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....return the favour.
time to tell those stupid ant-semitic stalinists(not a bad thing per se(like they would understand)) the truth.
i just read a generalizing anti-semitic post from El Brujo and it made me... FURIOUS!!!
here it is:
Yes, AK-47 is a little ****, not to mention that "MarxIsGod" character Ive seen when I sometimes read there(who is both pro-zionist and pro-war on Iraq mad.gif )
FUCK HIM!!
(to the best of my knowledge MarxIsGod isn't pro-zionist, but this fucker is so blinded and feeling part of this stalinist counter-solidarity club that he doesn't even explain a single accusation and why being zionist would be bad, why this user is pro-zionist or for the war(which is over!!! (for their information-- they're quite slow overthere.)
so.. time to talk bad about them.... if you don't understand why you are not allowed here and still think you are so much smarter and superior you are really stupid, fuck, you are really worthless shit with all your self-pittyfulness-- IT MAKES ME SICK.. don't bother us with your existence, if you wanna talk about che-lives do it here or not-- not behind our backs..
i respect Joon's efforts, but he is blinded by stalinist rhetorics, imo.
i know i am generalizing but i just want it to hurt the ppl who do talk about che-lives.com, how it's full of "liberals" wanabee"-- if we wan't someone to analyze us, we hire a shrink, but not a nationalist pig as El Brujo par example, posting on a Internationalist board (which they started of with but now it's solely reffered to as socialist front.
let the petty name-calling begin....
the only sensible chap is banned 2 times already.. McOpinion.
here is a quote:
" I have had a bit of a look around Che-Lives and it seems perfectly fine too me. There's a lot more going on then on this site, that's for sure, and there are some very smart things being said. There are also a lot of idiotic things being said. There's that here as well, however.
I think anyone who is getting that excited about a message board and its "quality" is probably spending too much time on the internet.
I feel that you are just frustrated with the other message board.
I actually think it's very immature what most of you are saying. Too bad."
«Hack attempt»??
:
This board is too quiet though. If we could somehow steal their 'good' members or when they logged onto Che-Lives were redirected here, all without them noticing! A bit devious laugh.gif Na serious though the board is full of idiots and the smart ones dont know what to do, they start picking on the authoritarians even though they are the only ones who post good, lengthy, quality posts. I dunno they need a refresh!
Prometheus "
Leftist Spider:
"I don't care to expand. A question was asked, and I answered it. The question asked whether anyone was from Che-Lives.com, and I gave my username. I thought you didn't want spam? I kept the message to a minimum to avoid problems. In fact, I don't care if others care or not. Apparently, they do, otherwise this thread wouldn't have been there, and I answered the initial question in the thread. I don't need to participate in the previous replies in this thread to be able to post my part in this thread, do I? In fact, spam means unrelated material that is not appropriate, right? Check out the initial question, and check out the last 5 replies.
Oh please, Comrade Junichi, it's just a message board, eh, not an army. I don't have to give anyone any explanation, but am doing so right now to let you know my view on how you're going on deleting posts and editing them because you don't like them. What happened to the good ol' freedom of speech? Isn't this what some of us are fighting for anyway?
Whatever. I've said enough already. The ball is in your court. Do what you "have to do." It's your board. I don't intend on staying on a board whose admin goes around policing each and every thread, asking for the content to be edited, and naming it as "spam."
You know? The reason Che-Lives.com is more successful than your little board down here is because of your attitude as an administrator.
And another thing, Comrade Junichi, as the saying goes, "don't do onto others what you don't want others to do onto you." Your own definition of "spam" applies to you on Che-Lives.com... That's hypocrisy right there.
Take care, comrade. Best of luck. You could, of course, delete my account. I might be gone, my posts deleted and edited to suit your mood, but your board will be branded as the "police state of message boards."
Regards,
Comrade Daniel"
And Joon, don't blame others and discard every bit of critique as if it was nonesense-- you ARE a spammer.
Don't make all kinds of "iffy" excuses, like: "(..) You know, Che-Lives is not neccessarily more "successful" than our board. And even if it was it's most definitely not the attitude of me. (..)"
and - i gotta puke - you proceed with: "It is the attitude of me that helps bring the quality of posts up" !!!!?
care to discuss that last one with me?? how does it bring more "quality" to your board?
he continues:
"First of all, Che-Lives pretty much is a spam board. I already know I spam on Che-Lives, you have seen my thread. However, this is my board. My definition of spam does apply for me on Che-Lives, you're correct, however my policies do not. I am not denying that it's spam but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to on that board. There are no regulations or policies to stop me.
little arrogant, no?
i really think that for these ant fuckers(D DAY would understand what i mean),we should set up regulations, not to follow them per se, but just to show them to these spammers, and say: "Told you so!!"
i think Leftist Spider could write such a piece, he has done it for his own site, which HAS value as a message board, in contrast with Joon's board(notice when i say site i mean only the board.. the rest looks nice and i think that most members are quite capable of writing great articles for the site, again, Joon, i have respect for your efforts i just think you've gone too far, already with the board.
"Liberal Paradise of Che-Lives" is furthermore,imo, a great title for this community(it was suggested by Joon is the same thread as the above quoted).:)
Malte could you change it, please
about the blinded by stalinist rhetorics thing(a quote from felicia):
"[/quote]QUOTE (Comrade Junichi @ May 9 2003, 07:20 PM)
I'm just leaning different directions, or stronger one direction.
Stop spamming. If you want to spam go to Che-Lives, and by the way you can edit posts.[/quote]
If you're directing that comment at me... I DID EDIT ONE OF MY POSTS. I don't know what it is, but you've gotten rude over the past little while :("
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 14:17
Quote: from Scotty on 12:46 pm on June 2, 2003
....return the favour.
time to tell those stupid ant-semitic stalinists(not a bad thing per se(like they would understand)) the truth.
i just read a generalizing anti-semitic post from El Brujo and it made me... FURIOUS!!!
here it is:
Yes, AK-47 is a little ****, not to mention that "MarxIsGod" character Ive seen when I sometimes read there(who is both pro-zionist and pro-war on Iraq mad.gif )
FUCK HIM!!
(to the best of my knowledge MarxIsGod isn't pro-zionist, but this fucker is so blinded and feeling part of this stalinist counter-solidarity club that he doesn't even explain a single accusation and why being zionist would be bad, why this user is pro-zionist or for the war(which is over!!! (for their information-- they're quite slow overthere.)
so.. time to talk bad about them.... if you don't understand why you are not allowed here and still think you are so much smarter and superior you are really stupid, fuck, you are really worthless shit with all your self-pittyfulness-- IT MAKES ME SICK.. don't bother us with your existence, if you wanna talk about che-lives do it here or not-- not behind our backs..
i respect Joon's efforts, but he is blinded by stalinist rhetorics, imo.
i know i am generalizing but i just want it to hurt the ppl who do talk about che-lives.com, how it's full of "liberals" wanabee"-- if we wan't someone to analyze us, we hire a shrink, but not a nationalist pig as El Brujo par example, posting on a Internationalist board (which they started of with but now it's solely reffered to as socialist front.
let the petty name-calling begin....
....return the favour.
time to tell those stupid ant-semitic stalinists(not a bad thing per se(like they would understand)) the truth.
Ah, yes. Stalinism and Anti-semitism. :)
here it is:
Yes, AK-47 is a little ****, not to mention that "MarxIsGod" character Ive seen when I sometimes read there(who is both pro-zionist and pro-war on Iraq mad.gif )
FUCK HIM!!
(to the best of my knowledge MarxIsGod isn't pro-zionist, but this fucker is so blinded and feeling part of this stalinist counter-solidarity club that he doesn't even explain a single accusation and why being zionist would be bad, why this user is pro-zionist or for the war(which is over!!! (for their information-- they're quite slow overthere.)
I fail to see the anti-semitism in that quote, I'm not being sarcastic here. I honestly have no clue what that quote means. If it was attacking anti-zionism, anti-Zionist is not anti-semitic.
so.. time to talk bad about them.... if you don't understand why you are not allowed here and still think you are so much smarter and superior you are really stupid, fuck, you are really worthless shit with all your self-pittyfulness-- IT MAKES ME SICK..
Hmm...You were just saying how El Brujo doesn't give an explanation for his statement, now all you do is flame. Maybe you should go cool off so other people can understand what you're saying. What do you mean by self-pitiness? You do realize almost all of those members who posted in that thread are all old members from Che-Lives. These were daily posters of Che-Lives, they left because of Che-Lives' extreme anti-"authoritarianism". Oh no, nevermind it's not anti-authoritarianism, it's anti-anti-semitism, right?
don't bother us with your existence, if you wanna talk about che-lives do it here or not-- not behind our backs..
We did not bother you with our existance. You are bothering yourself by not understanding that people do not like this board, on the contrary people do not like my board. There is never a 100 percent consensus, now deal with it before you pop a blood vessel.
Oh, and how about you reply to El Brujo's post? You are a member of the ISF Forums, go ahead, post away. Noone's stopping you.
i respect Joon's efforts, but he is blinded by stalinist rhetorics, imo.
Riiiight, and you're blinded by western propaganda. Done.
i know i am generalizing but i just want it to hurt the ppl who do talk about che-lives.com
Haha, alright. Just so you can get an eye for an eye. I'll take your other eye: FUCK YOU!
how it's full of "liberals" wanabee"-- if we wan't someone to analyze us, we hire a shrink, but not a nationalist pig as El Brujo par example
Actually, it is true that Che-Lives has become secluded and supporting of only the libertarian sector of socialists. This board which started off as the "Internationalist Forum for Che Admirers", has become the "Liberal Forum for Che Admirers".
No matter what you do people will analyze this board, deal with it. As for the "nationalist pig", El Brujo, I wouldn't know because I don't know everything about his ideology.
posting on a Internationalist board (which they started of with but now it's solely reffered to as socialist front.
It's the International Socialist Front, which means it's an organization for all socialists from liberal to authoritarian. When has the name ever changed? Perhaps, you should gather more information and ask me before you draw conclusions with your already created mindset of anti-authoritarian-ISF.
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 14:22
Quote: from Scotty on 12:48 pm on June 2, 2003
the only sensible chap is banned 2 times already.. McOpinion.
here is a quote:
" I have had a bit of a look around Che-Lives and it seems perfectly fine too me. There's a lot more going on then on this site, that's for sure, and there are some very smart things being said. There are also a lot of idiotic things being said. There's that here as well, however.
I think anyone who is getting that excited about a message board and its "quality" is probably spending too much time on the internet.
I feel that you are just frustrated with the other message board.
I actually think it's very immature what most of you are saying. Too bad."
the only sensible chap is banned 2 times already.. McOpinion.
The only sensible chap? Everyone on the board is "sensible", if they weren't they'd be banned. Joining a board with the name "McFuck" isn't giving yourself a good name.
I don't have the time to search for his first three posts which created the "sensible" idea to ban him, which was talked over with other members.
here is a quote:
Dear forum administrator,
How are you? I am fine. I am writing to ask if I have been banneed from these forums under the user name "McFuck". That seems to be the case. Is there any specific reason for that, or were you afraid I was a jazz fan?
I hope you will either explain or allow me to atone for my vast crimes against your community here. Perhaps there is some form of service I could do as my way of apologising? Please do let me know, as this forum looks particularily interesting.
