Three years in jail for journalist who threw shoe at Bush

[GracchusBabeuf]

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[StalinFanboy]

Assault isn't really protected speech. Not that it would have mattered anyway. Constitutional rights are only for a select few.

[Vahanian]

Three years for expressing his opinion? Thats American freedom of speech for you!

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/13/journalist-shoe-bush-jail)

this is bullshit, 3 years for throwing a shoe. o and btw that iraqi freedom of speech for ya not american:rolleyes:

[JohannGE]

Thats true.

US "justice" could have had him caged and tortured in Guantanamo without even the farce of a trial.

[JimmyJazz]

Break the law by throwing a shoe at someone, get three years in prison. Break the law by invading a country and causing hundreds of thousands of deaths, get not one minute in prison.

For those who are keeping score, that's justice: 0, nearly incomprehensible hypocrisy: 1

[SEKT]

I think what the journalist did was brave and deserves my recognition, I also affirm that if the 3 years sentence corresponds to the deliberation of the US and in any country you could be more than 72 hours for such a thing. It means what they are doing is only to scare people if they are thinking in thworing their shoes to the rulers. In Mexico the Major from Mexico City was received in a public act with shoes!!!


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[Lynx]

1½ years per shoe. Harsh :(

[RedSonRising]

If this isn't facism, idk what is.

[Verix]

it pisses me off, but its not surprising .... :(

[Comrade B]

Next time something is thrown at that mother fucker, lets make it more explosive.

They are saying that he was insulting a guest to the country, can hardly say Bush was a guest. I don't consider people who kick in my door and start shooting my family my "guests" just because they are in my place.

That son of a ***** Bush does not deserve the joy of being forgotten. It is in my wishes and dreams that he is dealt something preventing him from living out the rest of his days in retirement.

[jake williams]

The sentence is ridiculous, of course. But it could've been worse. And I don't know what Iraqi prisons are like, but I'm sure he'll be a hero wherever he goes.

[AvanteRedGarde]

Legalistically, some argue that since America is a invading forces and the Iraqi government was installed by the America, Bush wasn't an invited guest of the Iraqi people.

My first thought is this: Bush lead a government that kills 2-3 million people in 2 countries over the course of less than eight years and walks away. This guy- an ordinary guy- threw a pair of shoes, got his face pummeled, his arm broke and 3 years in a concentration camp. That is bourgeois "justice" for you.

[Pogue]

This.


If this isn't facism, idk what is.


Originally posted by Wikipedia:

Fascism is a radical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_radicalism), authoritarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism) nationalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism) ideology that aims to create a single-party state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-party_state) with a government led by a dictator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator) who seeks national unity and development by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective) interest of the nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation) or race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-4)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-6)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-7) Fascist movements promote violence between nations, political factions, and races as part of a social Darwinist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism) and militarist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism) stance that views violence between these groups as a natural and positive part of evolution.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-8) In the view of these groups being in perpetual conflict, fascists believe only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitalism), and have an aggressive warrior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrior) mentality by conquering, dominating, and eventually eliminating people deemed weak and degenerate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degeneration).[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-9)[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-10)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-11)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-12)
Fascist governments permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement, viewing all dissenters as enemies to be destroyed.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-13) Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective nation or race (democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy), individualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism), liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism)); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity (internationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalism_(politics)), communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism), class conflict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_conflict), laissez-faire capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire_capitalism)); that protects and empowers people deemed weak and degenerate (egalitarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism)); that seek to preserve institutions and values that restrict the social or biological development and unity of a nation or race (conservatism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism)); and that undermine the military strength and military ambitions of the nation (pacifism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism)).[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-14)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-15)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-16)[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-17)[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-18)[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-19)[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-20)[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-21)[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-22)[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-23)
Following the defeat of the Axis powers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers) in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) and the publicity surrounding the atrocities committed during the period of fascist governments, the term fascist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_(epithet)) has been used as a pejorative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pejorative) word, particularly by people with left-wing politics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics).[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-24)

[Charles Xavier]

^^^^
Thats a really shitty definition of Fascism. It even says laissez-faire capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire_capitalism) protects and empowers people deemed weak and degenerate

[Klepto]

USA has colonized Iraq.I'd say subjugated is closer the mark than colonized.

