viduka can only play for about 10 mins, beacuse of recent injury, and the fact that the man is old and fat.
Ameobi is NUFC's tumor for years, and nobody knows why every single manager is playing him.
Carrol is young and has perspective, but no expirience. Even considering that, he is probably the best player Toon has at the moment in attacking position.
Ranger hasn't hade his debut yet, people say he's promising, but nobody really knows.

Only luck and a pinch of Shearer's charisma can make any difference.
Maybe.
Hope dies last. :)

Stranger Than Paradise

21st April 2009, 22:39

What a game tonight. Once again I have to say it: Arshavin is god.

But our defending was a shambles tonight. Wenger needs to take notice, WE NEED A TALL CB.

Black Dagger

22nd April 2009, 04:48

Man, everytime it looks like we might have a chance to steal the league title from under man u's nose it slips away again :( A good game, but we needed the three points.

RebelDog

22nd April 2009, 07:47

Mind and leave some room for Celtic & Rangers to join. But, if they ever do join the English Premier League, they have the potential to be bigger than any English clubs.

Stranger Than Paradise

22nd April 2009, 07:53

Man, everytime it looks like we might have a chance to steal the league title from under man u's nose it slips away again :( A good game, but we needed the three points.

Yeah sorry about that, but then again, they could lose tomorrrow....

Devrim

22nd April 2009, 08:00

Yeah sorry about that, but then again, they could lose tomorrrow....

The point is though that they could lose tomorrow, and still win it. From their seven remaining games United now need to win 5, and draw 1, and that is if Liverpool win all of their games.

United are limping over the line, but I think they will make it. Whatever jitters they have had and despite the fact that they are not playing well, I think that there is too much experience there to fall down now.

Devrim

Devrim

22nd April 2009, 08:02

Mind and leave some room for Celtic & Rangers to join. But, if they ever do join the English Premier League, they have the potential to be bigger than any English clubs.

They will never be allowed to join. It isn't in the immediate interests of the English clubs.

Devrim

RebelDog

22nd April 2009, 08:11

They will never be allowed to join. It isn't in the immediate interests of the English clubs.

Devrim

I understand that. Something like the old proposal for an 'Atlantic League' could possibly resurface.

22nd April 2009, 12:42

Man Utd will get it, i dont know about the Champions League but i hope they get that too, i like that team since a kid(i think red fascinate me :p) and i like the way they play football especially when they are in form.

Fuserg9:star:

Invader Zim

22nd April 2009, 12:51

I hate united. But I have to agree, though it pains me, I think United have it in the bag. It made my day when Everton knocked them out of the FA cup the other day. I hope that Arsenal thrash the shit out of them in the Champions league too. And I hate Arsenal as well. I just hate United more.

The thought of smug United fans, proclaiming that they have won the 'nth'uple this year fills me with horror.

Bandito

22nd April 2009, 13:36

But our defending was a shambles tonight. Wenger needs to take notice, WE NEED A TALL CB.
Attack also didn't work. Yes, Arshavin was unbelieveable, but Arsenal only had one corner kick during the game where there were 8 goals.

Stranger Than Paradise

22nd April 2009, 18:10

Attack also didn't work. Yes, Arshavin was unbelieveable, but Arsenal only had one corner kick during the game where there were 8 goals.

Yeah we weren't at our best but everytime we have the ball in an advanced area we look dangerous with quick passing moves. We've scored 100 goals this year, it definitely shouldn't be a concern.

RebelDog

22nd April 2009, 23:53

Attack also didn't work. Yes, Arshavin was unbelieveable, but Arsenal only had one corner kick during the game where there were 8 goals.

Arsenal score 4 goals at Anfield and you complain they only had one corner.

Black Dagger

23rd April 2009, 04:06

Second place sucks! And now i read that Rafa is chasing Santa Cruz in the summer - UGH. We've already got one injury-prone striker we don't need another! Please Rafa, get a new winger, a defender to replace Agger (if he leaves) and a new CF or SS to partner Torres who is young and not prone to injury. At the moment we have no real back-up for Torres; and even though we still won most of our games whilst he was injured it's really a bit of a gamble. Kuyt has been solid this season but lacks attacking flair, Babel - meh, N'Gog - just a bit player, still very green.

