Mexico to send up to 5,000 more troops Ciudad Juarez.

[SocialRealist]

Source:La Times. [http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-juarez-troops27-2009feb27,0,2667623.story] (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-juarez-troops27-2009feb27,0,2667623.story%5D).
Summary:The increase would triple the law enforcement presence in the border city, which has been racked by drug violence. Its police chief quit recently and its mayor has received threats.

[KurtFF8]

The Mexican worker organizations need to show that they can provide a viable alternative to the current structure of oppression and a state that promotes this type of violence.

Only through reforming drug laws and erasing the need to have underground drug rings will successfully combat this, not the military. The Mexican government is just hurting itself with actions like this and is likely going to turn its people against itself, and if the working class can answer with a true resistance, then a revolutionary Mexico will be possible. Unfortunately I don't see that trend taking place as of right now in the North.

[Charles Xavier]

How can you erase the need to have drug rings under capitalism? Its highly profitable.

[black magick hustla]

btw mexico is on an ongoing civil war. they dont call it like that but its on the same magnitude and the drug cartels are as legitimate as the state in my eyes anyway

[black magick hustla]

i like it when dumb leftist hippies boycott sweatshops but still do a shitton of drugs because drug bosses are more brutal than any other faction of the mexican bourgeosie

[black magick hustla]

btw some months ago there was a shootout in front of my house i could listen to the machine guns. viva northern mexico

[cyu]

When you have to put bread and tomato soup on the table, you do what you have to do, whether it's scrubbing toilets, kissing ass, giving blow jobs, or working for The Man producing "happy pills" in a jungle factory.

[Charles Xavier]

btw mexico is on an ongoing civil war. they dont call it like that but its on the same magnitude and the drug cartels are as legitimate as the state in my eyes anyway

No Mexico doesn't have an ongoing civil war.

[Oneironaut]

On the contrary, the situation is akin to a civil war.

[black magick hustla]

No Mexico doesn't have an ongoing civil war.

The magnitude of the death tolls are about the same as Colombia, where there is an ongoing civil war. :glare: Anyway I live there so shut that dumb hole of yours.

[Charles Xavier]

The magnitude of the death tolls are about the same as Colombia, where there is an ongoing civil war. :glare: Anyway I live there so shut that dumb hole of yours.


Oe pavo. I don't care if you are from the jungles of the Yucatan.. you are wrong.

Your basis for if theres a civil war is that the death toll is as high as Colombia... US has a civil war right now then. So does Brazil and India

17,000 Americans were murdered last year... that must mean theres a civil war.

And lets not forget the Drunk Driving Civil war being waged.

Or the wrongfully medicated war

What about the Heart attack insurrection?

Or the civil Cancer war

[black magick hustla]

So tell me, what is your standard for civil war? Cartels that have 15 thousand strong armies, with commanders that were dropouts from elite latin american death squads, who have their own "mini narcostates" inside the country, who have direct shootouts with the army and the police and who hold some of the best weaponry in the area are not legit enough in your eyes. :confused:?

[black magick hustla]

actually there is an ongoing civil war in india. ever heard of the naxalites?

[MarxSchmarx]

Only through reforming drug laws and erasing the need to have underground drug rings will successfully combat this, not the military.

It is indeed very tragic.

It's really about the North American, not Mexican, drug market. The problem is really one of geography. The drug cartels are essentially middle men, funneling southern drugs up north. As long as there is an insatiable demand up north, and a ready supply from further south, there is little domestic reforms in Mexico could accomplish.

Most regular Mexicans have no realistic way to stop either the drug cartels or virtual martial law in their towns. It is really quite depressing what is going on.

[Os Cangaceiros]

So tell me, what is your standard for civil war? Cartels that have 15 thousand strong armies, with commanders that were dropouts from elite latin american death squads, who have their own "mini narcostates" inside the country, who have direct shootouts with the army and the police and who hold some of the best weaponry in the area are not legit enough in your eyes. :confused:?

From what I've read the drug cartels are fairly well organized and well armed...the whole paramilitary wing (The Zetas?) especially.

But yeah, it certainly looks like there's a good deal of unrest there. I remember reading a U.S. intelligence report a couple of months back comparing the instability in Mexico to the instability in Pakistan, and there was an article on CNN just a week ago regarding Mexico being on the brink of civil war.

