Why do you want to kill me?

[Regig]

Look here, I find the actions of communist countries around the world revolting. All communist countries were created by violence, not peace. My spanish teacher grew up in a communist country (Cuba), and she seems pretty certain that communism isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread. To top it off, I am what you would term a "bourgeise" or "kulak" in russia. My family are in the upper class, my dad works hard long hours at his job, and is justly rewarded. Capitalism rocks compared to Communism. Today, I donated $8 to "Pennies for Peace" a program at my school to help kids in third-world countries, like Pakistan. I am not a supporter of capitalism, rather, "nationalized capitalism", stopping jobs from going to foreign countries when they need to go to americans first.

Also, doing good things for society like reducing drug use and tobacco in our communities, (then hopefully someday, banning tobacco manufacture altogether). All communist countries are dicatorships that limit free speech, etc. Especially Stalin. He killed more people than anyone else in the whole world, and now as people are moving into the information age, living conditions are constantly improving because of science,(with a setback here and there), and you guys are deprived of a major issue. Communism has always been an enemy of western civilization, and the average joe knows it.

[commyrebel]

Look here, I find the actions of communist countries around the world revolting. All communist countries were created by violence, not peace. My spanish teacher grew up in a communist country (Cuba), and she seems pretty certain that communism isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread. To top it off, I am what you would term a "bourgeise" or "kulak" in russia. My family are in the upper class, my dad works hard long hours at his job, and is justly rewarded. Capitalism rocks compared to Communism. Today, I donated $8 to "Pennies for Peace" a program at my school to help kids in third-world countries, like Pakistan. I am not a supporter of capitalism, rather, "nationalized capitalism", stopping jobs from going to foreign countries when they need to go to americans first.

Also, doing good things for society like reducing drug use and tobacco in our communities, (then hopefully someday, banning tobacco manufacture altogether). All communist countries are dicatorships that limit free speech, etc. Especially Stalin. He killed more people than anyone else in the whole world, and now as people are moving into the information age, living conditions are constantly improving because of science,(with a setback here and there), and you guys are deprived of a major issue. Communism has always been an enemy of western civilization, and the average joe knows it. Ok you don't know what the fuck your talking about you rich basted you have never had to starve because you don't have money to buy food and thats capitalism using the working middle card poor class. in a true communist country nobody starves true communism there is no dictator and you can't judge of people how many people have the US killed the killed the indians middle easterners and they didn't get blamed for crap. NO country can be established with out violence. and get the fuck off this forum

[commyrebel]

Look here, I find the actions of communist countries around the world revolting. All communist countries were created by violence, not peace. My spanish teacher grew up in a communist country (Cuba), and she seems pretty certain that communism isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread. To top it off, I am what you would term a "bourgeise" or "kulak" in russia. My family are in the upper class, my dad works hard long hours at his job, and is justly rewarded. Capitalism rocks compared to Communism. Today, I donated $8 to "Pennies for Peace" a program at my school to help kids in third-world countries, like Pakistan. I am not a supporter of capitalism, rather, "nationalized capitalism", stopping jobs from going to foreign countries when they need to go to americans first.

Also, doing good things for society like reducing drug use and tobacco in our communities, (then hopefully someday, banning tobacco manufacture altogether). All communist countries are dicatorships that limit free speech, etc. Especially Stalin. He killed more people than anyone else in the whole world, and now as people are moving into the information age, living conditions are constantly improving because of science,(with a setback here and there), and you guys are deprived of a major issue. Communism has always been an enemy of western civilization, and the average joe knows it.oh and you don't like rites i am pro freedom which includes not outlawing a PLANT

[Brother No. 1]

Really a threat to Western Civialation...more like Western Imperalism. Stalin did kill but so did Bush and any other so called "free Leader." Limit of free speech why dont you try to talk bad about the Goverment. Your ways have been clouded by the Capitalist propagenda. your teacher fleed Cuba and came here to America. Is it better here then Cuba. most likely not. If you say Dictaorship then i say are you kidding me. Have you forgoten Czarist Russia or does that some how escape your mind. the Us used tCuba as a puppet before the Revoltuion was all of those Damned Politicons were Corrupt. China was suffering under a Impieralist Regin,Nationalist Regin, and a War. Mao-Tse Tung was actually doing something while the Nationalist leader just wanted to wipe them out. Tell me a few things that Western Imperialism has done that is in your understanding "good."

