F*CK!!!

[革命者]

is it just me or is this incomprehensible?:

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/zioncom.html

[革命者]

another f*cked up part of the web: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/

[ComradeJunichi]

Quote: from Scotty on 1:48 pm on June 2, 2003
another f*cked up part of the web: http://www.socialistfront.org/forum/

Explain yourself. "Fucked up part of the web", that's just a great one. How is it fucked up? Because there are actual socialists who know what they're talking about? Whereas on some messageboards, nobody knows anything?

Please explain. How about you go to the "insensible, anti-semitic, authoritarian, fucked up" website, and try discussing or even debating (if that is possible for you, without flaming). I would love to see your posts on my board, and I'd love to refute every single one of them. I'm sure many members would also.

Your flames, biased-wrongfully based claims, and labels thrown at the ISF do not help your point but just add fuel to the fire that is already set on Che-Lives. Please, since you're already registered, create a thread in the ISF Assembly or the Lounge.

We'll be waiting.

[革命者]

because your board is sectarian, maybe not in nature, but it already turned out to be-- i would be suprised if many non-stalinists will start debating on ISF, and i accept your invitation.

i guess the wrong ppl responded to your invitations via che-lives (i was not PMed, btw-- i don't mind), but what would you expect if you're so close-minded as you are-- they are afraid to get flamed at just as Leftist Spider was after some critique on your strict rules.

[Pete]

Che-lives is more sectratarian than the ISF is. Anarch is a National Aristocratic Anarchist for fucks sake and he is respected! Their are liberals and "stalinsts" (by which I think you mean authoritarian marxists). Quit your *****ing child.

[革命者]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 10:34 pm on June 5, 2003
Che-lives is more sectratarian than the ISF is. Anarch is a National Aristocratic Anarchist for fucks sake and he is respected! Their are liberals and "stalinsts" (by which I think you mean authoritarian marxists). Quit your *****ing child.i just responded to Joon's questions.

Funny you call me a child while yourself are only 17. :cheesy:

[Pete]

You have been acting like one ;) anyways isn't it felt good.

[革命者]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 11:01 pm on June 5, 2003
You have been acting like one ;) anyways isn't it felt good.doesn't it feel good to be a child??

yes it does!;)

but El Brujo requested i responded to his post more "in depth", so i think i just do that.

Try to understand me Pete.. only the "accusations", or whatever, about che-lives on the ISF annoyed me cause i think they have deepend the gap between "us liberals" and "you stalinists", and they shouldn't-- "returning the favour", as i called it, was indeed childish, but i am glad the topic che-lives has no longer be explicitely discussed on the ISF, or maybe just matured and i am glad.. glad to find El Brujo back on this bulletin board and Malte discussing on the ISF forum(s), at least for now.

i will try to continue my visits of ISF and being more helpful in closing the gap, then i was with this thread, by debating instead of flaming-- i was "furious", fueled also by a misinterpretation of a certain member, you know who you are ;), which let to this rant-- again, i am sorry

in solidarity,
Scott

(Edited by Scotty at 11:17 pm on June 5, 2003)

[Pete]

i definitly not 'stalinst' btw

[革命者]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 11:18 pm on June 5, 2003
i definitly not 'stalinst' btwi'm no "liberal", either. :)

[ComradeJunichi]

Quote: from Scotty on 9:30 pm on June 5, 2003
because your board is sectarian, maybe not in nature, but it already turned out to be-- i would be suprised if many non-stalinists will start debating on ISF, and i accept your invitation.

i guess the wrong ppl responded to your invitations via che-lives (i was not PMed, btw-- i don't mind), but what would you expect if you're so close-minded as you are-- they are afraid to get flamed at just as Leftist Spider was after some critique on your strict rules.


God damn it, looks like I have to post all over again to try and get it through your skull.

because your board is sectarian, maybe not in nature, but it already turned out to be

My board is sectarian? You tell me how my board is sectarian, you even said I invited you and so did DDAY. No wait you guys are dirty stalinists, I forgot. Thats why theres a National Aristocratic Anarchist Monkey - whatever his ideology is now (Good friend of mine, Ken).

Maybe not in a nature but it has turned out to be, let us see why. The extreme-liberals who can't stand that I am taking measures to stop spam to encourage good debate. Is that so hard to understand? Throwing false claims that I've been banning people because they are liberal, what pure bullshit. You guys are leaving because the board is "authoritarian", I'm not banning or asking any of you to leave. I'm encouraging you (not literally, I mean you as in intelligent members on Che-Lives) to stay, which is why I'm taking the time to refute your lies.

