Armed struggle in the United States

[sunfarstar]

Why should not the guerrilla organizations in the United States to carry out armed struggle? The number of U.S. many ah? Me in Shanghai, China, my job in the media "voice of the environmental protection" magazine. I am willing to come to the United States launched the revolution!

[sunfarstar]

1. Leaders of the armed struggle and join the guerrillas themselves are the
2. Do not recognize the need for the leadership of the party
3. Consider "political party is the military"
4. "Guerrillas are the vanguard of the vanguard"
5. Single country it is very difficult to win the revolution or can not win
6. Revolution, without exception, should be the form of armed struggle
7. Revolution in Latin America should be carried out simultaneously throughout the continent

[Sam_b]

Isolated armed struggle is not inherently revolutionary in the slightest.

[sunfarstar]

Then women should do some job to launch the masses? I know that in the United States citizens who may lawfully own guns, we can organize the SDF it? In a lot of state organizations, then the formation of the guerrillas in secret?

[SocialRealist]

What is needed is a legal struggle. If we focus only on militant actions we will end up with the type of society that is focused only around militarism. Instead if we take the battle to the courts with mass amounts of support we can fight them in a much more symbolic manner by using their own justice systems against them.

Instead at the moment we need to focus on struggles with education, health care and the economic crisis. Most of this is simply a legal battle against the ultra-rich and those who exploit others. I ask you? Why must we resort to violence when we can hang them with their own rope? Violence should be a last resort in all cases.

[Kassad]

Armed struggle is often an attempt to rally class consciousness without that consciousness having already been formed. Even advocates of guerilla warfare, such as Mao Tsetung realized that if the masses refused to rally behind a revolutionary movement, it would bring no success. Guerilla warfare can often lead to forced class consciousness at the barrel of a gun, which is totally reactionary.

During the Cuban Revolution, the 26th of July Movement was able to rally an immense amount of peasants and workers to their cause. Their guerilla tactics led to the extraditing of Fulgencio Batista's regime and all of its reactionary and fascist puppets. The Chinese Revolution in 1949 was able to rally massive support of the peasantry which made it possible to form a massive armed movement to combat the fascist reactionaries in control of China. Regardless, does that always mean that an armed struggle is the solution?

You can't force class consciousness. What we should focus on is education and organization that promotes revolutionary socialism and proclaims our ideology to the masses. Only once that movement is formed can a revolution of the proletariat be achieved. Armed struggle comes from the masses who have been awakened. It should not be used to awaken the proletariat before the time for revolution is ripe.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Any group proclaiming an armed struggle in order to rally the masses in the US would see their plans backfire greatly. The US media is ripe with "terrorist, extremist, ultra-leftist" slander and any group that carried out guerrilla attacks would branded as such. Their movement would quickly falter and cease to exist.

As Kassad rightly mentioned above, armed struggles and guerrilla tactics are effective in some situations as we have seen in history such as the Cuban, Chinese, Yugoslav revolutions. But in today's US, it has no hope of succeeding. We have seen movements such as the Weather Underground fail to raise class-consciousness in the US (and this was during a time of great dissatisfaction with the US government); why should we repeat their mistake?

[Charles Xavier]

Any type of struggle that occurs must be done openly within the ranks of the masses. You cannot make a revolution secret. A secret revolution is nothing more than a band of conspiratorial terrorists.

Theres no cookie cutter solution to rid the world of capitalism. Guerrilla struggle does work and has in many countries around this world. But doesn't work in every country. Why did the Guerrilla struggle work in Cuba? Because the masses were immersed and ready to fight. The revolution wasn't just in the sierra it was all over Cuba, many avenues of struggle were made.


Recall the Russian revolution of 1905, it was a revolution from a reformist root. The peasants came demanding change by asking the Tsar for assistance. Asking the class enemy to stop being such a class enemy. The Tsar gunned them all down. The revolution failed but it gave an important lesson to the masses of Russia on the basis it showed the peasants could no longer rely on the reformist form of struggle. Once this form of struggle proved exhausted the working class and peasantry proceeded to rally behind the Bolsheviks.