[Brother No. 1]

Heres some Adivce: Never Beleive the Western Impeiralism Crap. Waht about the US death count in Vietnam and Iraq. Learn before you talk and Stalin was a good guy and better then any of your so called "good and free Leaders." Capitalism=Death,Exploitation,Abuse,ect do you not know this. Plus to outlaw a Plant that Humanity has used for a long time really only now in the 20th and 21st century do we care in the past we didnt.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Look here, I find the actions of communist countries around the world revolting. All communist countries were created by violence, not peace.

As opposed to [blank] countries created through peace.


My spanish teacher grew up in a communist country (Cuba), and she seems pretty certain that communism isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread. And people from Haiti would say the same about capitalism.

Look, nobody here is saying that Cuba is a paradise, or even an example to be followed by all other nations. Many just feel that the attempts by the US to starve the populace their into accepting our way is just as immoral and wrong.


To top it off, I am what you would term a "bourgeise" or "kulak" in russia. Kulak, really? How big is your farm?


My family are in the upper class, my dad works hard long hours at his job, and is justly rewarded.And millions of people work just as hard, or harder, and are not justly rewarded. That is the issue at hand.


Today, I donated $8 to "Pennies for Peace" a program at my school to help kids in third-world countries, like Pakistan. I am not a supporter of capitalism, rather, "nationalized capitalism", stopping jobs from going to foreign countries when they need to go to americans first. So...

Your point is that we should stop people in third world countries from taking 'our' jobs and make sure the only way they can support themselves is by our donations?


Also, doing good things for society like reducing drug use and tobacco in our communities, (then hopefully someday, banning tobacco manufacture altogether). All communist countries are dicatorships that limit free speech, etc.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:: lol::lol::lol::lol:

So you want to ban people from using products they choose to, then you accuse other people of being dictators.

Pot, meet fascist.


Especially Stalin. He killed more people than anyone else in the whole world, and now as people are moving into the information age, living conditions are constantly improving because of science,(with a setback here and there), and you guys are deprived of a major issue. Communism has always been an enemy of western civilization, and the average joe knows it.Yes, Stalin was one bad fucker (of course, the person who's from the USSR disagreed with me but that's a whole other discussion).

Secondly, the average joe is the one who will come for you when he has had enough of starving in a world of plenty. In your insulated little world you may not notice, you may even pretend such problems do not exist or go on claiming that it's 'their fault.'

Bu if there ever comes a time when daddy is no longer paying your bills and the hunger has gotten to you, then you may begin to understand.

[Brother No. 1]

when he satrves under the Falling Capitalism he will understand. also why do you all hate Stalin? you look always on his bad side but what about alot of the good things he did or do you just want to issue him as a "villain." if he is a "Villain" then hell I'm a "Villain."

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I edited my reply but that's a whole other discussion.

I am not a fan of totalitarianism, though I will say that, yes, compared to Adolf he wasn't the worst thing ever.

I also do think it's funny the amount of deaths blamed on him, as if he started the war with Germany or that Russia never had a famine before him.

Tell me, what do you like about Stalin that is often not discussed here in the west?

[Brother No. 1]

Lets see. Stalin helped the Economy of the CCCP ten fold and made it into a superpower. He also imprisoned Real Crimanals not alot of Poltical Prisoners. the Peoples were happy at that time and had good lives. He helped the Orthdox Chruch During WW2 for a number of reasons but mainly to keep the peoples hope up and to use them as bases. He ,like maybe most of us, had a family. He had a heart like all Human beings. He stoped Hitler and stoped the Facists War machine,but like they could conquer the CCCP anyway, and he tried the help the fallen nations from the War. In the Cold War he and the CCCP were the victums. Why you may ask. Its because they were promised th Eastern bloc but after some time Trueman and the so called "allies" attacked on the CCCP,Stalin, and communism, Trueman hated Communism and did the "trueman Doctrine." to rid away the "Cancer of Communism."