I suspect you banned me because either my user name was offensive, or some of the three posts worth of sentences I posted were offensive. You must understand that McFuck is my given name, yes it is a rare name, but my parent did not mean any harm on that drunken night in 1983 when they realised they were pregnant with me, and I doubt they foresaw the troubles I would have in the future (being that they were coked out of their minds, in addition to the alcohol).
I was seven months premature, and spent the first five years of my life in a home for seven month premature babies off the coast of Trinidad and Tabago. Due to my lack of exposure to reality and my clandestine nature, I can sometimes be overly offensive, but Iam learning with every day that goes by.
Yours sincirely,
McUnregistered.
P.S. I looked at some of the pictures on the "Junification" webpage and (presuming that that is you) I would just like to say that you are a beautiful example of Asian facial design. Congratulations on being born in that part of the world, for it is a fine and honourable thing to be Asian.
P.P.S Although I have a certain partiality towards Asian people, I do not actually see them as somehow "better" (or worse) than people of any other ethnicity. I love all creatures under the sun, and some of the ones above the sun.
P.P.P.S. I was about to post this last night under my other name, but discovered I had once again been banned. How sad.
http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....ct=ST&f=2&t=123 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=123)
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 14:25
Quote: from Scotty on 12:53 pm on June 2, 2003
«Hack attempt»??
:
This board is too quiet though. If we could somehow steal their 'good' members or when they logged onto Che-Lives were redirected here, all without them noticing! A bit devious laugh.gif Na serious though the board is full of idiots and the smart ones dont know what to do, they start picking on the authoritarians even though they are the only ones who post good, lengthy, quality posts. I dunno they need a refresh!
Prometheus "
Here is another example of the mindset you've created based on your, less than five, visits to the ISF Forums. Hack Attempt?? Where'd you get that from? If you understood he was joking, and none of us have the computer nerdiness in them to even attempt how to do whatever he said, you wouldn't be thinking it's a "hack attempt". He was giving his opinion about Che-Lives. Oh, by the way, that's IrishGuevara from Che-Lives...if any of you remember.
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 14:28
Quote: from Scotty on 12:59 pm on June 2, 2003
Leftist Spider:
"I don't care to expand. A question was asked, and I answered it. The question asked whether anyone was from Che-Lives.com, and I gave my username. I thought you didn't want spam? I kept the message to a minimum to avoid problems. In fact, I don't care if others care or not. Apparently, they do, otherwise this thread wouldn't have been there, and I answered the initial question in the thread. I don't need to participate in the previous replies in this thread to be able to post my part in this thread, do I? In fact, spam means unrelated material that is not appropriate, right? Check out the initial question, and check out the last 5 replies.
Oh please, Comrade Junichi, it's just a message board, eh, not an army. I don't have to give anyone any explanation, but am doing so right now to let you know my view on how you're going on deleting posts and editing them because you don't like them. What happened to the good ol' freedom of speech? Isn't this what some of us are fighting for anyway?
Whatever. I've said enough already. The ball is in your court. Do what you "have to do." It's your board. I don't intend on staying on a board whose admin goes around policing each and every thread, asking for the content to be edited, and naming it as "spam."
You know? The reason Che-Lives.com is more successful than your little board down here is because of your attitude as an administrator.
And another thing, Comrade Junichi, as the saying goes, "don't do onto others what you don't want others to do onto you." Your own definition of "spam" applies to you on Che-Lives.com... That's hypocrisy right there.
Take care, comrade. Best of luck. You could, of course, delete my account. I might be gone, my posts deleted and edited to suit your mood, but your board will be branded as the "police state of message boards."
Regards,
Comrade Daniel"
My reply to that post.
I also was referring to several other posts I have seen by you. The definition of spam on here means more than just irrelevant shit, and true, your post was not irrelevant. But this was a built up of several other posts. If you are not satisfied by some policies, then so be it - leave, if you have not already.
Oh please, Comrade Junichi, it's just a message board, eh, not an army. I don't have to give anyone any explanation, but am doing so right now to let you know my view on how you're going on deleting posts and editing them because you don't like them.
I have not deleted any posts, have I deleted any of yours? I have deleted any posts simply because I did not like them, and I would not either. I delete them because the members don't want shit posts, and you have not been with us on the old board - which failed because of the spam. I have not edited an original post, but simply add a little message.
What happened to the good ol' freedom of speech? Isn't this what some of us are fighting for anyway?
When have I abused any of your freedom of speech? Oh, please, because I won't let you post one line responses that annoy people? Anti-Freedom of Speech is also what some people are fighting for, so fucking what? You do realize that the board is open to all ideologies, while Che-Lives is only secluded to the ultra liberals. The rest of the ideologies are banned or caged.
Whatever. I've said enough already. The ball is in your court. Do what you "have to do." It's your board. I don't intend on staying on a board whose admin goes around policing each and every thread, asking for the content to be edited, and naming it as "spam."
What the fuck is an admin supposed to do? Oh, I suppose Malte is a great admin who never posts or is even seen on his own board. Since, obviously, you have not even bothered looking into the Serious Discussion's you probably have not noticed, but the quality of this board is extremely good and in my honest opinion I find this to be one of the best boards out there. We don't intend on keeping you, who posts a one line response and hides behind "freedom of speech".
You know? The reason Che-Lives.com is more successful than your little board down here is because of your attitude as an administrator.
You know, Che-Lives is not neccessarily more "successful" than our board. And even if it was it's most definitely not the attitude of me. It is the attitude of me that helps bring the quality of posts up, you check the quality of posts yourself - if you even bother checking the Serious Discussion. If you mean "successful" as in more members and posts, than it is because it is the first site that comes up when you type "Che" in a Google search. This board was created April, 2003 while Che-Lives was created in the summer of 2001, memberships accumulate over time.
And another thing, Comrade Junichi, as the saying goes, "don't do onto others what you don't want others to do onto you." Your own definition of "spam" applies to you on Che-Lives.com... That's hypocrisy right there.
First of all, Che-Lives pretty much is a spam board. I already know I spam on Che-Lives, you have seen my thread. However, this is my board. My definition of spam does apply for me on Che-Lives, you're correct, however my policies do not. I am not denying that it's spam but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to on that board. There are no regulations or policies to stop me.
You talk about how Che-Lives is much better, then you bring up your "freedom of speech" and admin/modships. Maybe you keep a blind eye to it but Che-Lives is full of modship abuses and ideological cleansing or "caging". This makes the policies of Che-Lives much more arrogant than the policies ISF.
Take care, comrade. Best of luck. You could, of course, delete my account. I might be gone, my posts deleted and edited to suit your mood, but your board will be branded as the "police state of message boards."
Thanks.
Delete posts? Can you explain to me when I have deleted one post on this board? Edited? I have not edited any of the original posts but simply add a message. Suit my mood? It is to suit the board and it has made the board run extremely well. ISF will be branded as the "Police State of Message Boards"? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! And you are, obviously, already branded as an idiot who has been offended because I don't want spam on my board. I think Che-Lives has taken up the charts already for "Police State of Message Boards", but sure you can leave this "Police State(LOL)" to go back to the Liberal Paradise of Che-Lives. If you decide to stay, abide by the policies.
http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....f=2&t=116&st=15 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=116&st=15)
(Edited by ComradeJunichi at 2:29 pm on June 2, 2003)
anti-Zionist is not anti-semitic.it is when used by this individual, believe me.
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 14:44
Quote: from Scotty on 1:14 pm on June 2, 2003
And Joon, don't blame others and discard every bit of critique as if it was nonesense-- you ARE a spammer.
Don't make all kinds of "iffy" excuses, like: "(..) You know, Che-Lives is not neccessarily more "successful" than our board. And even if it was it's most definitely not the attitude of me. (..)"
and - i gotta puke - you proceed with: "It is the attitude of me that helps bring the quality of posts up" !!!!?
care to discuss that last one with me?? how does it bring more "quality" to your board?
he continues:
"First of all, Che-Lives pretty much is a spam board. I already know I spam on Che-Lives, you have seen my thread. However, this is my board. My definition of spam does apply for me on Che-Lives, you're correct, however my policies do not. I am not denying that it's spam but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to on that board. There are no regulations or policies to stop me.
little arrogant, no?
i really think that for these ant fuckers(D DAY would understand what i mean),we should set up regulations, not to follow them per se, but just to show them to these spammers, and say: "Told you so!!"
i think Leftist Spider could write such a piece, he has done it for his own site, which HAS value as a message board, in contrast with Joon's board(notice when i say site i mean only the board.. the rest looks nice and i think that most members are quite capable of writing great articles for the site, again, Joon, i have respect for your efforts i just think you've gone too far, already with the board.
And Joon, don't blame others and discard every bit of critique as if it was nonesense-- you ARE a spammer.
Actually, I am not a spammer. If you bothered reading any of my posts on ISF Forums, I am not so hypocritical as you claim I am to be. I would not even have the nerve to go against my own policies (that the community agrees with, if they didn't there is a thread I have created in the ISF Assembly forum for them to post in).
If you are saying I am a spammer on Che-Lives, go ahead, because you're right. I am a spammer on Che-Lives, I am a spammer on FightTheOctopus, I am a spammer on PunkHardcore.
I do not discard every piece of critique as nonsense, the reason I've created a ISF Assembly forum (which I had something similar to it on CYPSK also) is for criticism. Please, give me one example where I have claimed criticism is spam?
Don't make all kinds of "iffy" excuses, like: "(..) You know, Che-Lives is not neccessarily more "successful" than our board. And even if it was it's most definitely not the attitude of me. (..)"
If you bothered reading that thread (which I don't have the time to look for), the previous post claimed that the reason Che-Lives was better was because of the attitude of the administrator. Now if anyone was "sensible" enough to think about that, they'd understand that's complete nonsense.
and - i gotta puke - you proceed with: "It is the attitude of me that helps bring the quality of posts up" !!!!?
It is the "attitude" (the word introduced by the previous poster) of me, my anti-spam and "authoritarianism" which the liberals that have joined the board cannot stand, that has brought quality of the posts up. I can prove this because senior members from CYPSK knew my "free-post-whatever-the-fuck-you-want" policy brought the downfall of CYPSK. Now I have changed my policies on ISF, and I can prove it by the compare and contrast of the two forums.
care to discuss that last one with me?? how does it bring more "quality" to your board?
Look at the quality of posts on our board, if you bothered reading anything. It is the members who visit and post daily who agree with the board policies and that the quality of posts make the board one of the best out there.
he continues:
"First of all, Che-Lives pretty much is a spam board. I already know I spam on Che-Lives, you have seen my thread. However, this is my board. My definition of spam does apply for me on Che-Lives, you're correct, however my policies do not. I am not denying that it's spam but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to on that board. There are no regulations or policies to stop me.
How is that, in the least bit, even arrogant? I'm admitting I spam, something you accused me of. I'm admitting my definition of spam always sticks to me, which proves that I am not hypocritical. I am explaining myself, which I have the right to do when I am wrongfully-accused and criticized based on wrong information.
i really think that for these ant fuckers(D DAY would understand what i mean),we should set up regulations, not to follow them per se, but just to show them to these spammers, and say: "Told you so!!"
If you set these anti-spam policies and regulations up and had the power to keep them intact, raise the quality of posts, and destroy and keep out spammers, go ahead. Who am I to stop you? Ofcourse, if these policies were set on the board, I would stop my spamming on Che-Lives.
i think Leftist Spider could write such a piece, he has done it for his own site, which HAS value as a message board, in contrast with Joon's board(notice when i say site i mean only the board..