Let's put David Villa up front with Torres, get Silva on the wing - and we'll be one step closer to being the Champions of Europe (literally, Spanish NT ftw).

Devrim

23rd April 2009, 08:29

I think that it is about time for people at Liverpool to be thinking whether or not Rafa is the man for the job. Certainly he has improved Liverpool massively and he made them European Champions. However, I don't think it is likely that he will get a chance to win the leagues like he has this season again, and I think that he has blown it. Of course there is still the chance that United could auto-destruct, but last nights result makes it look increasingly unlikely.

This year United have been weaker than last, and have almost managed to implode over the last few weeks. With Arsenal it took the majority of the season for the pieces to begin to fit together, and Chelsea changed managers mid race because they were worried about whether they would even make the Champions league.

Really the big three, and I say big three not big four because Liverpool have not won a title in the modern era, were there for the taking. Yet Liverpool failed to produce the consistency to take advantage of it*.

Next season will be much tougher. I think Arsenal will be much more competitive, and Chelsea may be depending on who ends up managing them.

Looking at Rafa's achievements at Liverpool, in five seasons in which he has spent in total more than Manchester United, he has won A Champions League, an FA cup and a couple of glorified friendlies (Community Shield and Super Cup).

I am not saying it is time for him to go. I think that it would probably be a mistake to get rid of him. The owners of Liverpool must be starting to think about it though.

Devrim

*Of course if Liverpool end up winning the title now, I will end up with more than one egg on my face but I can't see it happening.

Black Dagger

23rd April 2009, 08:52

However, I don't think it is likely that he will get a chance to win the leagues like he has this season again, and I think that he has blown it.

Considering our main striker has been reduced to a bit-player until recently through injury, is that really fair? I mean, if Torres was fully fit for the whole season i think a lot more of these draws would have potentially been converted into victories (it's these draws that have separated Man U and Liverpool on points, not losses as we have rarely been beaten). As it stands Liverpool is undefeated at home this season (the only team which can boast such a record). This does however include some disappointing draws, but i think at least some of this can be put down to us lacking the killing finish that a Torres-less attack entails (Torres has a habit of scoring at Anfield).

I also think that coming second in probably the most competitive league in europe is pretty harsh grounds for accusations of 'failure' (also considering that at the turn of the year liverpool were actually on top). It was the drawn matches that killed our title hopes, other than that this season has been filled with promising results - beating chelsea, arsenal, man u (twice)- in the league (thrashing many teams, inc. Man U, Real Madrid in Madrid etc.) Disappointing in the end not to win it after all that, but i think you paint a picture that is a tad too gloomy.

Devrim

23rd April 2009, 09:01

Yes, I think this is totally fair. Every team has injuries. Liverpool's problem is not that they had a few injuries, everyone has those, but the fact that their entire game plan is built around two players, and when those players are injured or suspended, they look a bit lost to be honest.

Devrim

Black Dagger

23rd April 2009, 09:10

I disagree. Liverpool won most of the matches where Torres didn't play, ditto for the few Gerrard has missed. Your argument is not backed up by the statistics. Also, obviously a team will look 'a bit lost' when their captain is missing... I do agree that being dependant on such players is a negative - which is why Rafa needs to buy another world-class striker in the summer (something he knows, Keane was meant to be this player but didn't fire), but the team itself has peformed very well even when these players have been missing (that's liverpools main strength actually, as a team their mentality is great). Actually i think on the whole, Liverpool's squad has performed way beyond anything they deserve to in Europe and in the League when you compare their quality and depth with some of the other teams they have beaten, liverpool is not a world class team (in terms of individuals) - not even close.

Devrim

23rd April 2009, 09:26

Actually i think on the whole, Liverpool's squad has performed way beyond anything they deserve to in Europe and in the League when you compare their quality and depth with some of the other teams they have beaten,

The question is though why Liverpool don't have the depth when their spending outstrips that of Manchester United. Surely the manager has to take at least part of the blame for that.

I disagree. Liverpool won most of the matches where Torres didn't play, ditto for the few Gerrard has missed. Your argument is not backed up by the statistics.

I would like to see the statistics.

Also, obviously a team will look 'a bit lost' when their captain is missing...