[Plagueround]

These are always fun. No one wants to kill you. I'm sure doing a bit of research and reading into theory like most people that come here might have clued you in on that one, but since you decided to instead come and immediately rally against our site, let's play:


Look here, I find the actions of communist countries around the world revolting.

I've never seen a communist country, but if you're referring to Marxist-Leninist socialists states, then yeah, I'm not a big fan, even though they did do some decent things here and there. Equally, I find the actions of capitalist countries around the world revolting.


All communist countries were created by violence, not peace.Yeah. Capitalist countries on the other hand were created by angels and teddy bears singing and dancing. And those pesky native americans? Pssh...who needed them?


My spanish teacher grew up in a communist country (Cuba), and she seems pretty certain that communism isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread.My grandfather grew up on a reservation, and he seemed pretty certain that capitalism wasn't the greatest thing since fry bread.


To top it off, I am what you would term a "bourgeise" or "kulak" in russia.You're a well to do peasant farmer?


My family are in the upper class, my dad works hard long hours at his job, and is justly rewarded.Well if it's working for one family then what am I worried about? And here I was worried that all those people working hard long hours at two jobs and aren't justly rewarded were something of concern.


Capitalism rocks compared to Communism.I don't know, I heard Marx was a wicked guitar player.


Today, I donated $8 to "Pennies for Peace" a program at my school to help kids in third-world countries, like Pakistan.8 dollars? Way to get their economy kicking bud!


I am not a supporter of capitalism, rather, "nationalized capitalism", stopping jobs from going to foreign countries when they need to go to americans first.Do you also sport a funny mustache?


Also, doing good things for society like reducing drug use and tobacco in our communities, (then hopefully someday, banning tobacco manufacture altogether).Yeah, limiting people's freedoms is much more important than making sure they don't starve or have shelter.


All communist countries are dicatorships that limit free speech, etc. Especially Stalin.Is this an inherent characteristic of any and all communists, and if so, can you prove that?


He killed more people than anyone else in the whole world,Source?


and now as people are moving into the information age,Most of the world's population doesn't even own a phone...


living conditions are constantly improving because of science,(with a setback here and there),Despite capitalism and politics constantly pitting themselves against scientific progress, yes it is.


and you guys are deprived of a major issue.What issue? Did I miss a copy of "Rehashed Strawman Propaganda Weekly"?


Communism has always been an enemy of western civilization, and the average joe knows it.All the "average joes" I talk to recently are growing increasingly frustrated with their bosses and their politicians, and keep wishing there were was to get rid of them. Then again, to paint the broad and diverse spectrum of people out there as "average" and "joes" deprives them of their identity and creates an anonymous legion of dimwits for you to generalize about. And what about "average Jane"? Doesn't Jane get a say.

Enjoy your short and inevitably dismal stay here at Revleft.

[Brother No. 1]

Thank you Playground.

[swirling_vortex]

Look here, I find the actions of communist countries around the world revolting. All communist countries were created by violence, not peace. My spanish teacher grew up in a communist country (Cuba), and she seems pretty certain that communism isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread. To top it off, I am what you would term a "bourgeise" or "kulak" in russia. My family are in the upper class, my dad works hard long hours at his job, and is justly rewarded. Capitalism rocks compared to Communism. Today, I donated $8 to "Pennies for Peace" a program at my school to help kids in third-world countries, like Pakistan. I am not a supporter of capitalism, rather, "nationalized capitalism", stopping jobs from going to foreign countries when they need to go to americans first.

Also, doing good things for society like reducing drug use and tobacco in our communities, (then hopefully someday, banning tobacco manufacture altogether). All communist countries are dicatorships that limit free speech, etc. Especially Stalin. He killed more people than anyone else in the whole world, and now as people are moving into the information age, living conditions are constantly improving because of science,(with a setback here and there), and you guys are deprived of a major issue. Communism has always been an enemy of western civilization, and the average joe knows it.
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[scarletghoul]

ROFL

Most reactionary post ever!

