DC, April 2009

[Ele'ill]

Any updates?

http://www.globaljusticeaction.org/about/ doesn't work for me. They only have a background up.

Who else is going?

Is this going to kick off the 'summer of rage'? :)

This should be added to the upcoming events section of the forum.

[Ele'ill]

Oh, I forgot. This forum is for people who don't want to risk anything for the change they so badly want. :rolleyes:

You're right. Let's leave everything to chance.

Because the only demonstrations that ever served as a precursor to radical social change are historical or happening in a place so far away (Greece) that it parallels with fantastical imagery of unicorns, dragons and memories of children's books.

The hungry are content with news of revolution as long as they have shelter and the displaced are content with struggle so long as they are fed.

Seeing the responses in threads about economic collapse "Well I have to eat" - "An economic collapse means we all lose" - etc

I received identical responses from capitalists. Literally compare those threads on this forum with ones on a capitalist or mainstream website and they are identical.

What's going on ladies and gents?

What is the explanation?

[Oneironaut]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is going on in April?

I don't know who you are talking to when you say we risk nothing for the change we believe in. That's quite a judgment to make when you don't know what the majority of us do.

An economic collapse means I lose my job, which means I stop going to school, which means I am essentially fucked. The capitalists have a lot less to lose than the working class with an economic crisis, that much is obvious.

[Ele'ill]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is going on in April?

IMF/WB demonstration


I don't know who you are talking to when you say we risk nothing for the change we believe in. That's quite a judgment to make when you don't know what the majority of us do.

I am talking to anyone that wants revolutionary change. I don't think it matters what the majority of us do.



An economic collapse means I lose my job, which means I stop going to school, which means I am essentially fucked.

A collapse could bring needed change. I don't think you'd be going to school or working consistently during a revolution. Unless you're a reformist.



The capitalists have a lot less to lose than the working class with an economic crisis, that much is obvious.

That depends on how bad the economic crisis gets. What if the power grids go out? No gas, no banks etc..

Maybe it would take everyone suffering equally for communities to rebuild as they should.

It seems like the american revolutionaries are planning a pep ralley or a bake sale. Everything has to be perfect and also I have to keep my job through this whole thing and I have to go to classes still. :rolleyes:

"Do not speak to me of revolution until you are willing to eat rats to survive"


Consider an economic crisis to be a gut-check. We'll see who's willing to endure that atmosphere.

[Oneironaut]

IMF/WB demonstration

I see.




I am talking to anyone that wants revolutionary change. I don't think it matters what the majority of us do.

I'll be honest... I don't know what you are saying here.



A collapse could bring needed change. I don't think you'd be going to school or working consistently during a revolution. Unless you're a reformist.

I don't know if the Left is in a position to take advantage of an economic collapse. Although yes you are correct, when its life or death, you'd expect we'd all choose life. I don't have the audacity to know how a revolution play out. What I do know is that I will not be some professional revolutionary leading the working class to victory.



It seems like the american revolutionaries are planning a pep ralley or a bake sale. Everything has to be perfect and also I have to keep my job through this whole thing and I have to go to classes still. :rolleyes:

Once again I do not know exactly what you are talking about. What revolution are you talking about? If I felt there was any movement that could potentially lead to a successful revolution, I assure you that I would be there. However, I see no such movement and would feel it to be rather stupid of myself to throw myself into something that has yet to exist.

[Ele'ill]

I'll be honest... I don't know what you are saying here.

"I don't know who you are talking to when you say we risk nothing for the change we believe in. That's quite a judgment to make when you don't know what the majority of us do."


I don't think it matters what any of us do for a living or where we're at in our lives.




I don't know if the Left is in a position to take advantage of an economic collapse. Although yes you are correct, when its life or death, you'd expect we'd all choose life. I don't have the audacity to know how a revolution play out. What I do know is that I will not be some professional revolutionary leading the working class to victory.

Everyone is a revolutionary. The second you decide to stop supporting corporations such as Gap, Nike, or any organization that stomps on people's rights for profit, you become revolutionary. Its not just the workers affected. Its become bigger than that. The day you decide to not flick your cigarette butts on the ground etc.

We're going to see very common people having a huge impact on things.





If I felt there was any movement that could potentially lead to a successful revolution, I assure you that I would be there. However, I see no such movement and would feel it to be rather stupid of myself to throw myself into something that has yet to exist.

There never will be a movement unless someone starts it. We'll be waiting a very long time if we're all going to be bandwagon jumpers.