Gary Neville, the captain of Manchester United has played 13 league games in the last two seasons due to injuries; the result not a 'lost' team but a title last year and another on the way this one. Again it is about depth.

which is why Rafa needs to buy another world-class striker in the summer (something he knows, Keane was meant to be this player but didn't fire),

And who is to blame for this?

liverpool is not a world class team (in terms of individuals) - not even close.

Agreed, they are not even one of the big English teams. They haven't won a title since the 89-90 season, and look like they will miserably fail again this season when presented with their biggest chance in years due to the weakness of the big three clubs.

Devrim

Wanted Man

23rd April 2009, 20:30

I agree that Liverpool lack depth.

Also, who should be the new Chelsea manager, assuming Hiddink leaves at the end of the season? Media here are suggesting Rijkaard, he would be an excellent choice.

ComradeOm

24th April 2009, 01:36

Redmau5

24th April 2009, 02:14

Whatever about depth, Liverpool have momentum with them right now. In recent weeks they've scored four against Real Madrid, Man Utd, Chelsea, and Arsenal. Utd still have to be favourites for the title but I wouldn't bet against the 'Pool

They've also conceded four against Chelsea and Arsenal. Man United haven't played impressively in the league since they beat Fulham 3-0 at Old Trafford, and they're still 3 points clear of Liverpool with a game in hand.

United can play badly and still pick up the points, and that's why they'll be champions at the end of May.

Devrim

26th April 2009, 10:57

As the clock ticks down for Liverpool, rumour has it that there is widespread dislike of Rafa's methods amongst the Liverpool players.

United looked a bit shaky in the first half, but played well enough in the second. It looks like they will manage to stuble over the line and win the title.

Rafa's empty boasts about being the better team are looking to be more and more just like empty bravado.

Devrim

Black Dagger

26th April 2009, 14:16

Hate liverpool much?

Devrim

26th April 2009, 15:40

Hate liverpool much?

Not really, I just dislike the arrogance and boasting that generally comes out of the club and from its supporters.

Devrim

Holden Caulfield

26th April 2009, 17:42

Not really, I just dislike the arrogance and boasting that generally comes out of the club and from its supporters.

Devrim

Exactly that, im not really that partisan anymore (although my childhood support for Man Utd is still lingering around a bit) but I still dont want Liverpool to win stuff coz thier fans always bang on about it.

Black Dagger

27th April 2009, 06:28

Not really, I just dislike the arrogance and boasting that generally comes out of the club and from its supporters.

Devrim

Yeah, that's one way to put it i suppose :rolleyes:

Bandito

27th April 2009, 22:03

Newcastle-Portsmouth: 0-0
Expected?

Stranger Than Paradise

27th April 2009, 22:14

Newcastle-Portsmouth: 0-0
Expected?

Don't worry. Newcastle AND Middlesbrough are both staying up. You can quote me on that.

Devrim

27th April 2009, 22:15

Newcastle-Portsmouth: 0-0
Expected?

Newcastle not winning one of their 'three games'? Yes, I think so. It could have been worse. At least they took a point.

Devrim

Devrim

27th April 2009, 22:18

Don't worry. Newcastle AND Middlesbrough are both staying up. You can quote me on that.

One of them? yes, both of them? no. I feel quite certain that Hull will go, the last one will be Newcastle or Middlesbrough though.

Devrim

Sam_b

27th April 2009, 22:29

It was a terrible game for the neutral. Neither team seems able to deliver any decent balls into the box. Only Butt for Newcastle got pass marks from me. In fairness Pompey did well in the last 20 minutes to hold up the game, it was pretty evident they were playing for a point.

I can honestly see Newcastle going down, but it'll go right down to the wire. I think they'll lose against Liverpool and Villa, maybe draw with Fulham, and i'm torn on how they'll perform at Middlesborough.

Bandito

28th April 2009, 00:17

Check please!
Newcastle is off.

Picky Bugger

28th April 2009, 00:31

The best part of the match was before kick off, everyone got a free scarf and had a good sing along to Blaydon races. The match itself was an anti climax, we looked good at times and probably should have won if you strike off the last 20mins after Butt went off (he was good for once).

I still can't see Hull getting a single point and I can see us getting up to 35 points, hopefully we will be okay but Owen need to score, 0 in 9 now I believe.