[Brother No. 1]

what my posts werent good?:(

[Regig]

Ok you don't know what the fuck your talking about you rich basted you have never had to starve because you don't have money to buy food and thats capitalism using the working middle card poor class. in a true communist country nobody starves true communism there is no dictator and you can't judge of people how many people have the US killed the killed the indians middle easterners and they didn't get blamed for crap. NO country can be established with out violence. and get the fuck off this forum

Ok, I'll start with you retard. "in a true communist country nobody starves true communism there is no dictator " Umhum. Why were there so many food shortages in the Soviet Union? Name me a communist country where there isn't a dictator. What about those 7 million poor ukrainians your hero starved to death. By the way, I'm not rich, definitely not a rich "basted", or basterd, as you implied. True, I don't starve, cause my dad has a job, he doesn't live off welfare like a lot of you guys do. I'm sure the US has killed quite a few people, including communists:). "NO country can be established with out violence. and get the fuck off this forum" What about those colonies who eventually won back their independence? The african ones I speak of, because Europe got queasy and decided imperialism was wrong, which it was. Communism is great in theory but has never worked in practice. It ends with a dictatorship of the communist party. Explain why communist countries censor the media, and use barbed wire to keep their own citzens from escaping. I am not going to leave this forum until I am banned, which, from reading other OI topics, is very likely to happen to me soon.
:lol: PS- practice your speelling and grammar...comrade:lol:

[Plagueround]

Ok, I'll start with you retard.

Please don't call people retards on this forum.


"in a true communist country nobody starves true communism there is no dictator " Umhum. Why were there so many food shortages in the Soviet Union? Name me a communist country where there isn't a dictator.There is no such thing as a communist country. As mentioned previously, you could have learned that in about 5 minutes had you come to this site in a less hostile manner.


What about those 7 million poor ukrainians your hero starved to death.Perhaps he learned how to kill people through starvation and disease from Europeans settling in America. More than likely not, and it doesn't justify either one, but please, try and come up with something a bit better...something that actually addresses these economic and political systems on their potential merits and/or problems.


By the way, I'm not rich, definitely not a rich "basted", or basterd, as you implied.The claim that you are "upper class" would put you in at least (I believe) the top 2% in the world. 'll check my sources on that one when I get a chance.


True, I don't starve, cause my dad has a job,At least most people that come here to troll with this story use themselves as an example and not daddy.


he doesn't live off welfare like a lot of you guys do.Ah yes, of course...the old, "if you don't like the system you're a welfare leech bit". Again, a bit of research would show you the diverse careers people maintain on this site...but don't let that get in the way of assumptions! We also have people who are unemployed, which, as I understand, isn't too uncommon when companies are laying people off in the thousands everyday.


I'm sure the US has killed quite a few people, including communists:).And I suppose that makes it ok. Forgive me if I'm not quick to agree.


"NO country can be established with out violence. and get the fuck off this forum" What about those colonies who eventually won back their independence? The african ones I speak of, because Europe got queasy and decided imperialism was wrong, which it was.You'll have to be more specific.


Communism is great in theory but has never worked in practice. It ends with a dictatorship of the communist party. This is a logical fallacy. If something will never work, then the theory is no good. If the theory is good, which you admit, then it has a chance of working if applied correctly.


Explain why communist countries censor the media, and use barbed wire to keep their own citzens from escaping.Indeed, they did screw up just a tad, didn't they? Explain the capitalist countries that do the same thing and you might be on to something about authoritarianism in general.


I am not going to leave this forum until I am banned, which, from reading other OI topics, is very likely to happen to me soon.You're probably right there. We only keep OIers that are civil.



:lol: PS- practice your speelling and grammar...comrade:lol:This is an intentional forum, and because of that, not everyone here speaks or writes English as a first language. Even if they did, there are plenty of reasons why one may have poor spelling or grammar, not all of which are related to a measure of intellect (if any). However, if you are going to criticize people's spelling, you had better make sure yours is flawless.