[Charles Xavier]

So tell me, what is your standard for civil war? Cartels that have 15 thousand strong armies, with commanders that were dropouts from elite latin american death squads, who have their own "mini narcostates" inside the country, who have direct shootouts with the army and the police and who hold some of the best weaponry in the area are not legit enough in your eyes. :confused:?


There is street gangs with 30 thousand irregular members in US.

Its not a civil war, its a capitalist enterprise.

Walmart has millions of employees across the globe.

[John Lenin]

... Might be a good time for the Zapatistas to step up their efforts.

against a weakend central state.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

... Might be a good time for the Zapatistas to step up their efforts.


http://www.milebymile.com/kmimages/mexico_map_500.gif

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Note where chiapas is.

[John Lenin]

Note where chiapas is.
I know that, and have been to Mexico many times.

My point was that the Zapatistas should use such strife/civil war to increase efforts. A weaker central Mexican state, is good for the Zapatistas.

[Charles Xavier]

I know that, and have been to Mexico many times.

My point was that the Zapatistas should use such strife/civil war to increase efforts. A weaker central Mexican state, is good for the Zapatistas.


Why?

[Josef Balin]

i like it when dumb leftist hippies boycott sweatshops but still do a shitton of drugs because drug bosses are more brutal than any other faction of the mexican bourgeosie
VERY little of the marijuana supply and practically none of the psychedelic supply comes from Mexico in the U.S. and Canada, and the weed that does come from Mexico is notoriously bad except for a few strains so no one with connections (i.e. no one who does other drugs, a group "hippies" do bit fit in to) buys MexiWeed.

[Os Cangaceiros]

VERY little of the marijuana supply and practically none of the psychedelic supply comes from Mexico in the U.S. and Canada, and the weed that does come from Mexico is notoriously bad except for a few strains so no one with connections (i.e. no one who does other drugs, a group "hippies" do bit fit in to) buys MexiWeed.

Are you sure about that? I've always heard that about half of all marijuana in the United States comes from Mexico. I do know that Mexico accounts for the majority of the metamphetamine supply in the U.S.

Don't know about other drugs...someone told me once that most of the heroin and Ecstasy in the U.S. gets routed through Europe, but I don't know if that's true or not.

[black magick hustla]

There is street gangs with 30 thousand irregular members in US.

Its not a civil war, its a capitalist enterprise.

Walmart has millions of employees across the globe.

lol. now this is just silly. do the cribs have total control over the government of cities/states, manage to kill a good amount of high ranking members of the state and the military, and have professional military trainng and have access to helicopters and antitank weaponry.:rolleyes: Again, i am asking, what is your standard for civil war? Are you trying to downplay the really chaotic situation Mexico is in right now?

american streetgangs are nothing compared to latin american cartels

[Charles Xavier]

lol. now this is just silly. do the cribs have total control over the government of cities/states, manage to kill a good amount of high ranking members of the state and the military, and have professional military trainng and have access to helicopters and antitank weaponry.:rolleyes: Again, i am asking, what is your standard for civil war? Are you trying to downplay the really chaotic situation Mexico is in right now?

american streetgangs are nothing compared to latin american cartels

No but black water does now I think its called Xe.

The drug trade like many other businesses is out to make a profit, not transform society.
The only difference is its an illegal business they have to have tight security from the police and people trying to rip them off.

Its called capitalism.

This isn't some left faction of the bourgeioisie trying to wage war in order to rule over society. Its a group of bourgeioisie interested in making money with a lot of employees. Its dangerous because its illegal. If Cocaine were legal these guys would be just as much a class enemy they are now.

[black magick hustla]

not all civil wars are there "to change society". Most civil wars are driven by profit, as any other war today. Certainly, the bunch of armies that are embroiled in war in Africa are not there to change society.

[BIG BROTHER]

The Drug cartels are so powerful, because in reality the drug business are the only ones that still grow.

What we see in Mexico is not a real effort to combat the Drug dealers, is more of a stunt in a way. Why? Because if starting with the U.S. that supposedly is against Drug dealers too, legalized drugs (well at least weed) and treated it as a health issue the Drug dealers wouldn't be as powerful, and they would just become regular bourgeoisie's and farmers.

Also the Mexican government in reality doesn't touch all the bank accounts of the drug dealers, because all the money that they make goes into speculation and investment, were other legal business are also involved in.