As far as the sentence goes, it's ridiculous. I don't think anyone believes that this is justice, except perhaps George Bush who claimed afterwards that he didn't understand "what the guy's beef was". Kudos to the shoe thrower, if he's ever in Scotland I'd be honoured to buy him a pint.

[Rjevan]

3 years for throwing shoes? That's more than some notorious rapists get here in Germany. Honestly, this is ridiculous. :(

^^^^
Thats a really shitty definition of Fascism. It even says laissez-faire capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire_capitalism) protects and empowers people deemed weak and degenerate
Ok, this really is a shitty article. :laugh:

[Lynx]

Draconian is a word I'd use.

[RedSonRising]

This.





Sounds about right to me.

[Dr.Claw]

A shoe?:laugh: He could't find anything better to throw than a shoe. I would give him 3 years for not throwing a brick.


Take off your shoes it's a goddamn revolution!!!:laugh:

[Vahanian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_tossing_in_the_Arab_world#Shoeing_of_George_W ._Bush

its symbolic in the Arab world to throw at shoe at someone.

[Bitter Ashes]

Three years for expressing his opinion? Thats American freedom of speech for you!

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/13/journalist-shoe-bush-jail)
The thing that bugs me the most is the blatent double standards. If this guy had thrown a shoe at a worker, would have gotton even a slap on the wrist? :mad: But if you throw one at Dubya, then you're handed an extreamly ott punishment!
WTB Justice plz!

[LOLseph Stalin]

3 years for throwing shoes?

Dude, that man was a freedom fighter and now he's going to jail!:(

[Rjevan]

Shoe symbolism in the Arab world or not, 3 years is still over the top.
But speaking of bricks: I wonder if he'd gotten less than 3 years for throwing a brick.

[Vahanian]

probbly would have gotten more. a shoe with an IED in it would have been nice

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

This is pure fascism.
Three years for throwing shoes?
What's next? Electric chair for stealing candy?

[Devrim]

This is pure fascism.
Three years for throwing shoes?
What's next? Electric chair for stealing candy?

last time I noticed a child was getting eleven years in Turkey for stealing sweet things from a shop. I think she was nine.

Devrim

[Leo]

Actually, last time I looked, a child was gunned to death in Turkey by the police for being a "terrorist". I think he was twelve.

The murderers walked.

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

I believe he has been tortured as well. So long for freedom and democracy...
He could better have thrown a grenade or something of the like, the punishment would be severe too, but at least it would have had some effect.

[KC]

I believe he has been tortured as well. So long for freedom and democracy...
He could better have thrown a grenade or something of the like, the punishment would be severe too, but at least it would have had some effect.

Yes, because Cheney would have had a much different policy for the remainder of the administration, and would have led to the next president withdrawing all troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Oh wait.:rolleyes:


I seriously wonder if some posters think before they post. Or think ever.

[Comrade B]

Yes, because Cheney would have had a much different policy for the remainder of the administration, and would have led to the next president withdrawing all troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Oh wait.http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies/001_rolleyes.gif


I seriously wonder if some posters think before they post. Or think ever.
though it wouldn't have accomplished anything... Bush deserves to die... I am not sure if it is worth throwing your life away though to kill him.

maybe if Bush and a couple cronies were up there though... not endorsing it... I am sure whoever did it would be given the flowers that the imperialists missed out on from the Iraqi people.

[*Viva La Revolucion*]

This is a ridiculous length of time and they know it. It was a symbolic gesture and it's not as though shoes could do much physical damage so they can't even call it violence. It's the same as getting 3 years in prison for telling someone to get lost.

I'd like to see mass protests outside of wherever he's being imprisoned. Thousands of people all firing shoes.

[Comrade B]

I'd like to see mass protests outside of wherever he's being imprisoned. Thousands of people all firing shoes.
It happened months ago, there was a re-posting on here because he was released