[Regig]

These are always fun. No one wants to kill you. I'm sure doing a bit of research and reading into theory like most people that come here might have clued you in on that one, but since you decided to instead come and immediately rally against our site, let's play:



I've never seen a communist country, but if you're referring to Marxist-Leninist socialists states, then yeah, I'm not a big fan, even though they did do some decent things here and there. Equally, I find the actions of capitalist countries around the world revolting. " I'm no fan of corporatism or laisse faire capitalism either, I support capitalism with ethics, like a good minimum wage, not too long hours, retirement money, etc.

Yeah. Capitalist countries on the other hand were created by angels and teddy bears singing and dancing. And those pesky native americans? Pssh...who needed them? How does this defend communism? You guys seem obsessed with violence, always wanting to overthrow business owners, factories, put them in the hands of the owners...

My grandfather grew up on a reservation, and he seemed pretty certain that capitalism wasn't the greatest thing since fry bread. I don't like todays capitalism. Too corrupt at the moment, but no system is perfect I guess.

You're a well to do peasant farmer? I'll admit I made a mistake here. I though a kulak was just above average in income.

Well if it's working for one family then what am I worried about? And here I was worried that all those people working hard long hours at two jobs and aren't justly rewarded were something of concern.
Those illegals from South-America and Mexico, yeah, they work for cheap because they know they can't prove their citizenship.

I don't know, I heard Marx was a wicked guitar player.:laugh:

8 dollars? Way to get their economy kicking bud! Thanks, makes me feel great. Donated blood this week too. First time. I believe a penny buys a pencil or something like that in those countries.

Do you also sport a funny mustache? I shave. Do you have a Stalin mustache?

Yeah, limiting people's freedoms is much more important than making sure they don't starve or have shelter.
Food and shelter are more important of course. But after those things are taken care of, prevent them from giving themselves cancer.

Is this an inherent characteristic of any and all communists, and if so, can you prove that?

Source? Ahh, I can't post a link. Wiki Stalin. Link #69.

Most of the world's population doesn't even own a phone... Neither did I until a month ago. Didn't exactly change my life. Then again, phones don't count as food or shelter.:)

Despite capitalism and politics constantly pitting themselves against scientific progress, yes it is. Not true mostly. Capitalism and the IR went hand in hand. Though sometimes this is true, an example being that oil companies don't like fuel-efficient cars, so they make deals with the car makers to downgrade the design. That way, you need to buy more fuel.

What issue? Did I miss a copy of "Rehashed Strawman Propaganda Weekly"? I do my own study, and read pro-communist material too. The media isn't censored in my country you see, unlike communist ones.

All the "average joes" I talk to recently are growing increasingly frustrated with their bosses and their politicians, and keep wishing there were was to get rid of them. Then again, to paint the broad and diverse spectrum of people out there as "average" and "joes" deprives them of their identity and creates an anonymous legion of dimwits for you to generalize about. And what about "average Jane"? Doesn't Jane get a say. True, theres a lot of people in different classes and occupations, such as ditch-diggers and brain surgeons, who both ought to be paid according to their contributions. What about Jane? Where I live she's busy in the kitchen and taking care of the kids. Not sure what she thinks.

Enjoy your short and inevitably dismal stay here at Revleft.Oh, I will, trust me, I will:D:D:D. The Stormfronters hate me too for being capitalist too, ironic isn't it. Yet they haven't banned me.
PS- Whoops, I forgot to seperate my comments from yours. Check it out closely, they're in there.

[butterfly]

Yeah the quality of discussion there is appalling. It's just a board of trolls.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Nobody wants to kill you for belonging to the bourgeois class.

However, we do want to kill you because you created this thread and had the gall to expose us all to your willfull ignorance.

So, up against the wall with you. We don't have all day, here...we have farms to collectivize, CEO's to behead, et cetera. Regular commie stuff.