I'm not sure what you're saying in this part of your post. I think you are comparing the ISF board and Leftist Spider's (Comrade Daniel's) board. What the hell does this have to do with anything? So you are claiming the ISF Forums have no value? Alright, then. You may stop posting and visiting our valueless board. For all the other members who visit and post daily, they must like to do "unvaluable" things. Or...our opinions may differ, which is something you're having problems with understanding.
the rest looks nice and i think that most members are quite capable of writing great articles for the site, again, Joon, i have respect for your efforts i just think you've gone too far, already with the board.
Thanks for the respect, I think I am doing quite well. I also think the members are great, we are starting up on articles.
You think I've gone too far? I fail to see that. Trying to stop spam and increase quality posts for my board....that must be insane! You have not posted anything on the board, maybe a post or two. How about you try posting and having discussions or debates and see for yourself. But since you've already created the mindset of anti-ISF policies, you might not want to try and enjoy the boards.
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 14:46
Quote: from Scotty on 1:19 pm on June 2, 2003
"Liberal Paradise of Che-Lives" is furthermore,imo, a great title for this community(it was suggested by Joon is the same thread as the above quoted).:)
Malte could you change it, please
Whatever happened to Internationalist Forum? Weren't you claiming the ISF Forums are not internationalist, and support all socialists? So you agree that this board(Che-Lives) is strictly for liberals and anti-authoritarian?
If this is an example of your sarcasm, then I take my words back and disregard this post.
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 14:52
Quote: from Scotty on 1:25 pm on June 2, 2003
about the blinded by stalinist rhetorics thing(a quote from felicia):
"QUOTE (Comrade Junichi @ May 9 2003, 07:20 PM)
I'm just leaning different directions, or stronger one direction.
Stop spamming. If you want to spam go to Che-Lives, and by the way you can edit posts.[/quote]
If you're directing that comment at me... I DID EDIT ONE OF MY POSTS. I don't know what it is, but you've gotten rude over the past little while :("
[/quote]
What do you know about our, being Felicia and I, relationship? If you bothered looking at the thread she posted three posts in a row one of them clearing a mistake in the last post. I simply said you can edit posts which will make it easier for other members to read and go through.
"Rude"? I haven't talked to Felicia since early February, and that post was one of the only encounters she's had with me. It's rude for her to claim that I've become "rude" by a single post.
If this is your example of giving other's criticisms of the ISF Forums, then here is mine.
Creating a thread for others to criticize my "authoritarian" policies on the ISF Forums: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....t=ST&f=11&t=139 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=139)
A thread created informing and asking the members about my spam policy in the ISF Assembly forum: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....t=ST&f=11&t=118 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=118)
And go around and ask members on our board, who actually post on our board what they think.
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 14:55
Quote: from Scotty on 2:34 pm on June 2, 2003
anti-Zionist is not anti-semitic.it is when used by this individual, believe me.
Reuben is anti-zionist, why don't we ban him from Che-Lives. I know everything about his ideology, just like you know everything about El Brujo's. There are many anti-zionists on this board(Che-Lives), why don't we ban them all because of their anti-semitism. I am anti-zionist, let's ban me for being equivalent to Adolf Hitler. Many socialists are actually anti-religion, or atheist. Why don't we ban them for oppression of the religious.
i've read all posts by McBanned and have visited your site more than five times.. i have cooled down, and altough i think i was a little harsh on you, calling Leftist Spider an idiot, doesn't give me any assurance that you wouldn't call me an idiot if i'd said nicely that your forum is too strict and some members suck, if i would be able under the circumstances, so i did it this way. and believe me or not, before El Brujo's last posts on the board i gave him(and you) the benefit of the doubt and didn't have reason too get into it or even dislike the board-- if i didn't like the attitute of most members right away(which are indeed on che-lives all portrayed as "stalinists", may it or may it not be the case that they are) i wouldn't have registered to begin with. But i don't like a discussion on your board all that much since i will(by my mistakes, i am sure(flaming)) most certainly be banned after the first page, if not sooner. i don't think debating with El Brujo is getting me anywhere, i don't like his opinions, as i think how they are, and it's up to him to convince me otherwise if he can't stand the hatred i sometimes have to vent on sites like these(maybe not about him personally, but the things i think he stands for.)
i am sorry for the flaming.
i are strongly against ppl who find themselves better in any way-- greater insights in politics or whatever.
If the articles your board's members gonna write are just a little more about politics, rather than "liberals" and "wanabees" than it's gonna be superb, i hope-- 'cause your members have a lot of knowledge on quite many political subjects.
and i am the just somebody who thinks that because of the banning of "liberals" your site is gonna be a stalinist(or nationalist or racist) front, rather then a socialist front, because for a socialist front you need popular public support, you need us(those other che-lives members).
But since you've already created the mindset of anti-ISF policies, you might not want to try and enjoy the boards.well, one post got me exceptionally furious about your site, and i am sorry for generalizing your members into a category i think just some deserve to be in.
i find you board very strict and heavely regulated, but, so be it.. i will try to enjoy your site-- i guess it will not work out and i will then leave.
i've seen the development of your board and thought to see it heading a direction, admin-wise, and so forth that i strongly disagreed with, that mixed with the hatred i developed towards some of your board's members(ok, i admit, it's hard to judge someone on a computer screen) that i started this thread-- i think it is quite fair to start it, and i hope that the members on the site have the ability to defend their stance in OI or in this thread or just say "FUCK YOU".
It is regulated to the point that useless spam is not tolerated. Go read the post in the Assembly (I think that is the forums name) and (i read the first one and got mad:)). You don't have to go if you don't want to. The discussion is usually much more casually serious. People actually respond to everything you say and questions are worked out by not two people but often four or five. It is new, it will come to life.
(Edited by CrazyPete at 10:48 am on June 2, 2003)
Quote: from CrazyPete on 4:45 pm on June 2, 2003
It is regulated to the point that useless spam is not tolerated. Go read the post in the Assembly (I think that is the forums name) and (i read the first one and got mad:)). You don't have to go if you don't want to. The discussion is usually much more casually serious. People actually respond to everything you say and questions are worked out by not two people but often four or five. It is new, it will come to life.
(Edited by CrazyPete at 10:48 am on June 2, 2003)
i am glad something comes alive and i am fascinated by the development of the site, but i hope it doen't turn out to be a monster, so to speak--
i hope the administration becomes more tolerant, whether it's stated in some piece of text or not.
i just wanted to have a say on the subject of your board.. as you have on this board-- just wanted to get it out of my system, and i am glad to tell you it's out.
no more ranting, no more flaming.
Quote: from ComradeJunichi on 3:46 pm on June 2, 2003
Quote: from Scotty on 1:19 pm on June 2, 2003
"Liberal Paradise of Che-Lives" is furthermore,imo, a great title for this community(it was suggested by Joon is the same thread as the above quoted).:)
Malte could you change it, please
Whatever happened to Internationalist Forum? Weren't you claiming the ISF Forums are not internationalist, and support all socialists? So you agree that this board(Che-Lives) is strictly for liberals and anti-authoritarian?
If this is an example of your sarcasm, then I take my words back and disregard this post.
was indeed sarcasm btw, sorry for the lack of smilies, but they don't have to be part of your post-- we don't have regulations on it ;)
komsomol
2nd June 2003, 16:11
I am a Trotskyist and I prefer posting on ISF to Che-lives, but that is mostly because I am not a heavy poster and prefer something I can keep up with and don't like having to sift through lots of posts that can tend to be irrelivant. I admit that this board tot me a lot when I first came here, but since I left here I have had more interesting discussions and learnt more, and as there is not too many posters you get better feedback too. Im sure there are just as many, if not more quality posts here in the time ISF has been up, but its a difficulty finding them and there is a lot of repitition and posts which do not interest me. As far as regulations go, I like the anti-spam policy , I however have differences on how it should be implimented.
Edelweiss
2nd June 2003, 16:16
Dudes, what a pointless discussion about a forum which hardly has more than 100 threads, and is also so fucking slow that it's nearly unusable.
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Quote: from MOLOCH on 5:11 pm on June 2, 2003
I am a Trotskyist and I prefer posting on ISF to Che-lives, but that is mostly because I am not a heavy poster and prefer something I can keep up with and don't like having to sift through lots of posts that can tend to be irrelivant. I admit that this board tot me a lot when I first came here, but since I left here I have had more interesting discussions and learnt more, and as there is not too many posters you get better feedback too. Im sure there are just as many, if not more quality posts here in the time ISF has been up, but its a difficulty finding them and there is a lot of repitition and posts which do not interest me. As far as regulations go, I like the anti-spam policy , I however have differences on how it should be implimented.
i understand your "issues" about che-lives-- hope ISF evolves to an even more interesting but more tolerant community or movement, whatever it will accomplish.
@Malte:
it's not slow, imo. Malte, and i have a very slow connection-- it's not slow. but if you worry they might wanna re-create che-lives with stalinists allowed on all forums i think that's not the case, i think.
Slow??
the fact that it has 100 threads is non-conclusive -- it's without spam ;) (i have to admit)
(Edited by Scotty at 5:47 pm on June 2, 2003)
Hahaha that is true malte. And most threads do not have replies. Even in my Philosophy forum! NOOOOOO
Edelweiss
2nd June 2003, 16:38
Well, it IS slow for me, and I have a DSL line.
And Scotty, I know it's not very nice to say that to you now, but in past times I got pretty pissed off about your "spammy" posting style, and I even have send you are warning message about that. Damn Scotty, Che-Lives is a message board and not a chat room! Stop creating threads like THIS (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=15&topic=571) in any other forum beside Chit Chat.
ay, well i posted it here(it's a thread about me and this forum could use a main attraction ;))
you may send it to Chit Chat, if you find the time Malte.
thx in advance.
Edelweiss
2nd June 2003, 16:56
It's not only that thread, Scotty. Most of your posts doesn't conist of more than 5 words, it's okay for the Chit Chat forum, but please try to find another style for the political forums, only say something, if you really have something to say.
Cassius Clay
2nd June 2003, 17:14
''time to tell those stupid ant-semitic stalinists(not a bad thing per se(like they would understand)) the truth.''
Now this really shows ignorance at it's best. I'm not sure where this myth and lie comes from but I'm going to put a end to it. For decades those evil 'Stalinists' are accussed of being part of a 'Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy' and now we are accussed of being 'anti-semtic'. The latter lie has about as much credit as the ones the Nazis spread. Why it has so much support on this board I don't know.
Ignorance is bliss and your indulging in it big time. So whatever helps you sleep at night.
Oh yeah and who are you to criticise Joon and his board? As far as I know there hasn't been any bannings for no reason and the members given no warning. There's no restiction just because people have a different opinion and there are actually intelliegent threads there.
True this board has alot more members and activity, that's because it's a dam good board with plenty of members allready aswell as nice info on Che and I gather it's been online for two odd years.
Edelweiss
2nd June 2003, 17:32
CC, many Stalinists on Che-lives were anti-semitic fuckers, that's one of the main reason why I was so strict on them, check posts from members like ThineStalin or Ymir. All that pseudo-political Stalinists nerds (and no, I'm not talking about you), for whom having a nice looking sig with Stalin in it is more important than really joining any political real live actions, are the kind of members I don't wanna have here, maybe even you can understand that.
