Teenage Girl Brutalized by Cop- Caught on Video

[Pawn Power]

An outrageous demonstration of police violence was caught on tap in Seattle, Washington last November. On Thursday the police officer pleaded not guilty to fourth-degree assault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDg_IFHEau0&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/28/paul-schene-king-county-d_n_170786.html

Paul Schene: King County Deputy Caught On Tape Punching, Kicking 15-Year-Old Girl (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/28/paul-schene-king-county-d_n_170786.html)
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/28/paul-schene-king-county-d_n_170786.html)

[Dóchas]

that is fucked up!! the violence that they delt out was entirely out of proportion to what she did!! and shes 15 its not as if she is jeremy in a bad mood. slamming her head into the wall and then continuing to punch her is just outragous!! did the police officers in question recieve any charges of assault or something?

[Pogue]

Oh my fucking god.

[Pawn Power]

that is fucked up!! the violence that they delt out was entirely out of proportion to what she did!! and shes 15 its not as if she is jeremy in a bad mood. slamming her head into the wall and then continuing to punch her is just outragous!! did the police officers in question recieve any charges of assault or something?

Like I mention above, the cop in question is being charged with fourth-degree assault to which he pleaded not guilty. Obviously the video say otherwise.

[Dóchas]

Like I mention above, the cop in question is being charged with fourth-degree assault to which he pleaded not guilty. Obviously the video say otherwise.

oh ye sorry bout that. i dont really see how he though he could have gotten away with that but im just fucking disgusted at the moment with that. two fully grown men vs a small enough teenage girl its just wrong!! :cursing:

[LOLseph Stalin]

That's insane! That's not right, beating on a teenage girl like that! Did she attack first? No, therefore they have no right to beat on her as it wasn't even for "self-defense" purposes. Cops just simply piss me off. About a year ago they tasered a Polish immigrant to death in the Vancouver airport. They abuse their power more than anything.

[F9]

DEATH TO BOTH OF THE FUCKING BASTARDS cops!:mad::mad:
AND death to the fucker who putted the camera, because they were taping people on private times, there is a toilet there!:mad:

ACAB

Fuserg9:star:

[LOLseph Stalin]

DEATH TO BOTH OF THE FUCKING BASTARDS cops!http://www.revleft.com/vb/teenage-girl-brutalized-p1373060/revleft/smilies/angry.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/teenage-girl-brutalized-p1373060/revleft/smilies/angry.gif
AND death to the fucker who putted the camera, because they were taping people on private times, there is a toilet there!http://www.revleft.com/vb/teenage-girl-brutalized-p1373060/revleft/smilies/angry.gif

We just don't get privacy anymore. Big Brother is watching us.

[Coggeh]

FUCK ME .:mellow:

[LOLseph Stalin]

FUCK ME .http://www.revleft.com/vb/teenage-girl-brutalized-p1373066/revleft/smilies2/mellow.gif

????:confused: lolwut?

[Dóchas]

AND death to the fucker who putted the camera, because they were taping people on private times, there is a toilet there!http://www.revleft.com/vb/teenage-girl-brutalized-t102919/revleft/smilies/angry.gif



dont they have to film cells to see if they are doing self harm or trying to commit suicide?



????http://www.revleft.com/vb/teenage-girl-brutalized-t102919/revleft/smilies/confused1.gif lolwut?


its like saying "holy shit" or "what the fuck"

[magicSpoons]

Acab

[magicSpoons]

dont they have to film cells to see if they are doing self harm or trying to commit suicide?

No they don't have any right to stick their noses in other people's business, the dirty fucks.

[Dóchas]

No they don't have any right to stick their noses in other people's business, the dirty fucks.

ok ok i was just wondering, it just seems like a weird place to have a camera

[LOLseph Stalin]

ok ok i was just wondering, it just seems like a weird place to have a camera

That's because Big Brother is watching us. George Orwell was brilliant.

[JimmyJazz]

holy shit

[Blackscare]

AND death to the fucker who putted the camera, because they were taping people on private times, there is a toilet there!:mad:

ACAB

Fuserg9:star:

That camera is what is going to bring those two fucks to justice. I'm not happy about the idea of locking people up, but any time people interact with the cops, especially when they're incarcerated, there needs to be video documentation. She was inside a jail cell, not her own house, so for her sake (clearly) the camera is a good thing.

