Rage Against The Machine

[Michael]

WHO CONTROLS THE PAST NOW
CONTROLS THE FUTURE
WHO CONTROLS THE PRESENT NOW
CONTROLS THE PAST
WHO CONTROLS THE PAST NOW
CONTROLS THE FUTURE
WHO CONTROLS THE PRESENT NOW...
...NOW TESTIFY!!!!!!!!!

[CPK]

IT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR NOW
TESTIFY!!!

[Chief Rebel Angel]

i wonder how they will be now that Chris Cornell is the vocalist... what will De La Rocha do btw?

[CPK]

they got a new vocalist???
ahh yes zack, i don't know about him.

[Nickademus]

zack will most definately continue to be active in both the music scene and the activist scene although you can count on the fact that rage will never be the same

[CPK]

your right nickadumes.
his voice is great. lyrics too...
oh well bands can't last forever can they?

[Zippy]

Quote: from Michael on 2:32 pm on Oct. 11, 2001
WHO CONTROLS THE PAST NOW
CONTROLS THE FUTURE
WHO CONTROLS THE PRESENT NOW
CONTROLS THE PAST
Are you well read, or do you just own a few cd's ?

Zippy.

[TNapoleon]

I actually think RatM will survive without Zack. He made great lyrics, but his voice can, and will be, replaced.

Anyway, it's a loss.

[Michael]

I think Chris Cornell is really a good vocalist,after all Soundgarden was in my opinion the best Seattle's band in the 90's.It's interesting to see what he and Tom Morello are going to record..I've heard though,that they're going to change their name.
And by the way,what do you mean Zippy?

[Zippy]

Quote: from Michael on 12:13 pm on Oct. 14, 2001
what do you mean Zippy?
Who controls the past now controls the future, and who controls the present controls the past is a reference from '1984' by George Orwell. I was just investigating to see if you knew that. ;)

But of course ..... every Rage fan reads Orwell.

Peace,
Zippy

++ playing : The Cure - In Between Days ++

[ElPrez]

I think it's cool that Zack is going to get more into hiphop as a solo artist. He really is a good rapper and I'm looking forward to listen to the productions Zack did with ?uestlove (of the Roots) and El-Producto (of Co-Flow). I hope he can encourage more hiphop artist to get more active and interested in political change since there's a tremendous lack of this in nowadays hiphop community.

Zack rocks.
Rage rocks.
HipHop rocks.

[Ernestito]

I hate the fact that people think Zack wasnt that important for the band.
I think they lost a lot.
Zack is better than Cornell...

(Edited by Ernestito at 10:51 pm on Oct. 14, 2001)

[ernestodekam]

This is my first post on this awesome board. I have read mot of the material on this site and it is very sweet. Top stuff. About Rage, they are an equaly awesome band that deserves more deeper attention than they get. Each songs lyrics are like pure propaganda in a mesmerizing way and man, i am hooked!! The way they have an endless passion for justice is inspiring for me and my friends. I have learnd many important messages and my eyes (as well as my ears!) have been widened beyond the boundarys that impose on me in my capitalist ****ry! Get into it! Zack is the only vocalist for Rage and I am torn that he left but, hey, he still lives on.

[Breast Pump]

Although I didn't 'get' RATM when I was first exposed to them, I later became intrigued by their Godzilla Soundtrack. That was the beginning of my conscious existence. They opened my eyes for the very first time. I feel so silly because their lyrics are simplistic, and I'm somewhat ashamed yet grateful I needed them to make me aware of the world we live in. I've learned so much from them and I will forever admire them for helping me and many others see beyond ourselves.

Their music is amazing and their lyrics ... militant poetry :)

RATM will no longer be. I'm intrigued with the sound of both entities. I have to admit I'm more eager to hear the work of Zack the most. I'm sure it would be breathtaking.

I LOVE RATM!

[Zippy]

Politics aside, Rage Against The Machine are a one trick pony. You can swap all the songs about and all the albums would sound the same. They didnt grow, and they never expanded their sound, but to put it all in context i dont think that was their aim.