Cassius Clay
2nd June 2003, 19:40
Very true Malte.
I can understand you not wanting your board to have that sought of image and I fully support you banning such people. There rascists hiding behind a particular image to justify there rascism. I probably despise NB's and there ilk more than alot of others round here. And yes as I once explained to a fellow 'Stalinist' (who happens to be Jewish) there is indeed a problem of anti-semitism among the so called 'left'. But at the same time calling all 'Stalinists' anti-semitic is equally flawed, if not more so since many 'Stalinists' are involved in creating a united Isreali/Palestinian front in the middle east and also fighting against anti-semtic's in the former Soviet Union.
El Brujo
2nd June 2003, 20:38
Joon, thanks for bringing this to my attention.
This will make for quite a return.
"....return the favour.
time to tell those stupid ant-semitic stalinists(not a bad thing per se(like they would understand)) the truth.
Yes, we filthy “Stalinsits” are such “anti-semitic” pricks. Never mind the fact that all Eastern European Jews would have been liquidated if not for Stalin’s army.
" i just read a generalizing anti-semitic post from El Brujo and it made me... FURIOUS!!!
here it is:
Yes, AK-47 is a little ****, not to mention that "MarxIsGod" character Ive seen when I sometimes read there(who is both pro-zionist and pro-war on Iraq mad.gif ) "
Right. Please explain how anything in that post is "anti-semitic". There is a big difference between being anti-zionist and being anti-semitic. Not all Jews are zionists or support Israel. Something the politically correct neo-fascists from the ADL and JDL fail to recognize.
Calling someone "anti-semitic" for criticizing zionism is like calling someone "anti-white" for criticizing apartheid or NS (which people who believe in those ideologies do as they portray whites as victims in every situation just like Zionists do with Jews). But, as western media has a vested interest in Israel, it is made socially acceptible, even though Israel is treating Palestinians like the Nazis treated them. You, my friend, are still brainwashed by western bourgeoisie media.
"to the best of my knowledge MarxIsGod isn't pro-zionist, but this fucker is so blinded and feeling part of this stalinist counter-solidarity club that he doesn't even explain a single accusation and why being zionist would be bad why this user is pro-zionist or for the war(which is over!!! (for their information-- they're quite slow overthere.)"
I’ve explained various times, why zionism and the war are wrong in ISF, CYPSK and here (my last post here was on the subject, as a matter of fact). If you bothered to look at other's opinions in an objective, non-assuming fashion, you would understand (especially you, as the "leftist" you claim to be).
And this "anti-solidarity club" you talk about is purely a creation of this site’s hypocricy. We were singled us out as "fake socialists", "heartless tyrants" and "stalinist kiddies" and restrictions were put on a whole branch of leftist ideology just because they disagree with us (ironically, its the libertarians doing this. All while going on about "multi-party democratic socialism" and other such liberal fallacies). ISF is administered by Joon, an authoritarian socialist and what you would consider a "Stalinist", yet people of any ideology whatsoever are free to post their opinions as long as they don't spam or annoy other board members, it just so happens that it mostly consists of hardline Leninists. If you want a fucking "anti-solidarity club", look no further than this site.
"if you wanna talk about che-lives do it here or not-- not behind our backs.."
If you want to talk shit about me, respond to my posts. Not behind my back.
"i know i am generalizing but i just want it to hurt the ppl who do talk about che-lives.com, how it's full of "liberals" wanabee""
On the contrary, I’m rather flattered at the cult of personality I’ve left in this board. Your pitiful insults do anything but “hurt” me, nor do they gain any respect from me. Im more bothered by you giving Maradona a bad name than by your childish remarks.
"if we wan't someone to analyze us, we hire a shrink, but not a nationalist pig as El Brujo par example, posting on a Internationalist board (which they started of with but now it's solely reffered to as socialist front."
Again, if you bothered to read my posts objectively, you would know what type of nationalist I am and that there is an enormous difference between national self-sufficiency and imperialist nationalism (ultra-nationalism). Movements for national liberation are perfectly feasible with Marxism and contribute to the international struggle for world socialism as they work to end the economic dominance of the western bourgeoisie. I don’t suppose you’ve seen me talking, on many instances, about pan-Latin Americanism, which Che was a supporter of (the Latin American equivalent of Nkrumah’s pan-Africanism and Nasser’s pan-Arabism).
I am both a nationalist and an internationalist. It’s a paradox that pre-pubescent kiddies such as yourself fail to understand.
(Edited by El Brujo at 4:42 am on June 3, 2003)
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 20:48
Quote: from Scotty on 3:07 pm on June 2, 2003
i've read all posts by McBanned and have visited your site more than five times.. i have cooled down, and altough i think i was a little harsh on you, calling Leftist Spider an idiot, doesn't give me any assurance that you wouldn't call me an idiot if i'd said nicely that your forum is too strict and some members suck, if i would be able under the circumstances, so i did it this way. and believe me or not, before El Brujo's last posts on the board i gave him(and you) the benefit of the doubt and didn't have reason too get into it or even dislike the board-- if i didn't like the attitute of most members right away(which are indeed on che-lives all portrayed as "stalinists", may it or may it not be the case that they are) i wouldn't have registered to begin with. But i don't like a discussion on your board all that much since i will(by my mistakes, i am sure(flaming)) most certainly be banned after the first page, if not sooner. i don't think debating with El Brujo is getting me anywhere, i don't like his opinions, as i think how they are, and it's up to him to convince me otherwise if he can't stand the hatred i sometimes have to vent on sites like these(maybe not about him personally, but the things i think he stands for.)
i am sorry for the flaming.i are strongly against ppl who find themselves better in any way-- greater insights in politics or whatever.
If the articles your board's members gonna write are just a little more about politics, rather than "liberals" and "wanabees" than it's gonna be superb, i hope-- 'cause your members have a lot of knowledge on quite many political subjects.
and i am the just somebody who thinks that because of the banning of "liberals" your site is gonna be a stalinist(or nationalist or racist) front, rather then a socialist front, because for a socialist front you need popular public support, you need us(those other che-lives members).
i've read all posts by McBanned and have visited your site more than five times.. i have cooled down, and altough i think i was a little harsh on you
It's quite obvious you have not read any of McBanned's posts because there is no user named McBanned. The only SN's he's had are McFuck and McUnregistered. Now he's using McOpinion.
calling Leftist Spider an idiot, doesn't give me any assurance that you wouldn't call me an idiot if i'd said nicely that your forum is too strict and some members suck, if i would be able under the circumstances, so i did it this way.
I'm trying to figure out what you mean in this part of the post. Are you saying I called Comrade Daniel (Leftist Spider) an idiot because he criticized our board? I have no clue what you're saying, please explain yourself.
and believe me or not, before El Brujo's last posts on the board i gave him(and you) the benefit of the doubt and didn't have reason too get into it or even dislike the board-- if i didn't like the attitute of most members right away(which are indeed on che-lives all portrayed as "stalinists", may it or may it not be the case that they are) i wouldn't have registered to begin with.
Besides El Brujo's "anti-semitism", what do I have to do with anything? I don't really understand what you're saying here.
When you say you disliked the "attitude" of most members, does that mean their political ideology or their literal attitude? How do you judge attitude from a messageboard? I don't have a problem with their attitude.
As for "stalinists": Moloch, Drake Dracoli, Red, etc. are not the "Che-Lives labeled Stalinists".
But i don't like a discussion on your board all that much since i will(by my mistakes, i am sure(flaming)) most certainly be banned after the first page, if not sooner.
You don't like a discussion on my board because flaming is not allowed? Wow that just goes to prove how good of a debater you are. And if you didn't have to create your own idea of what my board policies are, you would have given me time to explain to you. You would not have been banned at once, I have not banned anyone without a reason - and talked over with other members. However, warnings may be given - but none have been sent out yet.
i don't think debating with El Brujo is getting me anywhere, i don't like his opinions, as i think how they are, and it's up to him to convince me otherwise if he can't stand the hatred i sometimes have to vent on sites like these(maybe not about him personally, but the things i think he stands for.)
If you don't like, or disagree rather, El Brujo's opinions you would debate with him - not avoid him. You've never even talked to El Brujo before, how much do you even know about him?
i are strongly against ppl who find themselves better in any way-- greater insights in politics or whatever.
As am I, which is another reason why I created a board for all ideologies.
If the articles your board's members gonna write are just a little more about politics, rather than "liberals" and "wanabees" than it's gonna be superb, i hope-- 'cause your members have a lot of knowledge on quite many political subjects.
Wow, have you even read anything on our board besides the Non-Political[/b] discussion? If you looked into the [i]Serious(Political) Discussion you'd be able to read something.
and i am the just somebody who thinks that because of the banning of "liberals" your site is gonna be a stalinist(or nationalist or racist) front, rather then a socialist front, because for a socialist front you need popular public support, you need us(those other che-lives members).
Alright, now you're just pissing me off.
First of all, I have banned McFuck for his spam. That's one person, now tell me one fucking time that I've banned anyone for being liberal. If you read any-single-one-of-my-fucking-replies you would understand that my board is open to everyone. It even has a racialist on the board. Now stop pulling shit out of your ass, and if you're going to say something get your head out of your ass.
What the hell do you mean by I need you and Che-Lives? Those members on my board are all "refugees" of Che-Lives, check the Che-Lives thread.
(Edited by ComradeJunichi at 8:57 pm on June 2, 2003)
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 20:58
Quote: from Scotty on 3:27 pm on June 2, 2003
But since you've already created the mindset of anti-ISF policies, you might not want to try and enjoy the boards.well, one post got me exceptionally furious about your site, and i am sorry for generalizing your members into a category i think just some deserve to be in.
i find you board very strict and heavely regulated, but, so be it.. i will try to enjoy your site-- i guess it will not work out and i will then leave.
i've seen the development of your board and thought to see it heading a direction, admin-wise, and so forth that i strongly disagreed with, that mixed with the hatred i developed towards some of your board's members(ok, i admit, it's hard to judge someone on a computer screen) that i started this thread-- i think it is quite fair to start it, and i hope that the members on the site have the ability to defend their stance in OI or in this thread or just say "FUCK YOU".
i find you board very strict and heavely regulated, but, so be it.. i will try to enjoy your site-- i guess it will not work out and i will then leave.
It's strict on spam. Tell me in any other way, how is the board strict and heavily regulated?
i've seen the development of your board and thought to see it heading a direction, admin-wise, and so forth that i strongly disagreed with, that mixed with the hatred i developed towards some of your board's members(ok, i admit, it's hard to judge someone on a computer screen) that i started this thread-- i think it is quite fair to start it, and i hope that the members on the site have the ability to defend their stance in OI or in this thread or just say "FUCK YOU".
I have no clue what you're talking about, the boards only been around for a bit. The developement I was talking about was from CYPSK to ISF. How has it developed "admin-wise" since it started, because frankly it's the same.
How about you try defending your arguments against us on the ISF Forums, whether it be political or boardwise.