And that thing someone said about minding their business even regarding suicide attempts is just silly. People get put in there that are often high on crazy ass drugs or unstable, and putting them in a jail cell could put them over the edge. If you are going to arrest someone, then it is your responsibility to try to protect them from whatever crazy impulses might cause them to want to hurt themselves while they're in custody.

I'm against jails, but if they're going to exist there need to be cameras everywhere, for the safety of everyone being held in them.

If there weren't cameras, there would be no protection from the guards for people like this poor girl! THINK, people!


Also, who gives a fuck if there's a toilet? It's primarily a cell, it happens to have a toilet. It's not as if she was standing in a bathroom, in which case it would be less excusable. Get over it, people have to deal with a lack of privacy in jail. It's certainly worth the protection that camera provides. You normally wind up sharing a cell with people after you've been there for a while, don't you think you have to shit in front of them?

[Blackscare]

When you think about it, cameras in the jails and prisons is sort of like the law enforcement community making it's own contribution to cop watch, so I'm all for it :D

[LOLseph Stalin]

When you think about it, cameras in the jails and prisons is sort of like the law enforcement community making it's own contribution to cop watch, so I'm all for it http://www.revleft.com/vb/teenage-girl-brutalized-p1373138/revleft/smilies/biggrin.gif

I'm beginning to think that the cops need to be watched more than the actual prisoners. Sad, I know.

[JimmyJazz]

That camera is what is going to bring those two fucks to justice. I'm not happy about the idea of locking people up, but any time people interact with the cops, especially when they're incarcerated, there needs to be video documentation. She was inside a jail cell, not her own house, so for her sake (clearly) the camera is a good thing.

And that thing someone said about minding their business even regarding suicide attempts is just silly. People get put in there that are often high on crazy ass drugs or unstable, and putting them in a jail cell could put them over the edge. If you are going to arrest someone, then it is your responsibility to try to protect them from whatever crazy impulses might cause them to want to hurt themselves while they're in custody.

I'm against jails, but if they're going to exist there need to be cameras everywhere, for the safety of everyone being held in them.

If there weren't cameras, there would be no protection from the guards for people like this poor girl! THINK, people!


Also, who gives a fuck if there's a toilet? It's primarily a cell, it happens to have a toilet. It's not as if she was standing in a bathroom, in which case it would be less excusable. Get over it, people have to deal with a lack of privacy in jail. It's certainly worth the protection that camera provides. You normally wind up sharing a cell with people after you've been there for a while, don't you think you have to shit in front of them?

Agreed: where there are cops, there should be cameras.

Although cameras just catch abuses after the fact, and earn the cops a little slap on the wrist. The only real solution is for a community commission to elect/appoint/hire all cops. As it is cops are hired by other cops. Why is anyone surprised when each successive generation of cops is as fucked up as the last one? There's a direct line of descent from the guys in the op video to these guys:

http://www.crmvet.org/crmpics/cops3.jpg

http://www.crmvet.org/crmpics/lyon/atlanta2.jpg

Right now it's more like a monarchy/extreme bureaucracy than a democracy: the current guy appoints his successor.

[F9]

That camera is what is going to bring those two fucks to justice. I'm not happy about the idea of locking people up, but any time people interact with the cops, especially when they're incarcerated, there needs to be video documentation. She was inside a jail cell, not her own house, so for her sake (clearly) the camera is a good thing.

The camera did one thing "good" in that particular case, and 100 other cases "bad".You dont get to decide what its for someone sake, so stfu!Monitoring someone on private times IS NOT a good thing, and saying such, it means that you are a fucking idiot!



And that thing someone said about minding their business even regarding suicide attempts is just silly. People get put in there that are often high on crazy ass drugs or unstable, and putting them in a jail cell could put them over the edge. If you are going to arrest someone, then it is your responsibility to try to protect them from whatever crazy impulses might cause them to want to hurt themselves while they're in custody.
I'm against jails, but if they're going to exist there need to be cameras everywhere, for the safety of everyone being held in them.


Thats a huge stupidity... Then we should monitor every street, every bridge, everything, just for the "good" of "unstable" people, doing drugs, or get drunk!:rolleyes:What fucking thing from a persons privacy you cannot understand...?Supporting a shit to correct another shit, means you are shit yourself!