On that note, its a good job they split up. They couldnt of made a fifth album that sounded the same as all the others, and still had the same impact.

On a tangent, Tom Morello is one of my guitar idols.

Zippy.

++ playing : Manic Street Preachers - Sleepflower ++

[Lpldbloom]

I believe that RATM's dvd for THE BATTLE OF MEXICO CITY was the most important political release since John Dos Passos finished the USA trilogy. It really reveals what is going on in our hemisphere....

[Chief Rebel Angel]

Tom Morello is definetly one of the better guitar players.. what i like most in him is his "original" style.. thats really cool.. experimental... but if u ask me, he's worth nothing near ppl such as Dimebag Darell or Zakk Wylde.. now that's guitar!

[Zippy]

Quote: from Chief Rebel Angel on 3:36 pm on Oct. 29, 2001
he's worth nothing near ppl such as Dimebag Darell or Zakk Wylde.. now that's guitar!Steve Vai is commonly known as the best guitarist around at the minute (although its up to opinion) but his music doesnt sell very much at all.

Tom Morrello may not be fantastic with his axe, but he is unique and has a sound that is fantastic.
To continue on the RATM theme, the bass is the most important instrument in that band and Timmy C doesnt get half as much credit as he deserves.

Zippy.

[libereco]

I loved RATM.
I still think their first release is by far superior to the newer ones, but I enjoy them all.
Their music videos are also great. (download them)

I'm eagerly awaiting the new sound that they will have.
By "they" I mean the remaining 3 members and Chris Cornell...under whatever name they'll choose.

I didn't really like the last solo song I heard by Zack.....a little too electronic. But if he's really gonna work with Questlove (as someone here mentioned) then I see light.

[reagan lives]

First of all, Zack de la Rocha left RATM because their continued success was proving him wrong every day. If you listen to their early work, it's clear that he fully expected and intended to be shut up by someone...the man had delusions of grandeur (this is a fundamental feature of most good rappers), and he anticipated having the man put a stop to his music via censorship or a bullet or whatever.
The problem was that it didn't happen. RATM's music became successful in its own right and was not only accepted, but embraced by the mainstream audience. Every record that the band sold was proof that de la Rocha was wrong...that the US is not a fascist dictatorship, and that most people are quite willing to deal with opposing viewpoints, even if they're not convinced by them. It drove Zack de la Rocha nuts that people like...well, people like me, could buy his records, listen to what he had to say, and reply "You know what, I don't agree with you, but I believe in your right to say it anyway, and I like your music, so I'll continue to support you." If Rage's commercial and critical success had gone on much longer, he would have been forced to cop to the fact that he was just plain wrong about American society.

Before you ask, I own every single one of Rage's major-label CD's, plus the Mexico City DVD. de la Rocha was a good frontman, who you had to respect based on the strength of his conviction (or his ability to convince you of it), even if you didn't agree with him. But Tom Morello is the musical heart of that band, there's no doubt about this. The rythm section is good in its own right, but they often can't quite keep up with Morello, who (despite the fact that he bites a lot of his shit off of the Chili Peppers guitarists...Slovak especially and also Frusciante) is one of the best guitarists around now, certainly one of the most creative.

"You can swap all the songs about and all the albums would sound the same. They didnt grow, and they never expanded their sound"
I don't agree with this at all. There is a gradual and linear progression through their three albums (not counting the covers one). It's hard for me to explain here...I'd ask you to listen to the eponymous debut straight through, and then listen to Battle of Los Angeles straight through, and if you can't hear the difference, I don't know what to tell you. I guess the main way in which they grew (especially between the second and third albums) is in the coherency of the songs...most of the songs on the debut (with the exceptions of Bombtrack and Killing in the Name Of) are at least two songs mashed into one (the best example of this is probably Bullet in the Head).

Chris Cornell is a phenomenal vocalist who can basically do whatever the hell he wants to with his voice. He should make a pretty formidal musical partner for Morello.

[revolutionary spirit]

testify is a great song but rage against the machine[self titlted] is their best albumn.And will i be right in saying that those quoted lines from testify is what George Orwell wrote,''Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.''