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 20:58
Quote: from Scotty on 3:53 pm on June 2, 2003
Quote: from CrazyPete on 4:45 pm on June 2, 2003
It is regulated to the point that useless spam is not tolerated. Go read the post in the Assembly (I think that is the forums name) and (i read the first one and got mad:)). You don't have to go if you don't want to. The discussion is usually much more casually serious. People actually respond to everything you say and questions are worked out by not two people but often four or five. It is new, it will come to life.
i am glad something comes alive and i am fascinated by the development of the site, but i hope it doen't turn out to be a monster, so to speak--
i hope the administration becomes more tolerant, whether it's stated in some piece of text or not.
i just wanted to have a say on the subject of your board.. as you have on this board-- just wanted to get it out of my system, and i am glad to tell you it's out.
no more ranting, no more flaming.
i am glad something comes alive and i am fascinated by the development of the site, but i hope it doen't turn out to be a monster, so to speak--
i hope the administration becomes more tolerant, whether it's stated in some piece of text or not.
First of all, you misread what Pete said. He said it will come to life, not it already has.
Stop twisting everything that's being said and making it worse. What the hell do you mean you hope it doesn't become a monster?
The administration becomes more tolerant? You're really fucking pissing me off. If you've talked to any members on either boards, for example Nateddi. You'd know that I went from extreme liberal to open mindedness. You're accusations have been refuted every single time, I've refuted every single one of your posts. More tolerant of what? More tolerant of spam? You're fucking losing it, get your mind straight, jesus christ. The board is open to everyone, which is why there is a racialist(not sure about his political ideology).
(Edited by ComradeJunichi at 8:59 pm on June 2, 2003)
ComradeJunichi
2nd June 2003, 21:00
Quote: from Malte on 4:16 pm on June 2, 2003
Dudes, what a pointless discussion about a forum which hardly has more than 100 threads, and is also so fucking slow that it's nearly unusable.
The board is not slow, it is probably the time you tried to log on or your connection from Germany(?). I have not recieved any complaints from any member on the board about the speed of the board. It is actually quite fast, judging from the package I bought for the domain.
What does the number of the threads have to do with anything? I would say the quality of posts matter more, and to be frank, the quality of posts are great.
Quote: from Scotty on 4:27 pm on June 2, 2003
i understand your "issues" about che-lives-- hope ISF evolves to an even more interesting but more tolerant community or movement, whatever it will accomplish.
If you understood anything, you'd understand the reason so many senior-Che-Livers are on ISF is because of the intolerance on Che-Lives. Don't fucking pull shit out of your ass about tolerance. Actually, I take that back, if you think the ISF Forums should tolerate "Spammers and Spammism", then fine. We are not tolerant against Spammers. But other than that, we are tolerant to everyone.
P.S. Agh, these old Ikonboard things are so hard to use. I had to split my post up because it kept fucking up. Sorry for the multiple posts. But now it's easier for people to read.
Comrade Mathew
2nd June 2003, 21:06
[/quote]
The board is not slow, it is probably the time you tried to log on or your connection from Germany(?). I have not recieved any complaints from any member on the board about the speed of the board. It is actually quite fast, judging from the package I bought for the domain.
i am from germany and it doesnt lag at all.... i know useless comment
I want to apologize for, after reading more posts by him and his reaction to this "debate", if you want, misunderstanding his first mentioned post and my reactionary response.
Out of your replies to either me and Malte, i, for what it's worth, can see you're in no way the ant-jewish moron i thought you were, and again sorry for my reactionary response.
I thought you were banned at che-lives for some reasons i've accusted you of, and, now, am glad you are not.
I think you are an welcome member to both boards, i will try to respect your opinions...
..and i will discuss the pros and cons of Stalinism as well as other things on ISF or che-lives with you in less "cretinous" posts, i am sure.
i see you are not to blame for any sectarianism amongst some Stalinists-- i figured you were one of them and even anti-jewish, and i am sorry for my "lies"(more like flaming) about your board(also directed at Joon).
i, however, personally don't want it to be a breeding ground for anti-revisionism and if i am welcome to debate without getting flamed at, and i am sure we can make it work, i wish you the best of luck with the ISF community.
Sub-Comandante Scotty
Hayduke
4th June 2003, 13:09
I checked the board once more and I think its the last time since its obviously a waste of time.
The name of the board is fantastic and it could be a response to the growing board stormfront, but to be honest I dont think it will.
Since the board is mainly built by stalinist kiddies like Mazdak, who dont contribute a thing to helping builidng up a socialist site , and is more busy with collecting pictures from his favourite dictators then even thinking about taking serious action against capitalism. The board also got some very good members wich I found real nice to have here on the board like Moloch.
But a board with forums like Junichification (All about Junichi) arent really expecting to become a popular board for leftist. Altough some topics are really well built up and a shame it goes to waste by such low visitors, it really isnt that great.
well, fair is fair, calling us "wanabees" is a form of sectarianism
Quote: from D DAY on 2:09 pm on June 4, 2003
But a board with forums like Junichification (All about Junichi) arent really expecting to become a popular board for leftist. Altough some topics are really well built up and a shame it goes to waste by such low visitors, it really isnt that great.
no offence, i was the only posting visitor at your board ;) :cheesy:
ComradeJunichi
4th June 2003, 14:32
Quote: from Scotty on 1:01 pm on June 4, 2003
I want to apologize for, after reading more posts by him and his reaction to this "debate", if you want, misunderstanding his first mentioned post and my reactionary response.
Out of your replies to either me and Malte, i, for what
it's worth, can see you're in no way the ant-jewish moron i thought you were, and again sorry for my reactionary response.
I thought you were banned at che-lives for some reasons i've accusted you of, and, now, am glad you are not.
I think you are an welcome member to both boards, i will try to respect your opinions...
..and i will discuss the pros and cons of Stalinism as well as other things on ISF or che-lives with you in less "cretinous" posts, i am sure.
i see you are not to blame for any sectarianism amongst some Stalinists-- i figured you were one of them and even anti-jewish, and i am sorry for my "lies"(more like flaming) about your board(also directed at Joon).
i, however, personally don't want it to be a breeding ground for anti-revisionism and if i am welcome to debate without getting flamed at, and i am sure we can make it work, i wish you the best of luck with the ISF community.
Sub-Comandante Scotty
So I don't get a response to any of my responses? Or does that mean I'm right? Because I spent my time to refute every single one of the your claims. Next time, I hope you are "sensible" enough to calm yourself, and think everything over - instead of wasting our time.
i, however, personally don't want it to be a breeding ground for anti-revisionism
It's not a breeding ground for anything, after all my posts you still can't get it through your skull. It's an open board to all ideologies, and it's not a enclosed area for anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninists.
and if i am welcome to debate without getting flamed at, and i am sure we can make it work
Why do you even bother saying that? Is it to infuriate me even more? When has there ever been anything close flaming on the board, Jesus Christ. You're one of those people who take every little hint of 'bad' and make it into the worst thing on the planet. And this hint of bad was manifested in your head, and all this is absolute nonsense. Stop pulling shit out of your ass again, and read my fucking posts. Don't indirectly piss me off.
There have never been any flames for ideologies. There are Trotskyists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, liberal socialists, racialists, etc. I would appreciate it if you took the time to read my posts and try to understand them, like I have taken my time to read and respond to your posts.
i wish you the best of luck with the ISF community.
Thanks.
ComradeJunichi
4th June 2003, 14:42
Quote: from D DAY on 1:09 pm on June 4, 2003
I checked the board once more and I think its the last time since its obviously a waste of time.
The name of the board is fantastic and it could be a response to the growing board stormfront, but to be honest I dont think it will.
Since the board is mainly built by stalinist kiddies like Mazdak, who dont contribute a thing to helping builidng up a socialist site , and is more busy with collecting pictures from his favourite dictators then even thinking about taking serious action against capitalism. The board also got some very good members wich I found real nice to have here on the board like Moloch.
But a board with forums like Junichification (All about Junichi) arent really expecting to become a popular board for leftist. Altough some topics are really well built up and a shame it goes to waste by such low visitors, it really isnt that great.
I checked the board once more and I think its the last time since its obviously a waste of time.
How is it a waste of time?
The name of the board is fantastic and it could be a response to the growing board stormfront, but to be honest I dont think it will.
The title of the board has nothing to do with Storm Front, nor was it a 'retaliation' to it.
Since the board is mainly built by stalinist kiddies like Mazdak, who dont contribute a thing to helping builidng up a socialist site , and is more busy with collecting pictures from his favourite dictators then even thinking about taking serious action against capitalism.
The board was not built by Mazdak or "stalinist kiddies, again your continuation of generalizing. And how you claim "stalinists" are sectarian, hmm, what's going on? How much do you even know about Mazdak? Actually, Mazdak is busy studying for college to take "action". I think too many of the "liberal kiddies" are busy thinking about action to even try studying for the theory which is the foundation where the action is placed upon.
The site was actually built by me, and with the support of others including a capitalist.
But a board with forums like Junichification (All about Junichi) arent really expecting to become a popular board for leftist.
That forum, there is only one like that - don't try to make it sound like there are other useless forums, was created so visitors can respond to my rants and essays on my site which I will put up. I thought it would be useful for criticisms and disagreement from visitors.
There's one forum like that, don't generalize the forum like that. Almost every single forum is a good one, and every single one of them is spam free.
Altough some topics are really well built up and a shame it goes to waste by such low visitors, it really isnt that great.
What do you mean "low visitors", you mean "stalinists" or a low amount of visitors.
Jesus Christ, what do you expect the board to be? A gathering of every single politicized human being on the planet? It's been up two months, christ.
sorry, Joon.
i will soon reply to everything you said individualy, if that's what you want,
and i am sure D DAY will do the same.
i guess you've really became more open-minded if you took all that time to respond to my "lies", trying to understand my claims and flamings.
i am not sure about it, tho.
Sub-Comandante Scotty
(Edited by Scotty at 4:24 pm on June 4, 2003)
Hayduke
4th June 2003, 18:24
" How is it a waste of time? "
Maoist, Stalinist are obviously filling the board with there politcal ideas, and to be quite honest I always have got the feeling that they try to get a way out, to make there theory sound good.
The arguments are mostly pointless and far from the truth. Its digging up small unreliable articles and use it as if it's the ultimate proof that there theory is working.
Stalinist's are just not realistisc in my opion and therefore not worth my time.
The board was not built by Mazdak or "stalinist kiddies, again your continuation of generalizing. And how you claim "stalinists" are sectarian, hmm, what's going on? How much do you even know about Mazdak? Actually, Mazdak is busy studying for college to take "action". I think too many of the "liberal kiddies" are busy thinking about action to even try studying for the theory which is the foundation where the action is placed upon.
Well well he's studying to take " action ", first time I ever heard of someone needing college to take action. It's always nice to see that if people are talking about taking political action, they go to college. Try to built something up with direct action and not just words. And if you never experience the real hard work of direct action, the problems of your local people, then college will do you know good. yes you might now every theory from top to bottem, but its not helping the people you fight for !
That forum, there is only one like that - don't try to make it sound like there are other useless forums, was created so visitors can respond to my rants and essays on my site which I will put up. I thought it would be useful for criticisms and disagreement from visitors.
There's one forum like that, don't generalize the forum like that. Almost every single forum is a good one, and every single one of them is spam free.
So the forum Graphics, with topics like Matrix screensaver is supposed to be a good forum. The countless forums, with
basically the same purpose of talking about politics are supposed to have a real purpose ?
What do you mean "low visitors", you mean "stalinists" or a low amount of visitors.
Jesus Christ, what do you expect the board to be? A gathering of every single politicized human being on the planet? It's been up two months, christ
it wont get built up Joon , not with the members that are currently on your board.
