Homosexuality and Same-sex marriage [Split from discussion in Politics]

[FuckYoCouch]

Being a Christian on a Modernizing world, tolerate non Hetero things, but i do not accept it. Also on the Constitutional Amendment on same sex marriage, i do not support one simply because the government doesn't have a right to decide either way. :thumbup1::thumbup::p:thumbup:

[Chapter 24]

but i do not accept it.

What about it is "unacceptable"?

[FuckYoCouch]

What about it is "unacceptable"?


Meaning, the only reason i do not sound like Westboro baptist church on the issue is simply Tolerance.

[Black Dagger]

Being a Christian on a Modernizing world, tolerate non Hetero things, but i do not accept it.

So what does that mean in practice?

You'll politely socialise with gay folks but never welcome them into the family?

Tolerance coupled with non-acceptance doesn't sound very pleasant or open-minded.

To be honest the two usually go together, but 'tolerating' (as if it was a huge burden!!!) whilst not accepting someone for who they are is... like a short hop from prejudice? Why is it so hard for you to accept gay folks?

Do you accept black folks? If so, how is that any different? People don't choose their skin colour or sexual desires.



Also on the Constitutional Amendment on same sex marriage, i do not support one simply because the government doesn't have a right to decide either way. :thumbup1::thumbup::p:thumbup:

Given your previous statements this seems a bit rich don't ya think? I mean, really? That's why you don't support same-sex marriage? It has nothing at all do with the fact that you 'don't accept' gay folks? Rrrrrrright.

[FuckYoCouch]

So what does that mean in practice?

You'll politely socialise with gay folks but never welcome them into the family?



Tolerance coupled with non-acceptance doesn't sound very pleasant or open-minded.
see my signature on that matter


To be honest the two usually go together, but 'tolerating' (as if it was a huge burden!!!) whilst not accepting someone for who they are is... like a short hop from prejudice? Why is it so hard for you to accept gay folks?some of the more Non traditional lifestyles, in my viewpoint are Hazardous to ones health.



Do you accept black folks? If so, how is that any different? People don't choose their skin colour or sexual desires. gay is a choice. Black is not.



Given your previous statements this seems a bit rich don't ya think? I mean, really? That's why you don't support same-sex marriage? It has nothing at all do with the fact that you 'don't accept' gay folks? Rrrrrrright.
Hey. ill have you know i am ma Man of Principle. if i say i have a reason for something you can bet your ass its what i said and why.



EDIT- When i was Talking about the Amendment, i Meant Either Way. for or against.

[Black Dagger]

see my signature on that matter

Sorry, but could you please explain your opinion instead?

I've now read your signature (i have sigs disabled) but as you didn't design its wording with my post in mind the relationship between its content and my question eludes me (perhaps it is the vague religious jargon, i'm not sure).


some of the more Non traditional lifestyles, in my viewpoint are Hazardous to ones health.


What defines a 'non-traditional' lifestyle?

If you're referring to homosexuality, then i would say firstly - homosexuality as the name suggests is a type of human sexuality - like heterosexuality or bisexuality - not a 'lifestyle', like living in a gated-community, or a retirement home is a 'lifestyle'. Secondly, there's nothing 'non-traditional' about homosexuality - it is as old as humanity, and common across cultures (even if the term itself is a new invention, same-sex relationships are culturally-speaking ancient).

And finally, what is unhealthy about homosexuality specifically that distinguishes it from other human sexual practices?


gay is a choice. Black is not.

Do you mind if i ask you a personal question?

I hope not, because i will ask regardless.

Did you choose to be heterosexual?

'Of course not' you say?

Why then why would you assume that homosexuality is any different?

Do you think it irrelevant that every gay person on the planet is likely to disagree with you?

Though i suppose you know better than them? :confused:

I guess also, the idea of a person 'choosing' homosexuality implies choosing to be the subject of violent bigotry - seems a little odd don't ya think?

But seriously, could you please explain your evidence for homosexuality being a 'choice' rather than a fact of nature? As scientific evidence to the contrary is not hard to come by. For example, perhaps you could explain the 'choices' of other non-human animal species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals), who simiarly choose the 'homosexual lifestyle' - are they just natural sinners (i never really like marine mammals to be honest)? I find your position indefensible.

[Black Dagger]

Since FuckYoCouch turned out to be another sockpuppet of restricted member TripH i've banned the account and split the discussion here to OI. TripH if you had intended to reply you may now do so.

[trivas7]

I support gay marriage. Having said that, a curious third option that was discussed in CA hearings on Prop 8 last week was to get the state out of the marriage business altogether and have the state recognize only civil unions for any couple, gay or straight. Politically this can't fly but IMO is an entirely reasonable proposition.

[MikeSC]

Separation of church and state, that should be the end of it. You don't need to be religious to marry, even if you did not all religions are anti-homosexual. Not all churches within Christianity are anti-homosexual. It's a nonsensical cause, on the part of the bigots.

[Bitter Ashes]

gay is a choice
Oh hell....
If this guy wasnt so banned I'd so be going on the mother of all flames right now.

[Trystan]

gay is a choice. Black is not.

Cool story Freud.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Oh hell....
If this guy wasnt so banned I'd so be going on the mother of all flames right now.

Might explain why he only tolerates gay folk LoL

It reminds me of this guy I buy bud from: Yes, I got it. You're gay. You've felt oppressed in the past. Things have gotten a lot better. I don't give a flying fuck.


Tolerance coupled with non-acceptance doesn't sound very pleasant or open-minded.

So if one tolerates muslims in one's neighborhood, one has to accept Islam or they're a bigot?

For the record I tolerate LGBT because, to be frank, I don't really care about anyone's lifestyle choice other than my own.

[PigmerikanMao]

Yes, tolerating one and accepting one for who they are usually go hand in hand. I think in this instance, just because you tolerate Muslims doesn't mean that you must accept them, but you should have a good reason for not accepting them which goes beyond the basis of their religion. They ran over your dog, peed in your flowers, or shit in the bed is all irrelevant- the point is that choosing NOT to accept someone because of sexuality (or religion) ALONE is bigotry.