[Breast Pump]

Politics aside, Rage Against The Machine are a one trick pony. You can swap all the songs about and all the albums would sound the same. They didnt grow, and they never expanded their sound, but to put it all in context i dont think that was their aim.


I think referring to thier work as "one trick pony" is a gross exaggeration. I don't agree with you at all. I do however think they could have evolved musically had they compromised with one another, but it's obvious the couldn't even do that. RATM sounds like RATM, but I noticed the difference in all three albums. BOLA was much more funkier and lyrically brutal. The biggest diff. is in EE, but I still love their self-titled best.

[gogo gomez]

Quote: from Zippy on 4:37 pm on Oct. 27, 2001
Politics aside, Rage Against The Machine are a one trick pony. You can swap all the songs about and all the albums would sound the same. They didnt grow, and they never expanded their sound, but to put it all in context i dont think that was their aim.

On that note, its a good job they split up. They couldnt of made a fifth album that sounded the same as all the others, and still had the same impact.

On a tangent, Tom Morello is one of my guitar idols.

Zippy.
++ playing : Manic Street Preachers - Sleepflower ++


MY OPINION IS THIS: (and it smells like roses!)
when your just about the best it's hard to expand but not impossible. i may have missed just about every rage show i attempted (caught one song, live!) but i got a good look at the audience and man...the fans blew up in just one tour, it was amazing. you would of thought for that reason alone they would of kept going...i admire them for that. Rage Rocks!

(Edited by gogo gomez at 3:56 pm on Nov. 9, 2001)

[Zippy]

Quote: from gogo gomez on 3:53 pm on Nov. 9, 2001
when your just about the best it's hard to expand but not impossible.
If your saying Rage Against The Machine are the best band ever then you are grossly mistaken.


Quote: from gogo gomez on 3:53 pm on Nov. 9, 2001
...i got a good look at the audience and man...the fans blew up in just one tour, it was amazing.
Anyone can start a mosh-pit.

Zippy.

[gogo gomez]

Quote: from Zippy on 1:59 pm on Nov. 10, 2001

Quote: from gogo gomez on 3:53 pm on Nov. 9, 2001
when your just about the best it's hard to expand but not impossible.
If your saying Rage Against The Machine are the best band ever then you are grossly mistaken.


Quote: from gogo gomez on 3:53 pm on Nov. 9, 2001
...i got a good look at the audience and man...the fans blew up in just one tour, it was amazing.
Anyone can start a mosh-pit.

Zippy.

in my big eye balls they were Zippy, and im not speaking of a mosh pit, actually there never was one that i could see only because they were too many "white" bald headed tatooed people there, heck i even ran into a dude name "satan" at one concert. i think "suicidal tendicies" has the best "moshes" outside of the private moshes. later on zippo.

[Individualview]

I couldnt imagine Chris singing like Zack so I am guessing a totally new direction for the band.

[Guest]

revolutionary spirit- yup that was george orwell who said that it in 1984

[Zippy]

i think "suicidal tendicies" has the best "moshes" outside of the private moshes.
One of Tools major influences, but i cant say i have heard anything by them. :)

Zippy.

[Nickademus]

Quote: from Zippy on 1:05 pm on Nov. 23, 2001

i think "suicidal tendicies" has the best "moshes" outside of the private moshes.
One of Tools major influences, but i cant say i have heard anything by them. :)

Zippy.

oh you poor deprived child

[Kez]

Are RATM now planning any more releases? after the departure of zack?

comrade kamo

[libereco]

Quote: from TavareeshKamo on 10:33 am on Dec. 2, 2001
Are RATM now planning any more releases? after the departure of zack?

comrade kamo

yes, but not under the name of RATM.
they have already (for a while now) recorded stuff with Chris Cornell (soundgarden singer) and were gonna release it sometime.

Zack is also not quitting...as far as i know.