If there weren't cameras, there would be no protection from the guards for people like this poor girl! THINK, people!

You should think, and get of your fucking high horse!There is no protection at any case.What you think this will lead?The cops will say they "defended" themselves against the shoe, and they will get away with a move to a nearby station..Old known story..Having a "poor girl" monitored though, yes it can make huge psychological problems to her, or everyone else anw, she dont wants to have some fucking cops watching her change clothes, go to toilet!:mad:

Also, who gives a fuck if there's a toilet? It's primarily a cell, it happens to have a toilet. It's not as if she was standing in a bathroom, in which case it would be less excusable. Get over it, people have to deal with a lack of privacy in jail. It's certainly worth the protection that camera provides. You normally wind up sharing a cell with people after you've been there for a while, don't you think you have to shit in front of them?

You idiot may not give a fuck, but there are others that do, so for once again STFU, you are not the "judge" to say what others people say!Jails should be abolished, as video taping!We dont argue only for the "wrong" of taping, but the wrong of the whole system!And it isnt the same having some people around when you know that they can see you, instead of some fuckers behind a desk watching close to you when you have no idea! And what fucking protection?Nothing happens to cops as usual, those are only bed-time stories for naives, that think actually cops are punished for something..
Ohh and if i forgotted to say it before, you are a fucking idiot!:mad:

Verbally warning Fuserg9(me) for flaming, if someone thinks there should be further administrative action contact an admin...:rolleyes:

Fuserg9:star:

[Pogue]

The police are a very tight knit protective group. They'll stand up for each other and do what they can not to let any of their number get attacked or sent down, often because if one went down, alot would go down with them. They're the enforcer sof the state, and are judged by the state, so they get away with the shit they do.

[Pawn Power]

oh ye sorry bout that. i dont really see how he though he could have gotten away with that but im just fucking disgusted at the moment with that. two fully grown men vs a small enough teenage girl its just wrong!! :cursing:

Well he hasn't been tried yet, so he didn't 'get away' with it. He just pleaded 'not guilty. The evidence is blatantly against him.

[Blackscare]

The camera did one thing "good" in that particular case, and 100 other cases "bad".You dont get to decide what its for someone sake, so stfu!Monitoring someone on private times IS NOT a good thing, and saying such, it means that you are a fucking idiot!
Like I've said, I'm against jailing people. But if they are going to do it, the COPS need to be monitored. The only way to do this is complete round the clock taping of the entire jail, or else the cops would know when and where they could brutalize people with no fear of penalty. What the fuck is "private times" anyway? She's in a jail cell! She's not in her fucking living room!



Thats a huge stupidity... Then we should monitor every street, every bridge, everything, just for the "good" of "unstable" people, doing drugs, or get drunk!:rolleyes:What fucking thing from a persons privacy you cannot understand...?Supporting a shit to correct another shit, means you are shit yourself!No, fuckface, but when the police take someone into custody it often involves people who are unwell or freaking out because they have been arrested, and are possibly not in their right minds. If the government is going to fuck with people then they are accountable for the psychological damage they might cause and therefore have to insure that no one hurts themselves. To somehow make the leap from that to "monitoring every street corner blahfuckingblah" takes the work of a true fucking idiot. Also, what about rape and harrasment from other inmates? I suppose your precious little ideals are more important than people's safety. I'm as against jails as you are, but if they are going to exist I'm not going to make them even more dangerous by following some stupid, simplistic ethical code that could get people killed (at a higher rate than this already happens).



You should think, and get of your fucking high horse!There is no protection at any case.What you think this will lead?The cops will say they "defended" themselves against the shoe, and they will get away with a move to a nearby station..Old known story..Having a "poor girl" monitored though, yes it can make huge psychological problems to her, or everyone else anw, she dont wants to have some fucking cops watching her change clothes, go to toilet!:mad:Sure it won't solve this case, but think (if you can do that) what those asshole guards would do on a daily basis to defensless prisoners if there was absolutely no oversight. We see what they're willing to do even with cameras, imagine what it would be like without them! It would be a pig heaven! Their own little realm to do with people what they like, with no public oversight or evidence to beused against them in court.



