Why the US is mess up.

[spice756]

I'm very busy with work and do not have much time for politics and economics but shock of the stupid remarks that I read and hear all the time.


It is not that people are stupid has you can see they are intelligent with math ,science ,electronics and computers but stupid at politics and economics do to the media and government dumbing down America using sound bites and name calling doing elections and problems.

The Conservatives look at problems has short answers with out conplex challenge and liberals give money to the problem.Both Conservatives and liberal don't understand the structure of the problem or solution.Well here are some exemple of phrases.

1.The Businesses are not doing well ++++ The Conservatives reply lower taxes and liberal reply that's give them money.

2.There is poverty and homeless +++The Conservatives reply they all are lazy and liberal reply that give them money.

3 There is low wages at work ++++ The Conservatives reply that us lower taxes and the liberal reply that have labor unions.

The Conservatives reply that State run healthcare is bad and liberal reply saying this is not true.The Conservatives claim businesses are more efficient than government .The liberal reply calling them a fart .


Here is socialist definition.
1..The Businesses are not doing well.

They will not do well if people have no money to buy and people are scared they will be out of work.By giving the businesses money will not help it at all , it is the people who buy who keep them in business

2.There is poverty and homeless.
Well because that is capitalism there is poor,middle class ,upper class and rich no one sharing wealth.

3.There is low wages at work
Well because the CEO of big businesses pay people nothing and keep all the money to them self.

4. State run healthcare is bad.
The government makes it bad.

5.Conservatives claim businesses are more efficient
How so ? A monopoly is not efficient and businesses are not efficient. Only fear of competition makes them efficient that tells me they are not more efficient.Only competition drives prices down or bring out better products.

And the last one businesses control the government.The Conservatives reply businesses are trusting not the government.The liberals reply I do not want to talk about it.

The socialist definition.
Do to NAFTA and globalization the businesses have to lower workers pay ,workers benefits to stay in businesses or stop other country buying them out.The government will lower the tax on them to help them out and this means less social programs and a sloppy state run healthcare .

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I forgot terrorists what a joke over 30 years in the US and 2 terrorists attacks.And going to war with Iran or invading countries will make terrorists not lower it.

The socialist definition of war and terrorists are do to imperialism and religious intolerance. And wars and bloodbaths are over religion and socialists stress to lower the wars and conflits is separation of church and state. And religion is in the home or church.

And by science ,education and high Standard of life people wil be less religious.But the conservatives and liberal don't understand this at all.

[spice756]

Note because there is no socialist party in the US all you got is Conservatives views above and liberal views above so they do not understand any socialist views.And there no socialist party challenging them on the news or doing elections or problems.

When there is a problem or doing elections this is all you got.


1.The Businesses are not doing well ++++ The Conservatives reply lower taxes and liberal reply that's give them money.

2.There is poverty and homeless +++The Conservatives reply they all are lazy and liberal reply that give them money.

3 There is low wages at work ++++ The Conservatives reply that us lower taxes and the liberal reply that have labor unions.

The Conservatives reply that State run healthcare is bad and liberal reply saying this is not true.The Conservatives claim businesses are more efficient than government .The liberal reply calling them a fart

See how this is dumbing down America that is all you get nothing but rants and no solution.There is no left views on TV ,radio,news or doing elections or problems.All the people get are conservatives and liberal rants.

[RGacky3]

I personally would prefer to have Americans just not vote at all then to have a Socialist party, which was the trend until Obama the super hero came along and gave everyone hope :P.

But political apathy is the best way in my opinion, once people stop believing in their governments they can start taking things in their own hands.

[spice756]

Well the media painted him has a socialist and he is not a socialist just a left liberal .The heatcare reform is so poor people yes poor people can get heatcare not state run free heatcare .He is lowering taxes and will not reform NAFTA and globalization .

But he did reform stem cell and abortion that Bush who was anti- stem cell ad abortion .

A socialist party may not get voted in but can challenge them on the news or doing elections or problems.Has for the money to businesses and bailout it did not work the banks and car makers still are having problems and there is talk of state run banks now do to mess the economy is in.

[RGacky3]

In my opinion a Socialist party, while maybe doing some good reforms, will ultimately put trust back in the government, and trust that a socialised Capitalist system can work. The benefits in Social-Democracy are generally temporary and very fragile. I would much rather have a real workers movement.

[danyboy27]

cool story bro

[RGacky3]

You gonna contribute something? You have an opinion? Anything?

[danyboy27]

You gonna contribute something? You have an opinion? Anything?

well, so far there is nothing encouraging discussion in what he said , he just affirmed a lot of things, he dont ask us to conttribute or discuss on nothing at all!

so if we resume what he said in short sentences:

capitalist bad
socialism bad
liberalism bad
communism good

in what it is supposed to spark discussion and debate? people have been posting stuff like that for years without anything good coming out of it.

its not that i disagree with spice, its just plain boring to have someone just posting obvious things has affirmations for no apparent reason but to stirr up peoples.

you wanted my opinion, you have it.

[Hiero]

You forgot the extrem liberal (classical liberal) view. Alot of economicist and people who have been in big buisness for a very long time are simply saying that the government should step back and let buinsess fail, let people lose their homes and let the system take it's natural course.

The idea behind it is a natural selection idea. Capitalism goes bad when incompetent people come to the helm. Then when the system crashes the incompeten people file bankrupcy and go else where, while the younger competenten people step forward to take over the remains and build up again.

This is what happens in capitalism, but it isn't as simple as incompetency verses comptency, but it is something inherent in capitalism.

The fear that these economicst hold is that bailing people out will only prolong the disaster by extended the life of things that should die.

[MikeSC]

You forgot the extrem liberal (classical liberal) view. Alot of economicist and people who have been in big buisness for a very long time are simply saying that the government should step back and let buinsess fail, let people lose their homes and let the system take it's natural course.

The idea behind it is a natural selection idea. Capitalism goes bad when incompetent people come to the helm. Then when the system crashes the incompeten people file bankrupcy and go else where, while the younger competenten people step forward to take over the remains and build up again.

This is what happens in capitalism, but it isn't as simple as incompetency verses comptency, but it is something inherent in capitalism.

The fear that these economicst hold is that bailing people out will only prolong the disaster by extended the life of things that should die.

Most formerly free-market economists over here in Blighty that have been trotted out by the media have been calling for nationalisation. I reckon this whole "let them fail" business is just an insincere cop out by economists.

They know full well that the government isn't just gonna let the economy fail- but once all this is over they'll blame intervention for making it worse. It's a sure-fire way of coming out on top, because their scenario was never gonna be seriously considered, and it'll remain a hypothetical. These recessions/depressions we're all facing are going to be varying degrees of "bad"- any opposition to the way they've been handled will surely find an audience, no matter how stupid.

That's how I see it, anyway. They talk the talk- would they say the same thing if they actually had to face the consequences?

[IcarusAngel]

Yes. If you want capitalism you generally have to expect the government to pay for it and especially manage the system - sometimes nationalizing the banks and sometimes focusing on extreme profiteering for the rich (privatization), etc. It's a horrible system.