[Renegade]

Well, this is my debut post in this fabulous club, let me start by addressing 'reaganlives'

I mean that's great that you're one of those unintelligent self-absorbed capitalist thrashers who buy rages music cause they 'sound cool' but to be frank, you're speaking a lot of bullshit

for starters, De La Rocha was censored

let me give the example of how the fraternal order of police tried to blockade their benefit concert for mumia abu-jamal

speaking of mumia, lets have a look at your position on america not being a facist dictatorship

he's in jail for a crime he didn't commit because he spoke out against police brutality and racism, similarly, leonard peltier is also unjustly imprisoned, both have no grounds for imprisonment, both are deemed 'political prisoners' by amnesty international, yet they are still detained

Fact: America's people didn't elect their government

the people of the united states who felt guilty about not voting tossed a coin and voted bush or gore, but to be serious there was no choice in that election whcih is the reason so many didn't choose to elect. If you have ever watched the video to 'testify' it's adequate proof of what i mean and even when given the choice between the ultra-right republicans and the right democrats, it was in the end a court hearing that decided the election.

The US also considers itself a soverign state which in itself is one of the most biggoted things i've ever heard, it has a fine history of sucking the economic life out of places like the middle east and cuba and then kicking up a huge stink when they don't get their way

they are a racist and sexist country, with equal wages still not paid to women, and black people still being mistreated especially in teh form of the death penalty, a punishment whether introduced democratically or otherwise that it has no right to have and when anyone challenges this or anything else, they are killed or imprisoned, just like MLK, Malcolm X, the move 9, mumia abu-jamal, leonard peltier.

De La Rocha had his own reasons for leaving RATM which didn't involve anything you said. Whatsmore, the US 'is' a facist dictatorship, the facts speak for themselves and will continue to speak no matter how much the privileged try to deny it

[gogo gomez]

HEY RENEGADE! MORE POWER TO YOU BRO!

and about voting in america...I KNEW IT!

all i wanted was for EVERYONE to use their right to vote . even if you didnt know who to vote for DAMNIT! EXERCISE YOUR AUTHORITY SO IT DOESNT GET WEAK!
PEOPLE DIED IN CIVIL MARCHES AND FIGHTS JUST TO GET US THAT POWER. WHAT A SHAME TO WASTE IT OR ACT LIKE IT DOESNT MATTER. WELL "IT DOESNT MATTER" NOW. SELF FULL-FILLING PROPHESY OTRA-VES, NO?

[booga]

Quote: from Renegade on 8:05 am on Dec. 3, 2001


for starters, De La Rocha was censored

let me give the example of how the fraternal order of police tried to blockade their benefit concert for mumia abu-jamal

speaking of mumia, lets have a look at your position on america not being a facist dictatorship

he's in jail for a crime he didn't commit because he spoke out against police brutality and racism, similarly, leonard peltier is also unjustly imprisoned, both have no grounds for imprisonment, both are deemed 'political prisoners' by amnesty international, yet they are still detained



so how was de la rocha censored? was it just at one place in time or were they trying to censor his "performances" as well.

because i noticed he left out some "curse" words in "killing in the name of..."

just wondering...im an idiot sometimes :(

[gogo gomez]

Quote: from Renegade on 8:05 am on Dec. 3, 2001


Fact: America's people didn't elect their government

the people of the united states who felt guilty about not voting tossed a coin and voted bush or gore, but to be serious there was no choice in that election whcih is the reason so many didn't choose to elect. If you have ever watched the video to 'testify' it's adequate proof of what i mean and even when given the choice between the ultra-right republicans and the right democrats, it was in the end a court hearing that decided the election.



sorry to hogg up the thread but compa doesnt "guerilla warefare" or some book written by or of che state that this then becomes one of the stages for the setting of a "REVOLUTION" remember that?? *brrrr* (i do )

your points are clear and hard to argue.

[Avamatha]

Can you even try to argue about it? RatM is simply the best of the best. They aren't any crap, they really have something to say!

Though, now that Zack isn't there anymore, will it be the same? I dunno, 'cuz I just love his voice and that is what makes Rage against the machine Rage against the machine. :)

[Renegade]

Yeah, well, Zack is gone, but the band supposedly lives on. I heard about that guy from Cypress Hill becoming their lead singer instead, but I recently bought the album 'renegades' and it had a bonus track of him singing...ok, no offense to him, but it isn't the same.