Devrim

28th April 2009, 05:42

I still can't see Hull getting a single point and I can see us getting up to 35 points, hopefully we will be okay but Owen need to score, 0 in 9 now I believe.

I agree with you about Hull, but I think that everybody except blindly optimistic fans is thinking along the same lines about Newcastle.

The idea of Shearer as the 'new Geordie messiah' is beginning to look more, and more absurd. Newcastle haven't even scored a goal since he arrived.

Sunderland probably have enough points to stay up because however abysmally they are playing I can't see Middlesbrough or Newcastle getting the mere 4 points it would take to catch them

I think it will come down a battle to who is the least worse between Newcastle and Boro. A win would probably save either of them, but a draw could damn them both to relegation.

Devrim

RebelDog

28th April 2009, 05:56

The idea of Shearer as the 'new Geordie messiah' is beginning to look more, and more absurd. Newcastle haven't even scored a goal since he arrived.

I would seriously love to see a self-managed football team and what effect that would have as opposed to the status-quo.

Picky Bugger

28th April 2009, 11:44

The idea of Shearer as the 'new Geordie messiah' is beginning to look more, and more absurd. Newcastle haven't even scored a goal since he arrived.

Yes we have Andy Carroll scored against Stoke. I never got the feeling he was coming in as a new messiah and I don't think he thinks that way. He just came in to do a job and it's harder than he thought.

Sunderland probably have enough points to stay up because however abysmally they are playing I can't see Middlesbrough or Newcastle getting the mere 4 points it would take to catch themMaybe but Sunderland were dreadful at the weekend and their fixtures are difficult, will be tough for them but a win will probably keep them up.

I think it will come down a battle to who is the least worse between Newcastle and Boro. A win would probably save either of them, but a draw could damn them both to relegation.

DevrimI don't think Boro have a chance in hell,

Their fixtures are: Man Utd (H)
Newcastle (A)
Villa (H)
West Ham (A)

As bad as villa are at the moment I think they will win and Boro won't win away at west ham so it really comes down to the match against Newcastle which they will lose :D

Devrim

28th April 2009, 12:01

Yes we have Andy Carroll scored against Stoke.

Sorry, my mistake, one goal in four.

Maybe but Sunderland were dreadful at the weekend and their fixtures are difficult, will be tough for them but a win will probably keep them up.

You are right. Sunderland were dire. I am not sure they will even need a win though.

I don't think Boro have a chance in hell,

Their fixtures are: Man Utd (H)
Newcastle (A)
Villa (H)
West Ham (A)

and Newcastle have Liverpool (A), Middlesbrough (H), Fulham (H) and Villa (A)

Hardly much different. I also think it all comes down to the Newcastle vs. Boro match as I said earlier:

I think it will come down a battle to who is the least worse between Newcastle and Boro. A win would probably save either of them, but a draw could damn them both to relegation.

the match against Newcastle which they will lose :D

Faith is a charming quality.

Devrim

Picky Bugger

28th April 2009, 15:00

Sorry, my mistake, one goal in four.

Title challenging form that :D

and Newcastle have Liverpool (A), Middlesbrough (H), Fulham (H) and Villa (A)The difference is our home games are possibly winnable, there's aren't

I also think it all comes down to the Newcastle vs. Boro match as I said earlier:It probably will...

I don't like this relegation stuff, think im going to have a heart attack and i only 22 :crying:

Faith is a charming quality.It's necessary when supporting the Toon

Killfacer

28th April 2009, 16:00

It's necessary when supporting the Toon

Also necessary when supporting a team in England which isn't manchester united or chelski.

Devrim

14th May 2009, 08:50

Also necessary when supporting a team in England which isn't manchester united or chelski.
It is a bit rich an Arsenal fan playing the 'little club' card.

Devrim

Devrim

14th May 2009, 08:56

I don't like this relegation stuff, think im going to have a heart attack and i only 22 :crying:

Tell me about it. In the Turkish league the final relegation spot is being contested between six clubs with 35 or 36 points. My team Ankaragücü are prime canditates to go down in 11th place.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=tur.1&cc=5739

Think about me at my age with decades of drinking and smoking putting stress on the old heart.

Devrim