[PRC-UTE]

Why were there so many food shortages in the Soviet Union?

there were far less food shortages in the USSR than in the Tsarist regime it replaced. The USSR inherited a very poor food production system, burdened by a large peasantry, and didn't have much time to modernise it. therefore the way they did modernise their agriculture and livestock production was often very ham handed and repressive.

after the industrialisation of the SU, food scaricity wasn't really an issue until the 60s- by then the Soviets had to trade petrol for grain. this came about because the goals of economic planning were attempting to keep military parity with the capitalist countries and didn't adequately keep up with food production. to put it crudely, political goals warped the success of the command economy.



Name me a communist country where there isn't a dictator.

Cuba.



What about those 7 million poor ukrainians your hero starved to death.

industrialisation put an end to such mass starvations- which only happened again after capitalism was restored.



:lol: PS- practice your speelling and grammar...comrade:lol:

calm down. many on here don't speak English as a first language.

[Regig]

Lets see. Stalin helped the Economy of the CCCP ten fold and made it into a superpower. He also imprisoned Real Crimanals not alot of Poltical Prisoners. the Peoples were happy at that time and had good lives. He helped the Orthdox Chruch During WW2 for a number of reasons but mainly to keep the peoples hope up and to use them as bases. He ,like maybe most of us, had a family. He had a heart like all Human beings. He stoped Hitler and stoped the Facists War machine,but like they could conquer the CCCP anyway, and he tried the help the fallen nations from the War. In the Cold War he and the CCCP were the victums. Why you may ask. Its because they were promised th Eastern bloc but after some time Trueman and the so called "allies" attacked on the CCCP,Stalin, and communism, Trueman hated Communism and did the "trueman Doctrine." to rid away the "Cancer of Communism." Stalin protected the church? He killed quite a few monks & nuns. Yes, he did imprison political prisoners. Where did you get this rosy picture of Stalin? Yes he had a family, and had no qualms about letting his son Yakov die in a concentration camp. Communism the victim? What about those poor souls in the gulags? I'm going to have to agree, communism is a cancer, which is slowly dying off.

[Regig]

oh and you don't like rites i am pro freedom which includes not outlawing a PLANT

Might as well be a drug, it's bad for you. I am pro-freedom also, I have the freedom to not be a communist in this country, for instance. Yet society needs to set standards on acceptable behavior. If you don't like the rules, go somewhere else. With rights, come responsibilities.:)

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

"Father?"

"Yes son"

"I want to kill you.

Mother?"

"Yes son"

"I want to aaahuuhhuahhhaaas"

Jim Morrison

[Plagueround]

I'm no fan of corporatism or laisse faire capitalism either, I support capitalism with ethics, like a good minimum wage, not too long hours, retirement money, etc.

Well, admittedly that's a refreshing break from the Randroids. So what you're saying is we must either expect business owners to manage both public interest and profit margin and be completely at their mercy, or we must use government to constantly intervene. So far this hasn't worked, nor has it been very ethical.


How does this defend communism?

It doesn't defend communism per se, however it does demonstrate that your perceptions about what is wrong with communism also apply to many capitalist countries. The communist movement is a wide and diverse one, lumping everyone in with Stalinists isn't fair, unless you would like me to match you up with G.W. Bush and all his cronies.


You guys seem obsessed with violence, always wanting to overthrow business owners, factories, put them in the hands of the owners...

I think it's a historical recognition of how power changes hands more than an obsession. I personally favor an approach of civil disobedience first, self-defense, and perhaps even what one would call warfare as a last resort. However, let me ask you this: Where does the violence and oppression originate? Is it truly the workers who have dealt the first blow?




I don't like todays capitalism. Too corrupt at the moment, but no system is perfect I guess.

Indeed. I find capitalism to be full of fundamental contradictions that cannot be reconciled.




Those illegals from South-America and Mexico, yeah, they work for cheap because they know they can't prove their citizenship.

I was talking about most workers, legal and illegal. Do you have any idea what it's like to attempt to support a family in this country? However, why do you feel people don't have a right to work wherever they want? Borders are imaginary. The only consistent application of this principle would be for all immigrants who came here illegally or by force to leave...something which would require me to stand on one leg and for most others to leave...which demonstrates how silly the idea of borders is. This is the same type of persecution the Irish, Polish, Chinese, and Germans (amongsts others) faced...how ironic their ancestors are now doing the same thing to the next wave.