Now, on RATM being censored, to my knowledged, there was the Mumia benefit concert shut down by the FOP, their Democratic National Convention (well, outside the DNC) concert was shut down by police and one time they played for 7 minutes or some ridiculously short period of time then got thrown out because they put amp-covers that were decorated with upside down american flags on. So these are at least 3 examples of censorship. I don't know about the Killing in the Name lyrics, the FAQ states that the most likely reason is to save on print because the lyrics are kind of easy to understand.

I don't know if it's always easy to understand though, so if that's the case, someone hit the guy who thought up the idea.

All RATM fans should also check a band called 'propagandhi', they aren't as good in my opinion, but they are worth listening too.

Maybe if a worldwide petition was put out, we could get Zack back into RATM? Do the people hold the power with a peoples band?

[flames of the flag]

Renegade if you really followed issues talked about by zach you'd know that mumia's sentence was overturn on dec.8 so now he's free.
N e way i figure zach went to mexico and joined the zapatistas, but i saw a group playing rage stuff and the vocalist could easily replace zach

[Renegade]

Hey man, i knew that already, check the date on my post.

However he's not free, he's being 'resentenced' that implies that his conviction stays the same. But Arnold Beverly confessed and passed a lie test 3 times didn't he? But the American Justice system is fair isn't it? So I do actually follow most of the issues they talk about in their music.

They have to get a new vocalist, but if any of those cypress hill artists think tehy'd fit in, they are sorely mistaken.

[Michael]

Maybe they could work with Cypress Hill"s B.Real for a song or two.But that was just a rumour I think.Chris Cornell is behind the mic now,so I guess we have to wait and see.Morello doesn't talk about the band much..

[libereco]

B Real is alright....but he couldn't be on stage for a whole concert without coughing his lungs out i think.

[flames of the flag]

my bad, renegade

[I Bow 4 Che]

ahh Good ole' rage. my 4th favorite band hrmm I have done some thinking though

right..
ratm for example they are against the system,political and rebellious
but did you ever think who produces their records?
Sony?

do you see what im getting at...

[Renegade]

Yeah, it's called using the system to achieve your objectives.

[Tricky]

Although Rage has been incredibly instrumental in bringing attention to greed and politics (of which goes hand in hand) - Chris Cornell has also been very active in this also....he used to be the lead singer for Soundgarden, a Seattle based band that has been around for well over a decade....
Rage wont be the same but I guarantee that Cornell will bring his own unique talent to the forefront....and do the band justice at the same time....
Peace,
Tricky

[Knigel Humdrum]

I can't help to not laugh at the people with RATM shirts with a big Che on the front and you ask them about it and they have no idea who it is.

[Renegade]

mindless thrashers like reagan lives you mean?

[Tricky]

I kid you not comrade...this happens all the time....
The worst story I have to offer is arriving at a friends new girlfriends house....we were all sitting around talking and drinking, it was clearly obvious that she thought herself above all others there, making some of the people quite uncomfortable...
In the middle of an uncomforatble silence I commented on the Che poster she had in the most prominent part of the room....
The reply was "Che who??"....needless to say she got a history lesson and told to be careful of what she displays proudly, without knowing what she is showing people she stands for....
She was horrified to think that she had "a guerilla" as she termed him, on her wall and took it down immediately....
Since then she has visited our home where he sits unabashed on our wall.....Im sure looks at me just a little more differently since then....
She has also picked up a few books that I have lying around and nosed through them....maybe she might learn something - which is not a lost cause after all....

Peace,
Tricky

[El Che]

i dont like RATM, the message is ok i guess but the music just really sucks.

[I Will Deny You]

Chris Cornell's the new lead singer of RATM?

Maybe now I'll actually buy one of their albums, although I still doubt it.

[Nateddi]

RATM is a good band, I didnt get interested in them until only about a year ago. Sucks for me

[ernestodekam]

Rage Rock On For Ever. Long live Zachery