You idiot may not give a fuck, but there are others that do, so for once again STFU, you are not the "judge" to say what others people say!Jails should be abolished, as video taping!We dont argue only for the "wrong" of taping, but the wrong of the whole system!And it isnt the same having some people around when you know that they can see you, instead of some fuckers behind a desk watching close to you when you have no idea! And what fucking protection?Nothing happens to cops as usual, those are only bed-time stories for naives, that think actually cops are punished for something..Yes, I'm against abolishing jails (like I said in my earlier post, I guess you were too busy foaming at the keyboard to read that before you started pointlessly ranting).


Why don't you ask that girl if she is happy there was a camera there or not? Like I said before, all your nice little ideals sound great but in the real world where jails and shitty cops actually exist, but THEY are naive and will get people killed, raped, and brutalized at an enormous rate. But that doesn't matter, because you'll get to feel revolutionary about it :rolleyes:

Live in the real world, you fucking moron. THERE ARE JAILS, we're not talking about a world without jails, which I agree would be best. They exist, and while they exist there needs to be some kind of public oversight. Right now all that that consists of is video tape, and you want to take that away. It's great to feel all holier than thou and rant about big brother, but in the end you are only fucking over the people you claim to sympathize with.

[Blackscare]

Also, ask anybody who's actually been to jail what their biggest complaints would be, and I bet shitty guards and other inmates rank MUCH higher than cameras. In fact, I know/have met plenty of people who've been to jail and that isn't a complaint I've ever heard. I think this sort of thing is reserved for whiney "revolutionary" types who have the nerve to complain about one of the only things that actually protects people from abuse in jails. You are totally unrealistic. You either have no jails, or jails with cameras. Meeting halfway will only cause a shot load of suffering, which you don't seem to care about. "Psychological problems", psh. Sorry I don't believe everyone is a delicate little flower like you seem to believe, and in any case it is the lesser of two evils.

[F9]

You are just keep saying, ooh its for da goodz of da people, and it protects them, so is support them, and i am the "arsehole" that i dont really sympathize with the particular or everyone that is supressed in jails, because i am against having them taped when they are having a bath, go to toilet etc.Yeah i am not sympathizer to those people, i in reality sympathize with the cops....And yeah my ideals say that nothing is be done against a person will and for that i feel so revolutionary, i think i will just get to hail my stalin photo now....:rolleyes: i am not asking for your "ideals" because they are shitty anw, its obvious!
You have some great arguments there, but you havent managed to argued against that you are an idiot....................

Fuserg9:star:

[F9]

Also, ask anybody who's actually been to jail what their biggest complaints would be, and I bet shitty guards and other inmates rank MUCH higher than cameras. In fact, I know/have met plenty of people who've been to jail and that isn't a complaint I've ever heard. I think this sort of thing is reserved for whiney "revolutionary" types who have the nerve to complain about one of the only things that actually protects people from abuse in jails. You are totally unrealistic. You either have no jails, or jails with cameras. Meeting halfway will only cause a shot load of suffering, which you don't seem to care about. "Psychological problems", psh. Sorry I don't believe everyone is a delicate little flower like you seem to believe, and in any case it is the lesser of two evils.

Yeah, you only know da hard quyz who dont give a fuck if they are monitored, and they are all really macho and we can break the whole jail down if we want......There are people who actually get offended of being monitored, if you are not, thats your problem, but stop fucking arguing like you know how everyone feels...
Only you care about whats going in jails, the other of us we are just some kiddies weekend "whinning" revolutionaries, we are not like you the great revolutionary, the great judge, the genuine psychologist!
Hail Blackcare....you are the great revolutionarie!!!
The people who choice of the lesser of two evils, and dont just fuck them both, they still call themselves revolutionaries?Ohhh i forgot they called platformists:rolleyes:

[Blackscare]

Well I think your admission that I *have some "great arguments" stands alone, I don't need to argue that "I'm not an idiot" with some unrealistic buffoon.

What YOU haven't made clear is what you expect to happen in jails when there is no recording going on. Magically it's going to be peachy, right? And you can't record sometimes and not other times in that setting, people are kept with their toilets, either you record them all the time or not at all. You have no realistic vision of what you expect to happen in the prison system under your hair brained ideas.

