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Hyacinth
2nd March 2009, 10:30
I've just finished watching part 1 of Adam Curtis' 1992 documentary: Pandora's Box (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora%27s_Box_%28television_documentary_series%2 9) (torrent (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3605000/Pandora_s_Box_-_repacked)). It goes into some detail about Soviet economic planning and the challenges that it faced, which boil down to basically insufficient data gathering and processing capabilities, as well as lack of consumer and worker control of the plans. That being said, the part of the documentary that I found most interesting was that there were efforts in the 1960's by the likes of Victor Glushkov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Glushkov), and others, to introduce cybernetic principles into Soviet planning, which failed in part due to lack of political support for the measures by the Soviet elite. Studies into the applicability of cybernetics and computation in economics continued in the USSR, or so this is the impression that we are given in the documentary, where the filmmakers visit an institute (the name of which escapes me at the moment), affiliated with the USSR Academy of Sciences, which worked on the mathematical modeling and computability of economic plans.

Now, I think we have largely overcome the technical problems standing in the way of proper economic planning, a thesis nicely illustrated by W. Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell in their Towards a New Socialism (http://www.ecn.wfu.edu/%7Ecottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf) (a bit dated today, considering that it was published in 1993, though Cockshott has written more recent articles on the subject). But apart from the work of Cockshott and Cottrell, as well as Stafford Beer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stafford_Beer)'s work (esp. on Project Cybersyn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn)), I am not familiar with any English lanugage work on the subject of large scale economic planning. There is, I would imagine, extensive literature on small scale linear programming (which capitalism has been using since its invention in the 1960's, by Leonid Kantorovich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Kantorovich), among others), as well as other discussions of managerial planning methods for capitalist enterprises. But, what I'm wondering is whether anyone is familiar with a) a more general discussion of economic planning on a large scale alone the lines of Cockshott, Cottrell, and Beer's work, and b) whether any of the Soviet/Russian research into economic planning is available in English.

Dimentio
2nd March 2009, 10:52
I still think energy accounting is a more viable option, mostly because it makes the consumers an active part of the planning. Instead of going after estimations of what people want, we just give them an equal individual quota and then allow them to order what they need/want from it, then adapting production after it.

Paul Cockshott
2nd March 2009, 22:02
But apart from the work of Cockshott and Cottrell, as well as Stafford Beer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stafford_Beer)'s work (esp. on Project Cybersyn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn)), I am not familiar with any English lanugage work on the subject of large scale economic planning.

I have a review of Kantorovich and his relation to the economic calculation debate on my web page.

The article is called "Mises Kantorovich and Economic Calculation"

The web page is

http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/reports/index.html

But you are right that appart from the book by Ellman on optimal economic planning and Noves old translation of a collection by Kantorovich the Russian stuff is hard to lay your hands on if you dont read the language which I do not. Allin does which gives him an advantage

Hyacinth
3rd March 2009, 03:51
Studies into the applicability of cybernetics and computation in economics continued in the USSR, or so this is the impression that we are given in the documentary, where the filmmakers visit an institute (the name of which escapes me at the moment), affiliated with the USSR Academy of Sciences, which worked on the mathematical modeling and computability of economic plans.
The institute that I was referring to is the Central Economic Mathematical Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Economic_Mathematical_Institute) (http://www.cemi.rssi.ru/; there is an English version of their website, but there, alas, isn't much information posted on the English site).

Paul Cockshott
3rd March 2009, 11:52
I suspect that they will have long since stopped work on this and may now not want to remember what they once did. There is an interesting historical article by Menshikov which may be worth looking at. It is also worth looking at Mabel Fong's work with the SFE model in California as a western attempt at building the type of mathematical models needed for planning.

peaccenicked
6th March 2009, 23:45
There is this article in wired.
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant.
It misses out human agency and criminality

My stats is not that good, but it made for interesting reading. And I have yet to assimilate the latest fad DigiModernism (http://www.alanfkirby.com/).

I am afraid that it all may be a little too technical. My own idea for a plan is to computerize the phrase "From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs". To develop user friendly lists to match needs and abilities, this in turn should be correlated to what has been produced already and is available for use
and be the incentive for living labour and its organization.