ComradeJunichi
4th June 2003, 20:11
Quote: from Scotty on 3:22 pm on June 4, 2003
sorry, Joon.
i will soon reply to everything you said individualy, if that's what you want,
and i am sure D DAY will do the same.
i guess you've really became more open-minded if you took all that time to respond to my "lies", trying to understand my claims and flamings.
i am not sure about it, tho.
Sub-Comandante Scotty
(Edited by Scotty at 4:24 pm on June 4, 2003)
No I asked that you would bother taking the time to read my posts, then the same points wouldn't be brought up over and over.
ComradeJunichi
4th June 2003, 20:20
Quote: from D DAY on 6:24 pm on June 4, 2003
" How is it a waste of time? "
Maoist, Stalinist are obviously filling the board with there politcal ideas, and to be quite honest I always have got the feeling that they try to get a way out, to make there theory sound good.
The arguments are mostly pointless and far from the truth. Its digging up small unreliable articles and use it as if it's the ultimate proof that there theory is working.
Stalinist's are just not realistisc in my opion and therefore not worth my time.
The board was not built by Mazdak or "stalinist kiddies, again your continuation of generalizing. And how you claim "stalinists" are sectarian, hmm, what's going on? How much do you even know about Mazdak? Actually, Mazdak is busy studying for college to take "action". I think too many of the "liberal kiddies" are busy thinking about action to even try studying for the theory which is the foundation where the action is placed upon.
Well well he's studying to take " action ", first time I ever heard of someone needing college to take action. It's always nice to see that if people are talking about taking political action, they go to college. Try to built something up with direct action and not just words. And if you never experience the real hard work of direct action, the problems of your local people, then college will do you know good. yes you might now every theory from top to bottem, but its not helping the people you fight for !
That forum, there is only one like that - don't try to make it sound like there are other useless forums, was created so visitors can respond to my rants and essays on my site which I will put up. I thought it would be useful for criticisms and disagreement from visitors.
There's one forum like that, don't generalize the forum like that. Almost every single forum is a good one, and every single one of them is spam free.
So the forum Graphics, with topics like Matrix screensaver is supposed to be a good forum. The countless forums, with
basically the same purpose of talking about politics are supposed to have a real purpose ?
What do you mean "low visitors", you mean "stalinists" or a low amount of visitors.
Jesus Christ, what do you expect the board to be? A gathering of every single politicized human being on the planet? It's been up two months, christ
it wont get built up Joon , not with the members that are currently on your board.
Maoist, Stalinist are obviously filling the board with there politcal ideas, and to be quite honest I always have got the feeling that they try to get a way out, to make there theory sound good.
The arguments are mostly pointless and far from the truth. Its digging up small unreliable articles and use it as if it's the ultimate proof that there theory is working.
Stalinist's are just not realistisc in my opion and therefore not worth my time.
I don't know how to prove that right or wrong, but yes there are many socialists who people consider stalinists and maoists on the board. There are also liberal socialists like Prometheus (Irish Guevara), Pablo Escobar (Pastradamus), Drake Dracoli, etc.
"Authoritarian" Socialists are building up, and none of the liberal ones want to join my board. How am I supposed to help that? I never asked for an authoritarians only board, hell you can send over as many cappies as you want.
You're talking about my board, but you don't realize that there are other ideologies. But forgetting that, there are good topics on the board. Have you read any?
Well well he's studying to take " action ", first time I ever heard of someone needing college to take action. It's always nice to see that if people are talking about taking political action, they go to college. Try to built something up with direct action and not just words. And if you never experience the real hard work of direct action, the problems of your local people, then college will do you know good. yes you might now every theory from top to bottem, but its not helping the people you fight for !
"Yeah, let's pick up some flyers and post them and march in anti-war protests!!! Long live socialism! Hey, what's dictatorship of the proletariat?"
Building of the mind and being an intellectual is very important and in fact helps the movement. A movement full of angered 'guerrillas' on the streets isn't doing anything. Theory is taken up by both mental and physical movement. I never said action is stupid. There are intellectuals and there are 'guerrillas', and there are both. Different paths can be taken. Marching in an anti-war rally doesn't make you a 'good' socialist.
So the forum Graphics, with topics like Matrix screensaver is supposed to be a good forum. The countless forums, with
basically the same purpose of talking about politics are supposed to have a real purpose ?
Have you bothered looking in the Serious Discussion section instead of hanging around in the Non-Political Discussion?
it wont get built up Joon , not with the members that are currently on your board.
Right, you say that because? What? Should I throw in a bunch of teenage rebels, will that bring us more members? I'm not looking for a huge site like Che-Lives, both have pros and cons. I'm looking for good discussions and debates and a good website we're working on.
I can't say you're wrong though, it may or may not build. I guess time will prove that one.
El Brujo
4th June 2003, 20:38
Quote: from Scotty on 9:01 pm on June 4, 2003
I want to apologize for, after reading more posts by him and his reaction to this "debate", if you want, misunderstanding his first mentioned post and my reactionary response.
Out of your replies to either me and Malte, i, for what it's worth, can see you're in no way the ant-jewish moron i thought you were, and again sorry for my reactionary response.
I thought you were banned at che-lives for some reasons i've accusted you of, and, now, am glad you are not.
I think you are an welcome member to both boards, i will try to respect your opinions...
..and i will discuss the pros and cons of Stalinism as well as other things on ISF or che-lives with you in less "cretinous" posts, i am sure.
i see you are not to blame for any sectarianism amongst some Stalinists-- i figured you were one of them and even anti-jewish, and i am sorry for my "lies"(more like flaming) about your board(also directed at Joon).
i, however, personally don't want it to be a breeding ground for anti-revisionism and if i am welcome to debate without getting flamed at, and i am sure we can make it work, i wish you the best of luck with the ISF community.
Sub-Comandante Scotty
lol. Ok, If you have nothing else to add, that pretty much settles the score (with me anyhow), but I would appreciate it if you responded to my post/s in an objective fashion.
One thing though:
i, however, personally don't want it to be a breeding ground for anti-revisionism and if i am welcome to debate without getting flamed at,
Please explain what one thing has anything to do with the other. If we were to "flame" you, we would not prove to be good debater's and this would definitely not become a "breeding ground for anti-revisionism". Nobody is allowed to flame on ISF so what point are you trying to make?
Maoist, Stalinist are obviously filling the board with there politcal ideas, and to be quite honest I always have got the feeling that they try to get a way out, to make there theory sound good.
The arguments are mostly pointless and far from the truth. Its digging up small unreliable articles and use it as if it's the ultimate proof that there theory is working.
Stalinist's are just not realistisc in my opion and therefore not worth my time.
"Liberals, revisionists and anarchists are obviously filling this board with there politcal ideas, and to be quite honest I always have got the feeling that they try to get a way out, to make there theory sound good.
The arguments are mostly pointless and far from the truth. Its digging up small unreliable articles and use it as if it's the ultimate proof that there theory is working.
Liberals are just not realistic in my opinion and therefore not worth my time"
Sound fair?
"Stalinist's are just not realistisc in my opion and therefore not worth my time."
Another thing to add about this. Do you consider anarchists and trotskyists to be "realistic". Can you point out historical accomplishments by them that admirers of Stalin or Mao have not (especially anarchists)? Im not going into what theories are more successful and why as the other boards are for this purpose, but just because you don't like a particular ideology dosen't mean you could make shit up about it and its followers and dissmiss them as "irrelevant" without looking at them objectively.
""Well well he's studying to take " action ", first time I ever heard of someone needing college to take action. It's always nice to see that if people are talking about taking political action, they go to college. Try to built something up with direct action and not just words. And if you never experience the real hard work of direct action, the problems of your local people, then college will do you know good. yes you might now every theory from top to bottem, but its not helping the people you fight for !"
It most certainly is. An education is necessary to build strong scientific ideological foundations to a movement. How can you get anywhere if you don't even know what you're fighting for or how to fight for it? If you can, please name one revolutionary leader that has not been highly educated. It is impossible because a movement consisting of no educated people will fail miserably.
Getting an education is not "helping the people we're fighting for" NOW, but it will make a much more significant contribution in the future. And as for "solving the problems of your local people", you do realize most people here live in first world countries, right? My last post in the "Che-lives.com" thread in ISF will be of interest to you.
"So the forum Graphics, with topics like Matrix screensaver is supposed to be a good forum. The countless forums, with
basically the same purpose of talking about politics are supposed to have a real purpose ?"
Not quite sure what you're inferring. If it is that you are generalizing ISF as an "irrelevant" forum simply because there is non-political discussion going on, the same could be done with this board because of Chit Chat and the Lounge.
Hayduke
4th June 2003, 21:25
"Yeah, let's pick up some flyers and post them and march in anti-war protests!!! Long live socialism! Hey, what's dictatorship of the proletariat?"
Building of the mind and being an intellectual is very important and in fact helps the movement. A movement full of angered 'guerrillas' on the streets isn't doing anything. Theory is taken up by both mental and physical movement. I never said action is stupid. There are intellectuals and there are 'guerrillas', and there are both. Different paths can be taken. Marching in an anti-war rally doesn't make you a 'good' socialist.
Joon if you can't think of anything more then just handing out flyer and going to anti war marches, then your right you will be needing some college to prepare yourself.
You truly dont understand it dont you Joon ?
I suggest you coming back, after spending some time in the world outside your little stalinist forum, and spending some time thinking about action that could actually help the people near you .
And since you are in America, where the work lies infront of your face, and your not planning on leaving ( Still keep wondering why I even sended your father that letter in the first place ) go out and do something to actually help the people.
Like a real leftist should.
Hayduke
4th June 2003, 21:40
This is for all them members of the " socialist front forum "
I dont want to waste my time on your board, or even discuss about it with El Brujo or Joon. I wish you the best with building up a forum and talking about taking college to take action, argument about how great the north korean gonverment is and viewing your new stalin avtars and matrix screen savers.
You are truly one hell of a value to the cause.
Morons.
I thank you for your sarcasm and caring D-Day. Gee isn't it just wonderful how you ignored El Broju's post that showed that you where wrong?
Anyways I don't care for this arguement. Both forums have their advantadges. Each is little more than a place to get an education, and we are the educators.
But in this thread all I see is secratarianism. It makes me sick. D-Day you are one of the worst offenders of this. It's horrible. I'm sorry but I would rather throw up now. Look at the Authoritarian Marxist thread. It builds up the divisions and then takes them down. That, if anything, is a beacon of what the ISF is.
But I don't want an arguement either. The sects that are being established, and enforced here at Che-Lives, are more destructive to our cause than any one website.
The level of converstaion is on average much higher at the ISF, and the shit that fills most places here is not there. People actually think about their posts before they make them. Sort of like a baby Red-Green Left. It is a wonder I don't see anyone who has participated in this thread there other than myself. This is an excellant example why you have yet to recieve your invites.
All of you.
the SovieT
5th June 2003, 00:30
Okay D-DAY your getting on my nerves...