We revolutionaries, we workers are peacefully whenever possible, violent whenever necessary.

[mykittyhasaboner]

This is an inappropriate place for your squabbles, please use another medium so the thread can cease to be derailed.

[Rebel_Serigan]

I live here in the US and I have to agree that something needs to be done. I would be quick to run and grab my gun and head to the street if I knew I would have SOMEONE at my back with nother gun, the problems is in American that practicaly doesn't exist. An open fight would result in the slaughter of many good revelutionaries who would be forever remembered in the minds of those people we are trying to free as "Unorganized terrorist extremists" and then a crack down would ensue. This crack down would level all the remaining leftist revelutionaries and eventualy there would be no one left in America to figh against capitolism. I feel the end result must be a true struggle but long before that ever happens we must make a mental struggle. Just like Kassad said we need to win thier minds before we start shooting. American right wingers and capitolists are ignorant and media centered, whatever the media says the believe. We can not fight against an entire country, we can not win in an armed struggle, yet. So for now I am not joining into some ludicris plan to fight against the worlds most well trained military and the media zombie masses, no thank you. I will join when there is a chance of victory.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Welcome to planet "frustrated leftist wank fantasy"

[John Lenin]

The U.$. can only be brought down through structural collapse and financial ruin. Not Foco armed struggle.


http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/l_b0ad0ecb4bb1c16293d8407b2fceeb81.jpg


It's getting there (probably 30 years out) ... but beasts die slowly, and don't go easily.

[RedScare]

Not snowballs chance in hell of a successful armed struggle in America. The cultural is far too conservative, and people are far too comfortable, and have faith (misguided) faith in the political system. Believe me, it's gonna take a long time for the US to come around to socialism. Insurrection would do infinitely more damage than good to the far left movement.

The best we can hope for is better education, and making socialist ideas more mainstream. Try to do away with Cold War-era feelings, and influence US foreign policy to not slow down the revolution in the rest of the world. Try to spread radicalism among unions and workers, and make people more class conscious. As American, that's all that seems likely for me to be able to do in my lifetime.

[Kassad]

Not snowballs chance in hell of a successful armed struggle in America. The cultural is far too conservative, and people are far too comfortable, and have faith (misguided) faith in the political system. Believe me, it's gonna take a long time for the US to come around to socialism. Insurrection would do infinitely more damage than good to the far left movement.

The best we can hope for is better education, and making socialist ideas more mainstream. Try to do away with Cold War-era feelings, and influence US foreign policy to not slow down the revolution in the rest of the world. Try to spread radicalism among unions and workers, and make people more class conscious. As American, that's all that seems likely for me to be able to do in my lifetime.

...No chance of armed struggle being implemented succesfully in the United States, but you have an Ernesto 'Che' Guevara avatar? Okay, well, I'm going to go get my Trotsky avatar, but I'm sticking with 'socialism in one country.' I think you need to read up on what Guevara advocated because it sure wasn't peaceful education.

[RedScare]

...No chance of armed struggle being implemented succesfully in the United States, but you have an Ernesto 'Che' Guevara avatar? Okay, well, I'm going to go get my Trotsky avatar, but I'm sticking with 'socialism in one country.' I think you need to read up on what Guevara advocated because it sure wasn't peaceful education.
I know that. I just like the picture. :thumbup:

[Rebel_Serigan]

Speaking of avatars check me out. I think that is the best picture I have of myself. I have my baby in my hands and I am comfy, it is also a rather nice show of what i blieve in. I want to show strength though true victory in combat but I know not to fight an unwinable battle. I will use my verbal artilery until we can beat those conservative neo-gestapo soldiers. And yes, that is a bad ass picture of CHE. Viva la CHE! (Somewhat of a paradoxical statment)

[JimmyJazz]

I am willing to come to the United States launched the revolution!

PM me when you get here I will join you.