unions will destroy the system

[danyboy27]

okay, first of all, this is not a flame/troll thing, i am serious and i got big question about all that.

capitalism is about free trade and all that, tight structure of bosses and dependents employee underpaid, in order to maximize the profits for the bosses.

unions are all about worker getting together to get their share out of the buisness, they will do whatever necessary to give more to their worker.

at the end, combining the two will result in clusterfuck, bosses fighting to get more for less, and worker demanding more and more stuff from the bosses, each side threatening each other continually in a never ending struggle.

eventually, the union will destroy the buisness, or the bosses will no longer accept to fight and for its own greedy sake will dismantle the buisness.

its this class struggle?
install union in buisness so its gonna get destroyed, and we move on to another one until socialism/communism happen?

[Killfacer]

Yeah, but if you look at recent happenings, the unions in western countries simply cave in to the bosses and placate them in everyway.

[danyboy27]

Yeah, but if you look at recent happenings, the unions in western countries simply cave in to the bosses and placate them in everyway.

what do you mean? sorry killfacer, maybe my english suck today, but cave in dont mean nothing to me!

[Killfacer]

what do you mean? sorry killfacer, maybe my english suck today, but cave in dont mean nothing to me!

Well you were telling me that recently that union fucked over a lot of people in quebec. Similar things happen in England. Like a union knew people were going to be made redundant months in advance but didn't inform the employees.

I feel that the unions, in the UK at least, are now so tame that they would be incapable of helping anyone.

[Trystan]

Killfacer is right. Unions in the UK are run by useless, overpaid tossers. I mean in my mum's work they (the union officials) all got promotions for sucking up to management.

[Pogue]

The Shop Stewards and representatives at the bottom of the heirachy are great, specially in workplaces like the NHS where with Unison they are very much part of the structure.

At top theres alot of sell outs though. Make sure you know who you're criticsing because the rank and file, reps and shop stewards do a good job.

[Vahanian]

Killfacer is right. Unions in the UK are run by useless, overpaid tossers. I mean in my mum's work they (the union officials) all got promotions for sucking up to management.


The same thing is true at my dad's work the official sare all lazy over paid bastarsd that screw everyone else over

[StalinFanboy]

Yeah, but if you look at recent happenings, the unions in western countries simply cave in to the bosses and placate them in everyway.
Yeah. I was going to say that unions USED to be about workings coming together. Where I work, the store managers are also part of the union.... :confused:

[LOLseph Stalin]

I'm not so sure about that, Spetnaz. Most unions nowadays tend to give into the demands of the businesses eventually. Despite how much I hate to say it, big business always wins in situations like those.

[danyboy27]

I'm not so sure about that, Spetnaz. Most unions nowadays tend to give into the demands of the businesses eventually. Despite how much I hate to say it, big business always wins in situations like those.


syndicalysation rate in my province is about 40% , they are ALWAYS winnning.
has a matter of fact, they are slowly undermining my province industrial capability.

anyway, this is how it work right?

[Sean]

I'm not so sure about that, Spetnaz. Most unions nowadays tend to give into the demands of the businesses eventually. Despite how much I hate to say it, big business always wins in situations like those.
The general strategy for supposed capitulation to unions works by first giving the middle bosses more money, and then telling them quell any union angst. At least in my last job, middle management who werent union members used to literally rub their hands in glee when they heard of a dispute because it meant more money for them.

[LOLseph Stalin]

The general strategy for supposed capitulation to unions works by first giving the middle bosses more money, and then telling them quell any union angst. At least in my last job, middle management who werent union members used to literally rub their hands in glee when they heard of a dispute because it meant more money for them.

I was actually never a member of a Union. Fast Food restaurants don't exactly have them. They're probably not very union friendly either.

[ComradeOm]

at the end, combining the two will result in clusterfuck, bosses fighting to get more for less, and worker demanding more and more stuff from the bosses, each side threatening each other continually in a never ending struggle.

eventually, the union will destroy the buisness, or the bosses will no longer accept to fight and for its own greedy sake will dismantle the buisnessUnions have been around, in various modern forms, for at least a 150 years now. Have they destroyed capitalism? Why not?

What you are describing is 'revolutionary syndicalism' which has not been a major communist current since the 1920s. Largely because, as posters above have suggested, unions have not proven to be remotely revolutionary

[danyboy27]

yea well, i didnt explained my views of the situations verry well about this, anf afterwhile, i realized that what i have been stating was more or less true

still, in my province i have been able to saw differents paths the union are taking when they are installed at a working place, none of them actually leading capitalist or socialist into something they wanted.

you got unmotivated people hating their bosses, hating their job, being paid enormous amount of money to do strictly the minimum. that what happen in the public sector, and that what happen in the private sector when union are installed here. not mentionning that, has a worker, voting against strike and other unions proposition can end up verry bad for your health, or at least that how it work here.

the public sector in quebec is in self destruct mode for year now, unions are doing everything they can to protect everyone, including the lazy one and the incompetent, our education quality is deteriorating beccause we cant fire incompetent teachers, reform cannot be instaured beccause union dont agree with them.

that will eventually make the system collapse, or at least from my understanding it will.

just hope nobody gonna call me traitor for not being in agreement on how unions work today.