Thanks, makes me feel great. Donated blood this week too. First time. I believe a penny buys a pencil or something like that in those countries.

That's a rather condescending attitude toward charity...it definitely reveals who you were really thinking about when you did it.


I shave. Do you have a Stalin mustache?

I rock the goatee. It hides my rounding face shape as I get older.



Food and shelter are more important of course. But after those things are taken care of, prevent them from giving themselves cancer.

Which outlawing tobacco won't do. It'll just make an epedemic illegality problem on par with or worse than prohibition.


Ahh, I can't post a link. Wiki Stalin. Link #69.

I'd suggest not trusting wikipedia. I'm not a big fan of Joe, but trust me, he didn't "kill more people than anyone".


Neither did I until a month ago. Didn't exactly change my life. Then again, phones don't count as food or shelter.http://www.revleft.com/vb/../../revleft/smilies/001_smile.gif

More so an illustration of how much technology people actually have access to. The phone isn't exactly a new invention.


Not true mostly. Capitalism and the IR went hand in hand. Though sometimes this is true, an example being that oil companies don't like fuel-efficient cars, so they make deals with the car makers to downgrade the design. That way, you need to buy more fuel.

As mentioned in a previous post by one of our members, most innovation was not made by capitalists. Even today, government dollars are responsible for most of the technology we have.


I do my own study, and read pro-communist material too. The media isn't censored in my country you see, unlike communist ones.

Didn't see that whole thing about them taking away pictures of soldier's caskets, telling generals to feed information to drum up war support, and harassing and intimidating reporters who tried to expose these things, did you? Fortunately, if there is indeed one good thing about America, we've got a lot of people who are good at dissent.


True, theres a lot of people in different classes and occupations, such as ditch-diggers and brain surgeons, who both ought to be paid according to their contributions.

Without ditches water would flood the streets making hospitals inaccessible. :cool:


What about Jane? Where I live she's busy in the kitchen and taking care of the kids. Not sure what she thinks.

Where I live she's treated as an equal and we take care of the kids, cook, and clean together. We also discuss things so I know exactly what she thinks.

[Pogue]

Heres some Adivce: Never Beleive the Western Impeiralism Crap. Waht about the US death count in Vietnam and Iraq. Learn before you talk and Stalin was a good guy and better then any of your so called "good and free Leaders." Capitalism=Death,Exploitation,Abuse,ect do you not know this. Plus to outlaw a Plant that Humanity has used for a long time really only now in the 20th and 21st century do we care in the past we didnt.

No, he wasn't. Thats ridiculous. To be honest, its people like you who can't get over Stalin and the USSR who make left wing politics look pathetic.

To the OP, nice trolling but no thanks. You have nothing original to say.

[Pogue]

And also oncemore, to the OP, you misunderstand what communism is.

Your still stuck in the 'Communism is a big block of evil menances who want to force everyone to do blah blah blah".

This perception is wrong on two counts.

Firstly, you use the cold war definition of communism, i.e. as it being the big dictatorial eastern bloc trying to take over the world like some faction in RPG game. I believe that they bastardised communism.

Which leads me onto point two. Communism isn't something that can become 'corrupt' or whatever, because communism isn't an actual tangible thing. When a communist society is ahceived or is being coherently worked towards, it wont be like we'll all be paid up members of the Communist Party who're measuring on a scale somewhere how many percentage points closer to communism we are. Communism is a social order, how a society is run, what the eocnomic relations are. The transitionary period is not 'socialism' and we wont be self-aware of it being socialist, it'll just be a period when theres alot of change to a completely egalitarian society.

