Two dead at N. Ireland Army base

[Phalanx]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7930837.stm

What do you guys think? I saw on this site there was a recent deployment of SAS troops to Northern Ireland, aside from that I'm pretty ill informed.

[Dr Mindbender]

i think its time for the british army to go home.

[Andropov]

i think its time for the british army to go home.

Just about 800 years too late. :(

[Conquer or Die]

Killing invaders is not a personal mission to hurt humanity.

[Ele'ill]

Killing invaders is not a personal mission to hurt humanity.

Well said.

[Bilan]

I can't see what this is going to do for anyone in any positive way.

[Trystan]

i think its time for the british army to go home.

Right. Although I think this act (in addition to the copper's murder) has been rightly condemned as a step back, it's time for the army to get out once and for all so shit like this can be avoided. SAS deployment was a really bad idea esp. with their history of assassination.

[Dr Mindbender]

If the SAS and the broader british army redeploy in the 6 counties it will re-open a pandora's box and a living nightmare they cannot close.

The only hope is for a socialist alternative to emerge to expose the beourgioise sham.

[Dóchas]

we are jusy going backwards with every move people either side of the border or in britain make to try and stop the violence. i can only say that its going to get a lot worse before better :(

[Forward Union]

But if the British just left it'd all be fine for everyone. :thumbup1:

[Dr Mindbender]

But if the British just left it'd all be fine for everyone. :thumbup1:

says the resident squaddie.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Funny how even leftism is not immune from petty nationalism.

[Dr Mindbender]

Funny how even leftism is not immune from petty nationalism.

its not petty nationalism when it represents genuine resistance to imperialism.

The nationalism of Ireland or Palestine does not equal the nationalism of England or the United States.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

The nationalism of Palestine is not the same, no. That represents a real progressive cause. But as an Irish citizen I respectfully submit that we are not Palestine.

[Dr Mindbender]

The nationalism of Palestine is not the same, no. That represents a real progressive cause. But as an Irish citizen I respectfully submit that we are not Palestine.

Well as a free state irish citizen thank your lucky stars you've never lived under the boot of the RUC robocops and their british army goons.

The political parallels are there, an israeli official who once visited the province commented on how he empathised with the unionists because they reminded him of his own people.

[Phalanx]

Regardless, this act of violence seems pretty pointless. What is the Real IRA trying to achieve exactly? They've just become another ETA, lingering long after they've got any usefulness left.

[PRC-UTE]

Regardless, this act of violence seems pretty pointless. What is the Real IRA trying to achieve exactly? They've just become another ETA, lingering long after they've got any usefulness left.

No, the RIRA is a in a very different situation than the ETA. The ETA is atm where the IRA(P) was when it went back to war in 94 after John Major blocked progress on talks. Trying to coerce the enemy to negotiate again.

The RIRA has obviously reorganised into fairly self contained units. They're not like the ASU's of the PIRA and INLA in that they are not connected to a central leadership or command at all. it means they couldn't pull off, say a huge bombing again, but they aren't as easy to infiltrate. that's why some of their actions have come as a genuine surprise to nearly everyone.

The image the British want to portray of the occupied six counties of Ireland around the world is one of a normal society. They want to tell the world that the Troubles were an internal conflict, not an imperialist one. The RIRA attack has damaged that. It also threatens to provoke a crisis within Stormont. they also want to demonstrate that they represent a real threat, and aren't the rag tag bunch that the provos have attempted to portray.

many are calling this act 'futile'. it isn't futile. they've attacked Britain's strategy in the six counties.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Well as a free state irish citizen thank your lucky stars you've never lived under the boot of the RUC robocops and their british army goons.

The political parallels are there, an israeli official who once visited the province commented on how he empathised with the unionists because they reminded him of his own people.
I know plenty of Northeners, none of them were or are opressed and they all agree that this whole thing is rubbish.

Even a lad I know from the Falls, nationalist to the core but at least he admits it's ideological nationalism and doesn't pretend he is being beaten up and brutalized by soldiers or whatever.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

No, the RIRA is a in a very different situation than the ETA. The ETA is atm where the IRA(P) was when it went back to war in 94 after John Major blocked progress on talks. Trying to coerce the enemy to negotiate again.

The RIRA has obviously reorganised into fairly self contained units. They're not like the ASU's of the PIRA and INLA in that they are not connected to a central leadership or command at all. it means they couldn't pull off, say a huge bombing again, but they aren't as easy to infiltrate. that's why some of their actions have come as a genuine surprise to nearly everyone.

The image the British want to portray of the occupied six counties of Ireland around the world is one of a normal society. They want to tell the world that the Troubles were an internal conflict, not an imperialist one. The RIRA attack has damaged that. It also threatens to provoke a crisis within Stormont. they also want to demonstrate that they represent a real threat, and aren't the rag tag bunch that the provos have attempted to portray.

many are calling this act 'futile'. it isn't futile. they've attacked Britain's strategy in the six counties.

Have the IRSP released an official statement condoning the murders?

[Dr Mindbender]

I know plenty of Northeners, none of them were or are opressed and they all agree that this whole thing is rubbish.
'plenty of' doesnt constitute all.



Even a lad I know from the Falls, nationalist to the core but at least he admits it's ideological nationalism and doesn't pretend he is being beaten up and brutalized by soldiers or whatever.

Again, just because you knew one lad from the falls doesnt prove repression by the security forces never went on. Living as a lad in west belfast during the early to late 90's I never got shot but that doesnt prove shootings never happened.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Damn it I had two posts here, were they deleted?

As in, two more posts after US's.

[Dr Mindbender]

Damn it I had two posts here, were they deleted?

As in, two more posts after US's.


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