[Pawn Power]

In response to the question of the cameras;

First off, yeah prisons shouldn't't exists and we should be resisting increased surveillance. However, we should increase our own surveillance of cops, politicians, and CEOs. Their actions need to be more transparent.

The problem with the cameras in the prisons in that they are not under the communities or the friends and families of the imates control. If they were, and an inmate attested to mistreatment, the community or his lawer could then review the tapes as evidence.

In this case, I am not compltly sure how the tap was obtained. I know the lawer of the cop didn't want it released because he thought that it would inflame the public-- and rightly so-- which would cause an unfair trail.

We need what goes on in prisions transparten to the publi-- along with other institutions of power. Cameras are problably not the best way to do this, but if they are need to monitor the actions of police and prison guards in the confines of the prision they should be under the complete control of the public, related families and friends, etc. Obviously this is not likly to happen beause the so called US justic system has nothing to do with actual justi.

[Blackscare]

Yeah, you only know da hard quyz who dont give a fuck if they are monitored, and they are all really macho and we can break the whole jail down if we want......There are people who actually get offended of being monitored, if you are not, thats your problem, but stop fucking arguing like you know how everyone feels...
Only you care about whats going in jails, the other of us we are just some kiddies weekend "whinning" revolutionaries, we are not like you the great revolutionary, the great judge, the genuine psychologist!
Hail Blackcare....you are the great revolutionarie!!!
The people who choice of the lesser of two evils, and dont just fuck them both, they still call themselves revolutionaries?Ohhh i forgot they called platformists:rolleyes:


Actually, they aren't macho "hard guyz", they are just people more concerned about brutality and the day to day dangers of the prison system than a few cameras.

My dad was in jail a bit when he was younger and I just asked him what he thought. He told me that where he was at, all the toilets were lined up directly below the observation "pod" used by the CO's. It was like that so no one would get shanked while taking a shit. It was in plain view of anybody, but the officers didn't stare at them. They go there to work every day, they don't want to stare at a bunch of prisoners taking shits. They averted their eyes, but it still had the effect of discouraging violence. It's only to prevent people from getting attacked. Oh, and female prisoners have their own areas that are monitored by women, who presumably are about as inclined to watch them as the male CO's are to watch the guys in the toilet line.


You keep ranting about opposing the prison system in all forms, but you don't understand that you can't "gradually" break down the parts of the system you don't like. It's all or nothing. What you're advocating is the jail-equivalent of reformism. Taking away the cameras but keeping the jails, like you are apparently talking about, will put many people in danger. Jails aren't going away any time soon, so let's at least be realistic about them.

[Blackscare]

The people who choice of the lesser of two evils, and dont just fuck them both, they still call themselves revolutionaries?Ohhh i forgot they called platformists:rolleyes:

What the fuck are you even talking about? You are the one who wants to abolish cameras in the present system. You're not talking about actually doing away with them. And if you are, that means nothing because the day that that will happen is far away.

We are discussing what can be done within the present system to make it more humane, stop acting like I'm somehow supporting the prison system. Your desire to get rid of cameras won't get rid of the prison system, it will only make it worse! Half steps and reforms will only fuck things up even more!

[F9]

You keep ranting about opposing the prison system in all forms, but you don't understand that you can't "gradually" break down the parts of the system you don't like. It's all or nothing. What you're advocating is the jail-equivalent of reformism. Taking away the cameras but keeping the jails, like you are apparently talking about, will put many people in danger. Jails aren't going away any time soon, so let's at least be realistic about them.

WTF?You actually got the "idea" that i talk about "Taking away the cameras but keeping the jails"?Where have you seen anything like this.I am just saying, that monitoring someone without his permission is equally "bad" - unjustifiable as jails.I do not wish neither, i do not support neither..