First of all, ISF isnt a "stalinist" board not does everybody suport the current DPRK goverment, in fact oi only know one guy that does so wich is Chairman Mao...
as for the Stalinist, not all of usreally endorse nor agree with Stalin tactics..
i for instances dont...
then as for the waste of time i dont fucking understand what you mean..
i myself am a active militant of JCP and in no way have my activitys on the party been interfeered by ISF...
then again i come to a conclusion, i see that the only reason that the majority of ISF is eotehr marxist-leninist or even stalinist is because certain libertarian individuals CONSTANTLY REFUSE TO JOIN!
and as for you you can fuck yourself..
you insult us for being authoritarian and stalinist and yet you are a fucking capitalist..
you have even admited that you believe in a free market and other stuff..
SO I AM NOT TAKING ANY MORE INSULTS OR NON-CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM FROM A PERSON THAT WANTS TO CONTINUE WITH MAN TO MAN EXPLOITATION!
as for the rest of you i have a clear message..
if you want to debate without spam, and even have a litle spam, in certain posts to increase some comradership betweenb us come here..
if not you can go fuck yourself and leave us alone...
El Brujo
5th June 2003, 01:27
Quote: from D DAY on 5:40 am on June 5, 2003
This is for all them members of the " socialist front forum "
I dont want to waste my time on your board, or even discuss about it with El Brujo or Joon. I wish you the best with building up a forum and talking about taking college to take action, argument about how great the north korean gonverment is and viewing your new stalin avtars and matrix screen savers.
You are truly one hell of a value to the cause.
Morons.
"I dont want to waste my time on your board, or even discuss about it with El Brujo or Joon."
I wonder why...
"I wish you the best with building up a forum and talking about taking college to take action, argument about how great the north korean gonverment is and viewing your new stalin avtars and matrix screen savers."
All of which are points I refuted in my last post, which you have yet to respond to. Oh, my bad, you now don't want to discuss it with me or Joon (even though you joined this conversation out of your own free will).
"You are truly one hell of a value to the cause.
Morons."
lol, then we are the "dogmatic" Marxists.
Well preach on, brother. Im sure marching in the streets with candles and singing "koombaya my lord" to acoustic guitars will do wonders for socialism.
to think I used to fucking respect you.
Hayduke
5th June 2003, 05:59
Quote: from CrazyPete on 2:47 am on June 5, 2003
This is an excellant example why you have yet to recieve your invites.
All of you.
Quite strange tough, that I already received my invitation over by PM, cause they need " good quality members " like me.
Hayduke
5th June 2003, 06:01
Quote: from El Brujo on 6:27 am on June 5, 2003
[quote]Quote: from D DAY on 5:40 am on June 5, 2003
to think I used to fucking respect you.
Same goes for you.
Quote: from D DAY on 6:59 am on June 5, 2003
Quote: from CrazyPete on 2:47 am on June 5, 2003
This is an excellant example why you have yet to recieve your invites.
All of you.
Quite strange tough, that I already received my invitation over by PM, cause they need " good quality members " like me.
i thought i was invited to join active debates by Joon-- i am already a member.
El Brujo
5th June 2003, 08:14
Quote: from D DAY on 1:59 pm on June 5, 2003
Quote: from CrazyPete on 2:47 am on June 5, 2003
This is an excellant example why you have yet to recieve your invites.
All of you.
Quite strange tough, that I already received my invitation over by PM, cause they need " good quality members " like me.
lol. Now this is becoming a self-glorifying argument about who is a "better poster."
What we're looking for is people of varying ideologies willing to hold intelligent and respectful debate free of flaming and involvement of personal/emotional disputes. Obviously, its not for everyone. Anyone who fits that criteria is encouraged to join and anyone who isn't is not welcome. Its as simple as that.
the SovieT
5th June 2003, 08:18
ok as usual i will say it:
FUCK YOU
see this psot woud have been erased in ISF because its pure spam..
yet here it is even encouraged...
get this D-DAY, you want to enter, then good go there, you dont want then piss off and shut the hell up...
we do not need criticism from egocentric socialists..
ComradeJunichi
5th June 2003, 15:08
Quote: from D DAY on 9:25 pm on June 4, 2003
"Yeah, let's pick up some flyers and post them and march in anti-war protests!!! Long live socialism! Hey, what's dictatorship of the proletariat?"
Building of the mind and being an intellectual is very important and in fact helps the movement. A movement full of angered 'guerrillas' on the streets isn't doing anything. Theory is taken up by both mental and physical movement. I never said action is stupid. There are intellectuals and there are 'guerrillas', and there are both. Different paths can be taken. Marching in an anti-war rally doesn't make you a 'good' socialist.
Joon if you can't think of anything more then just handing out flyer and going to anti war marches, then your right you will be needing some college to prepare yourself.
You truly dont understand it dont you Joon ?
I suggest you coming back, after spending some time in the world outside your little stalinist forum, and spending some time thinking about action that could actually help the people near you .
And since you are in America, where the work lies infront of your face, and your not planning on leaving ( Still keep wondering why I even sended your father that letter in the first place ) go out and do something to actually help the people.
Like a real leftist should.
Joon if you can't think of anything more then just handing out flyer and going to anti war marches, then your right you will be needing some college to prepare yourself.
Oh, right. I forgot about starting a revolution local. "Take it to the streets, comrades!"
You truly dont understand it dont you Joon ?
You truly don't understand it, don't you Bas? My point is education is needed to even touch action and at my age, fifteen, I'd rather study than go out and do whatnot when my own mind isn't even politicized yet - to a certain extent I think it should be. If you mean going out to the 'ghettos' and having barbeques, working at orphanages, and raising money for "Build a Home"(Habitat for humanity), sending money for Greenhouses and socks for people in North Korea. Then, yes I have done some of those. Those things are not needed with a set ideology, as I support the working class and I would like to help those who are less fortunate than I am I enjoy helping.
Is that what you meant by action? Because I have done those things. Am I a true revolutionary now?
I suggest you coming back, after spending some time in the world outside your little stalinist forum, and spending some time thinking about action that could actually help the people near you .
First of all, "you ultra-liberal fake commie scum", my board is not stalinist - if you bothered reading my posts or checking the board out, objectively. HoChiMinh(board poster from CYPSK, a friend of a friend who's also socialist. Oh by the way, he's a liberal socialist. Oh no!) and I are going to work for the Red Cross down in Bronx. Also joining a library, and volunteer working for the Revolution Bookstore in Manhatten (some of you might know). Is that what makes me a revolutionary?
And since you are in America, where the work lies infront of your face, and your not planning on leaving ( Still keep wondering why I even sended your father that letter in the first place ) go out and do something to actually help the people.
The reason you sent the letter to my father was because I was a comrade in need of help. Sure, I might have gone overboard but I thought of it as a bond (if that doesn't sound too gay). Besides you Bas, because I've never talked to you before - those comrades and I have become really close friends, e.g., Drake Dracoli.
"Help the people", what makes you assume I don't? But putting aside assumptions, you're right. I have not gone out to create a second Amnesty International, I did not buy food to feed the millions hungry. Sometimes, it's a bit more difficult than you think. And I've mentioned my plans, and besides that I'd like to continue studying all ideologies and philosophies and history to build my own intellectuality (is that even a word? lol).
Like a real leftist should.
Now tell me how many leftists are there on this board?
ComradeJunichi
5th June 2003, 15:15
Quote: from D DAY on 9:40 pm on June 4, 2003
This is for all them members of the " socialist front forum "
I dont want to waste my time on your board, or even discuss about it with El Brujo or Joon. I wish you the best with building up a forum and talking about taking college to take action, argument about how great the north korean gonverment is and viewing your new stalin avtars and matrix screen savers.
You are truly one hell of a value to the cause.
Morons.
Your irrelevant sarcasm makes you the moron.
This is for all those ultra-liberals on Che-Lives: I hope you continue doing well on your forum by caging other ideologies that oppose you. When you don't cage them gang up on them and ruin discussion and debate.
I dont want to waste my time on your board, or even discuss about it with El Brujo or Joon. I wish you the best with building up a forum and talking about taking college to take action, argument about how great the north korean gonverment is and viewing your new stalin avtars and matrix screen savers.
It's taking education to build thought to take action. I don't know about you, but maybe you disagree. I hope you enjoy taking action and then building ideology, however that works.
Haha, isn't it funny how you people take one small spec of a problem and exagerate it in to the apocalypse? Yeah, someone posted a thread on a link to get a Matrix screensaver- which was in the non-political discussion. Is that so bad? Tell me, have you even decided to go near the Political Discussions? Seems like all you do is grasp the non-political posts of the board. Hell, even in the Lounge there are political debates.
If you even bothered reading some posts you'd understand we objectively took a look at the Pro's and Con's of the DPRK. We did not praise the DPRK government, we've understood there are both good and bad things. Some members took in that information, and some members thought most of it was bullshit. I suggest you read something, instead of just looking a title of a thread and claiming we "stalinists" (which is offensive to the members who are not) praise the DPRK.
You are truly one hell of a value to the cause.
Oh yes, Che-Lives. You guys are the catalyst of the socialist movement. I've talked this over with many members who are still on Che-Lives, but you guys seem to think you are the movement. Shut your egocentric crap and let what is - be.
ComradeJunichi
5th June 2003, 15:20
Quote: from D DAY on 5:59 am on June 5, 2003
Quite strange tough, that I already received my invitation over by PM, cause they need " good quality members " like me.
Quote: from Scotty on 7:34 am on June 5, 2003
i thought i was invited to join active debates by Joon-- i am already a member.
Wait...wait a second. What happened to the excluded "only socialist front (not international)" forum where I only let stalinists in and ban all the liberals?
This proves that I am in seach of both top/bottom, left/right ideologies.
And again, several members of Che-Lives and I talked this over. We used to respect you DDAY. We thought you would be a good quality member because you helped Che-Lives a lot. You used to help me find more information on Che, so I thought you could help the community over there too. But obviously, we're just a bunch of stalinists, right? We're just a disease to the movement, huh?
As for you Scotty, I don't think I ever invited you. Judging from the members I decided to invite first (when the board was created), I wouldn't have wanted to invite you.
I was speaking of another forum. Where things like this do not happen. Because people are able to discuss instead of argue. Tolerance over name calling.
We label our selves. I am "Philosopher-Communist" redstar is "Stubborn Communist" another member, the only other active member it seems, is an anarchist-activist. We do not let that get in the way of discussing, since it is believe that all sides are required to create a whole, not leaving some out to get a hole.
Sensitive
5th June 2003, 19:20
I've read a few of the posts there, the only problem to me is that you allow capitalists and other right-wingers to post. Ideally the bourgeoisie and their fascist defenders would be shot, but since it is just a message board banning them seems the most practical to me. Just a suggestion...
one of the cappies is even an adminstrator
ComradeJunichi
5th June 2003, 20:07
Whatever happened to the closed-minded-stalinist-only-forum-police-state-ISF?
They opened their eyes.....
Vladimir
5th June 2003, 20:47
There are no cappies there...yet. I suppose you could put Anarch in their economically but he is a strange creature......lol
Prometheus/IrishGuevara
El Brujo
5th June 2003, 20:58
Anarch is an "Aristocratic National Anarchist" (whatever that is supposed to mean). The only capitalist that discussed important issues was "Someonelikeyou" but he seems to have left.
Hayduke
5th June 2003, 21:03
" And again, several members of Che-Lives and I talked this over. We used to respect you DDAY. We thought you would be a good quality member because you helped Che-Lives a lot. You used to help me find more information on Che, so I thought you could help the community over there too. But obviously, we're just a bunch of stalinists, right? We're just a disease to the movement, huh? "
Well Joon, you only asked me to become a member of your forum but im not really interested in the dicussions you are having. Stalinist regimes are not work discussion since they go against everything I stand for.