This is why more and more I'm becoming a bit vexed with people ranging from the Stalinoids who actually claim to want the USSR back (like Polish Soviet) who completely misunderstand the dynamics of communism and a people's revolution, through to Anarcho-Communists who think it will appeal to workers to join a group explicitly called the Anarchist Federation because theres nothing particularly appealing to people in becoming class conciousness this way - it wont happen through indoctrinating them in theory so that they become a self-described anarchist, because likelihood is even 'class conciouss' workers who know they're workers and so is that black guy over there and so is that Indian over there and they're all united against the boss will still probably not suddenly decide 'OH YEH, everything Proudhon/Lenin/Mao/Trotsky/Kropotkin/Goldman said was right, lets create it!

Any education must come through struggle and you can't attach labels to everything because it scares people off big time. You just had to create militant class conciousness with concrete aims (I.e., hey guys, if those guys strike, we should strike too, because that way we all get what we want! Yeh thats a good idea mate) and ultimaely "Guys, the bosses aren't listening and are getting violent. I say we don't need them. Lets occupy the factory and run it ourselves! Yeh thats a good idea!"

Thats better than mindelessly hoping that everyone will be convinced by Trotsky's theory on permanent revolution and will get a hammer & sickle tattoo or something.

So thats communism. Its struggle and its a way of organising society, not a force upon itself, like most rightists, ordinaries and many leftists think.

[NecroCommie]

Regig has already been told our point of view, but he had clearly chosen capitalism and chauvinism long before he entered this "discussion". So unless Regig changes his attitude, I see no point in continuing this useless thread.

[apathy maybe]

Nobody wants to kill you for belonging to the bourgeois class.

However, we do want to kill you because you created this thread and had the gall to expose us all to your willfull ignorance.

So, up against the wall with you. We don't have all day, here...we have farms to collectivize, CEO's to behead, et cetera. Regular commie stuff.

Damn, beaten to the punch.

It is very doubtful that any of us know you personally, and it is very doubtful that you personally own anything much beyond a few toys, some clothes and similar personal possessions (and, being not yet of "legal" age, your parents really own them).

As such, we had no reason to want to kill you, as you weren't exploiting anyone, etc.

But now, you come and post inane shit, it exposes your ignorance, and you did it in a defensive/aggressive manner (just 'cause I'm rich, doesn't mean I'm not OK/you folks are all evil communists who supported hitler!). You really fucked up.

My suggestion for your next move, stop posting. Start reading. Have a look the RevLeft dictionary http://www.revleft.com/vb/revolutionary-left-dictionary-t22628/index.html and this thread: http://www.revleft.com/vb/read-first-t60522/index.html (to quote the most relevant bit from the second thread)

Nearly all leftists, regardless of ideological perspective have the same aim: Stateless classless society achieved through revolution.
This society will not rely on a class approach to production or social order and will have no state or other group with a monopoly on coercive force. The two main schools of though on how to get there from here - the easiest way to make this distinction is to use the terms libertarian (as in supporters of liberty, not of the American party) and authoritarian (as weird as placing this appellation on someone advocating stateless society seems). As this is a quick and ditry guide rather than an extensive piece I shall limit my comments on them simply to these two short sentences. A libertarian communist (anarcho-syndicalist, libertarian marxist etc.) believes that the transition from this society will be in the form of a revolution. The authoritarian (Marxist Leninist, Maoist, etc.) posits that between the new society and revolution a "transitional phase" of some kind will be needed in which state authority will still be exercised - the most common form is called the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Now, that's our goal - but why do we even want that? Isn't capitalism just fantastic as it is? Assuming we aren't too enraged/amused to speak after hearing something as hopelessly naive as that then our answer would be, frankly - "not on your life mate". We view the entire system as exploitative this is (usually) because the ruling class (bourgeoisie in Marxian analysis) own all the means of production (Factories and the like) forcing the working class (proletariat in Marxian parlance) to sell their labour power.

Yeah, that's about it for now. Have fun, and remember that anarchists have the most fun.

[danyboy27]

another stupid thread allowed in the forum, and yet no mod doing nothing to stop it. this person is obviously the guy everyone was talking about in the other stupid thread.

i wish i could be an admin right now.

[F9]

Obvious troll is obvious, i cant even "understand" that some people really wasted their time for the 1000 person that came said we want to kill him with some bs "arguments" and never came back.:rolleyes:
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