Fuserg9:star:

[Comrade B]

Son of a *****, that is fucked up.
Cops need to be fully reviewed, too many sick fuckers in their ranks with anger problems just trying to make people's lives hell.
When I got arrested this summer I was in a group of 7 people, the police come and immediately begin searching and arresting the one Hispanic guy in the group. They find out he has a stutter when he is nervous, so they fuck with him for a while, asking him questions really rapidly and interrupting him. They then gave him 3 breathalyzer tests before he matched the line for where it would have been illegal for him to be driving (Though we were walking when we were arrested). They hand cuff him and push him into the car, leaving us isolated there. Then the three of us who were returning to the same place are loaded up into a car and dumped in the middle of an industrial neighborhood, where the only people around are some people closing in a restaurant (where the manager prevented the workers from helping us), a homeless guy who told us where the nearest bus stop was, a bus driver who was off duty, and eventually a taxi driver who hated the cops enough that he gave us a 40$ taxi ride for $10. The police also stole some unrecorded bottle vodka and possibly a little bit of weed (though it is possible they did not see the bag)

My brother was busted a few years ago and they took his belt and jacket, leaving him with a tee-shirt in a freezing fucking cold cell and pants he had to hold up. He requested his meds and the cops ignored him. At the time he was living at home and the police contacted the home at 2 am. When we called the station they lied and claimed he was passed out. The truth was that he had woken up 2 hours earlier.

[Blackscare]

WTF?You actually got the "idea" that i talk about "Taking away the cameras but keeping the jails"?Where have you seen anything like this.I am just saying, that monitoring someone without his permission is equally "bad" - unjustifiable as jails.I do not wish neither, i do not support neither..

Fuserg9:star:

Yes but you are arguing against the use of cameras within the present system. What good does it do anyone if you're against the whole system? You're arguing against cameras, so you have to actually take into account what the system would be like without them. We aren't going to have a revolution overnight, so actually consider what you're talking about or else you're just flapping your gums for no reason. I know you are against monitoring and jails, as am I, but if there are going to BE jails, what would you rather have? Cameras or no cameras? For my money, considering all the dangers involved with jails from inmates and CO's, I'll take the cameras, thank you.


So let me rephrase my question, if the prison system isn't going anyway (and it clearly is not), would you rather have cameras or not? You argue against cameras so you are de facto in favor of prisons without them, until you give me an argument that makes more sense. So far I'll I've seen from you is incoherent rambling.


We can't all live in an idealistic dream land, you've got to actually address the ugly reality that jails exist and consider how they can be best run to protect inmates.

I honestly don't know what the fuck you are even arguing.

[Rjevan]

Holy shit, these two videos are real shocking! :scared:
Ok, the girl in the cell obviously kicked her shoe after one of the police man, but nevertheless I think he "slightly" overreacted.
I know the police isn't know for their kindly manners but this is really bad.

[Module]

What does this have to do with social discrimination?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Cops who abuse their power are such fucking scumbags. The fact that he punched her multiple times while she was restrained means he's probably going to be looking at some jail time (although one can never be sure when talking about the cops...that 15-year old might have been strapped :rolleyes:).

This girl is getting a big payday, though, that's for sure.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Cops who abuse their power are such fucking scumbags. The fact that he punched her multiple times while she was restrained means he's probably going to be looking at some jail time (although one can never be sure when talking about the cops...that 15-year old might have been strapped http://www.revleft.com/vb/teenage-girl-brutalized-p1373180/revleft/smilies/001_rolleyes.gif).

This girl is getting a big payday, though, that's for sure

At least they didn't Taser her to death.

[Reuben]

Agreed: where there are cops, there should be cameras.

Although cameras just catch abuses after the fact, and earn the cops a little slap on the wrist.

This really is the crucial point. Sometimes we get too carried with the idea of exposing the system - useful but not sufficient. The real question is power.

[Dóchas]

Well he hasn't been tried yet, so he didn't 'get away' with it. He just pleaded 'not guilty. The evidence is blatantly against him.

it will be interesting to see what his sentance is and if he gets off lightly

in relation to the camera discussion going on its a hard one because we have to respect people privacy whilst making sure they are safe. 9 out of 10 times the person incarcerated will be loud and abusive for a while and then calm down but we cant forget about the people who could do themselves harm or police to harm to them. there was a case a while ago where a 14 year old boy died in a jail cell over night and he was found the next morning with bruising on his body. there wasnt a camera in or near the cell so the officer in question got off with nothing.

so i can see where some people are coming from with the "respecting the privacy" of people but the fact of the matter is that people die in prison cells due to police brutality and its only because of the camera present in some of those cases that the people in question didnt die in vain and the officer was charged.

im personally not sure about this issue because there are valid points for each side.