Yes if you asked me I would have probaly helped you guys with setting up a site, no problem. But since im not worthy in your eyes no more, you can forget about any help coming from me.
And Joon instead of constantly putting che lives as if its a capitalist chit chat forum, would you please not forget that when you came here for the first time you were unknown to many socialist ideas.
MEXCAN
5th June 2003, 21:10
DELETE THIS THREAD !!!!!
Quote: from MEXCAN on 10:10 pm on June 5, 2003
DELETE THIS THREAD !!!!!why??
I have had the urge to do so for a while but I am fighting it I swear I am !!
MEXCAN
5th June 2003, 21:38
Quote: from Scotty on 9:23 pm on June 5, 2003
Quote: from MEXCAN on 10:10 pm on June 5, 2003
DELETE THIS THREAD !!!!!why??
I'm really trying to understand why you started this TOPIC??And please,don't answer!!!!!This topic should be in chit-chat ,maybe ??But for the love of god stop arguing and get this out of WEBSITES!!!!I really find that posts like this(spamming,nagging)are detoriating this forum.
by the way,anti-semi is not the same thing as anti-zionism!!!
by the way,anti-semi is not the same thing as anti-zionism!!!i know-- it's not, while sometimes antizionist is being misused in reference to all jews. Not in this case-- i was being an ass, sorry.
btw, Pete, I like you article about the israel-palestinian conflict, really, i did. haven't read more articles from the site, but i am intended to do so, soon.
ComradeJunichi
6th June 2003, 14:37
Quote: from D DAY on 9:03 pm on June 5, 2003
" And again, several members of Che-Lives and I talked this over. We used to respect you DDAY. We thought you would be a good quality member because you helped Che-Lives a lot. You used to help me find more information on Che, so I thought you could help the community over there too. But obviously, we're just a bunch of stalinists, right? We're just a disease to the movement, huh? "
Well Joon, you only asked me to become a member of your forum but im not really interested in the dicussions you are having. Stalinist regimes are not work discussion since they go against everything I stand for.
Yes if you asked me I would have probaly helped you guys with setting up a site, no problem. But since im not worthy in your eyes no more, you can forget about any help coming from me.
And Joon instead of constantly putting che lives as if its a capitalist chit chat forum, would you please not forget that when you came here for the first time you were unknown to many socialist ideas.
Well Joon, you only asked me to become a member of your forum but im not really interested in the dicussions you are having. Stalinist regimes are not work discussion since they go against everything I stand for.
Pro's and Con's of the DPRK(Objective criticism): http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....ct=ST&f=13&t=77 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=13&t=77)
Thread by Anarch, which helps destroy your arguments on the "Sectarian ISF": http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....act=ST&f=4&t=78 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=78)
Thread by a liberal marxist and a debate/discussion on auths and libs: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....act=ST&f=4&t=46 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=46)
Another liberal socialists opinion on one party states: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....act=ST&f=4&t=26 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=26)
Thread by Drake Dracoli on a quote by Lenin in the State and Revolution on the abolition of the state: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....act=ST&f=4&t=59 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=59)
Since Malte brought up the whole Political Compass thing and how it's really accurate - you can see we have lots of liberals - a post by Prometheus/Irish Guevara: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....act=ST&f=4&t=19 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=19)
Another political test to show the varying ideologies, a thread by Nateddi: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....act=ST&f=4&t=43 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=43)
A thread by the great philosopher, Pete :P This has nothing to do with "stalinist states": http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....t=ST&f=14&t=155 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=14&t=155)
Another thread by Pete: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....t=ST&f=14&t=137 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=14&t=137)
A thread by Drake Dracoli on the Bible: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....t=ST&f=10&t=126 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=10&t=126)
A thread by me in the forum "ISF Assembly" asking what the other members thought about my 'authoritarianism' on board policies: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....t=ST&f=11&t=139 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=139)
Another thread by me in the ISF Assembly forum on my plans for stopping spam, and then asking what the members had to say and contribute: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....t=ST&f=11&t=118 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=118)
Another thread by me in the ISF Assembly directing to Norse Heathen the other capitalist admin, who has been messing around and banning people: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....t=ST&f=11&t=134 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=134)
And now the infamous Che-Lives thread in ISF on the criticisms of Che-Lives: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index....ct=ST&f=2&t=116 (http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=116)
Yes if you asked me I would have probaly helped you guys with setting up a site, no problem. But since im not worthy in your eyes no more, you can forget about any help coming from me.
You're sounding like a little baby, don't pull that shit. You've created yourself to become "unworthy" in many of our eyes. If you don't want to help, I am perfectly fine with it. Not offended at all, as I can try to understand your position. However, whenever you want to it would be greatly appreciated by the community.
And Joon instead of constantly putting che lives as if its a capitalist chit chat forum, would you please not forget that when you came here for the first time you were unknown to many socialist ideas.
Have I ever denied that? This is something I am proud of because it has led to people respecting my open-mindedness. When I came here I came here open minded, wondering about politics. I always asked for information, not opinions.
Now, within the months I have been here I think I have learned a lot. And more important than that I met my love life on Che-Lives which I gave thanks to Malte yesterday ;)
Also, when have I ever said anything about Che-Lives being a capitalist chitchat forum. I said Che-Lives has more liberals, and it supports liberals. I also said is a lot of spam goin on, which Malte said himself. He asked me to help him out on Che-Lives, which I am gladly willing to do.
Thank you for not deleting my Comrade Junichi Thread while you and Malte were drunk. Actually, thank Malte. Which I did :)
Hayduke
6th June 2003, 15:28
I just might do that Joon.
Edelweiss
6th June 2003, 15:44
Quote: from D DAY on 3:28 pm on June 6, 2003
I just might do that Joon.
I could still do it aswell ;) 'Cause Joon, I still hate that thread just like D DAY!
Quote: from Scotty on 5:24 pm on June 5, 2003
by the way,anti-semi is not the same thing as anti-zionism!!!i know-- it's not, while sometimes antizionist is being misused in reference to all jews. Not in this case-- i was being an ass, sorry.
btw, Pete, I like you article about the israel-palestinian conflict, really, i did. haven't read more articles from the site, but i am intended to do so, soon.
The only other article as of now is one by me on Ender's Game.
ComradeJunichi
6th June 2003, 20:03
Quote: from D DAY on 3:28 pm on June 6, 2003
I just might do that Joon.
Quote: from Malte on 3:44 pm on June 6, 2003
Quote: from D DAY on 3:28 pm on June 6, 2003
I just might do that Joon.
I could still do it aswell ;) 'Cause Joon, I still hate that thread just like D DAY!
Wow, next time I won't even mention anything else. How about an actual response to my post?
Hayduke
7th June 2003, 09:26
Junichi, you and Malte both misunderstood my post, I meant that I just might help building up your site Junichi.
But not for now.
And the topics, yeh I read them. So ? Im not impressed to be honest.
Cassius Clay
7th June 2003, 14:37
''Stalinist regimes are not work discussion since they go against everything I stand for.''
Ignoring the fact that the man in your avator was a 'Stalinist'. D-Day do you actually know what 'Stalinist regimes' stand for? Have you read any of Stalin's works or any of his supporters? On the DPRK, you ignore the fact that many 'Stalinists' actually despise the DPRK. Perhaps people are calling you a 'Capitalist' because you want multi party elections in Cuba. Do you understand how socialist democracy works and how it was put into practice? Have you even bothered to find out?
Cassius Clay
7th June 2003, 14:41
Okay ignore the above I'm really not sure whats going on. Anyway as I said in the thread over at ISF. 'What's all the fuss about?'
ComradeJunichi
7th June 2003, 15:41
@D Day: I'm sorry, Bas. I misread your post, but my misunderstanding was built up by Malte's misunderstanding post.
If you want to help out, you're always welcome to do so. :)
@Cassius Clay: Someone misread a post on the ISF and then based off of that flamed and brought up flase claims against the ISF, and I've spent the last several pages and other threads clearing this up.
Vinny Rafarino
9th July 2003, 16:39
This is completely absurd.
Lets cool out jets a wee bit and really examine what it is we are arguing about. The fact of matter lies witht he fact the majority of ALL message boards are just a bunch of kids that are not old enough to hit the pubs.
Here we get a very liberal view of socialism from a bunch of kids. At ISF we get a more athoritarian viwew of socialism from a bunch of kids.
As a 20 year member of the communist party there is one thing I can assure us all. If we continue to bicker about each other's inner policies we are fucked.
Scotty, the fact you even bothered to create this thread shows how completely immatureyou are. We're you attempting to tattle on ISF? Well I betcha ISF's daddy can beat up che-lives' daddy so there.
D Day i don't really know you but I would like to know about your personal policies and why you consider Stalin's ideals against everything you stand for. Do you feel the same about Comrade Lenin's policies?
Just for the record mate, I worked with two old Mexican communists down in Mexicao City a few years back that knew Comrade Guevara. His ruthlessness towards subversionists and counter-revolutionaries is legendary down there.
I know you guys don't agree with Urban guerilla warfare and consider the practise to be holding back the movement however I don't see many of the liberal left doing much of anything besides ***** about us militants. I agree with Malte (from one of out ISF conversations) that urban guerilla warfare is not effective right now. Notice we have not really been doing anything on a large scale for quite some time. However I've been waiting for several years for the air the get right and the time is coming. The facts are, we are not going to change our ways and you are not going to change yours. Perhaps we should learn to work side by side again. We did it quite well in the eightees.
ISF's admin summed it up quite nicely:
Someone misread a post on the ISF and then based off of that flamed and brought up flase claims against the ISF, and I've spent the last several pages and other threads clearing this up.
So Comrade RAF, STFU, and we might close this thread.
I was furious, i apologised about it-- i don't like a board with racists, but as you said I can't do anything about it, I could only vent my emotions at the moment i started the thread. If you didn't brought this back up, no-one would be bothered by it again. If you want Bas to reply i'll ask if this thread is let open. Otherwise the admins will close it once for all, ok?
Palmares
11th July 2003, 04:37
I don't really mind ISF, thought more happens at Che-Lives if you ask me.
ISF is better for Philosophy, Theology, and some others.
But I see Anarch on there so.... much...
Urban Rubble
21st July 2003, 01:56
Can we please end this stupid fucking debate ? These threads are worthless and stupid.
You guys act like you're about 12 years old sometimes.
ComradeJunichi
21st July 2003, 14:29
Urban, you're the one overreacting more than anyone now. You're hunting out every single thread with the slightest thing to do with Che-Lives and ISF and you just rant.
I'm out here to defend myself and my site, is that childish? Am I being immature? I don't see anything wrong with that.
Urban, I thought we already got over this. Why did you have to make another post on an ended thread? This threads last post was July 11th, it died out 10 days ago.
Urban Rubble
23rd July 2003, 05:26
Joon, the reason I keep posting on these threads is because they are ridiculous, and if you guys would stop and think for one second you would realize that. Are you being childish and immature ? A little bit, ya. There is nothing wrong with defending your site, but at some point you are going to have to get over it. How much time have you wasted "defending you site" ? Alot. You have made your points, if people choose to ignore them, fuck them.
As for the last post being 10 days ago, I didn't realize that. If I'd have known this thread was dead I would not have posted.
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