Who was the little weasle who misread everything on the board and came back to Che-Lives to tell his daddy, Malte, about ISF? Even Che-Lives members think you're a little weasle.

i would be suprised if many non-stalinists will start debating on ISF, and i accept your invitation

I would be really fucking suprised if you bothered reading any of the fucking threads on the board. You think the whole board is revolved around stalinism, how about you read something. I don't even have to prove you wrong, because you've been wrong from the start. Do you want me to get these members to post their ideology in this thread? Jesus christ.

i guess the wrong ppl responded to your invitations via che-lives (i was not PMed, btw-- i don't mind)

I didn't send "invitations". I read posts of Che-Lives members and PMed the intelligent ones, hence the reason you weren't PMed. All the liberals, that aren't close friends of mine, didn't want to join the board. Members like Drake, Irish Guevara(Prometheus), Pastradmus(Pablo Escobar), and such are my friends and have been around since CYPSK.

Noone PMed you because nobody likes the way you seem to think, and "style of your posts" (quote by Malte, himself).

but what would you expect if you're so close-minded as you are--

Close-minded as I am? I am one of the most well known members, of those who actually fucking know me, to be the most open-minded. And I've received many compliments and respect for that, from members I used to and still do respect.

they are afraid to get flamed at just as Leftist Spider was after some critique on your strict rules.

I never resort to flaming, but Jesus Christ. You're a fuckin idiot. Tell me, who the fuck is afraid to get flamed besides fucking morons? Give me an example where anyone has been flamed? I have created a whole fucking forum for criticism of the board. I have created at least 2 fucking threads for those who oppose my board rules to criticize and suggest changes. Leftist Spider, aka Comrade Daniel, was not flamed. I owned him in a debate, it wasn't even a proper debate since all he brought up was lies and false claims - the EXACT same shit you're pulling out of your ass.

I'm sick of going through the same shit over and over, and it's fucking obvious you can't get it through your thick ass skull, so I'm just going to stop trying to convince you because the other members on ISF love it and those who don't don't join it. They don't create some bullshit out of nowhere, you fucking weasle.

So far I have refuted, and was right, about every single part of your posts for the last 8 pages in the other thread and another in this one. I suggest you read them, and stop bringing the same shit up.

It's over.

(Edited by ComradeJunichi at 2:11 pm on June 6, 2003)

[ComradeJunichi]

Jesus, I didn't see the post below the other one.


Quote: from Scotty on 10:14 pm on June 5, 2003

Quote: from CrazyPete on 11:01 pm on June 5, 2003
You have been acting like one ;) anyways isn't it felt good.doesn't it feel good to be a child??

yes it does!;)

but El Brujo requested i responded to his post more "in depth", so i think i just do that.

Try to understand me Pete.. only the "accusations", or whatever, about che-lives on the ISF annoyed me cause i think they have deepend the gap between "us liberals" and "you stalinists", and they shouldn't-- "returning the favour", as i called it, was indeed childish, but i am glad the topic che-lives has no longer be explicitely discussed on the ISF, or maybe just matured and i am glad.. glad to find El Brujo back on this bulletin board and Malte discussing on the ISF forum(s), at least for now.

i will try to continue my visits of ISF and being more helpful in closing the gap, then i was with this thread, by debating instead of flaming-- i was "furious", fueled also by a misinterpretation of a certain member, you know who you are ;), which let to this rant-- again, i am sorry

in solidarity,
Scott

(Edited by Scotty at 11:17 pm on June 5, 2003)


but El Brujo requested i responded to his post more "in depth", so i think i just do that.

I would request you read the posts in depth also, if you bothered reading properly and understanding objectively, perhaps this whole thing wouldn't have started. I request you respond to my replies in the other thread also.

Try to understand me Pete.. only the "accusations", or whatever, about che-lives on the ISF annoyed me cause i think they have deepend the gap between "us liberals" and "you stalinists"

LOL, Pete, can you believe this guy?

First of all, the only reason there is a deeper gap between ISF and Che-Lives...not liberals and stalinists, you fuck - how many times do I have to tell you...god, I'm not even going to bother.

Anyway, back to my point. The only reason there is a deeper gap between ISF and Che-Lives is because YOU, you little weasle, misread a post in The Lounge and had to run back to Che-Lives and flame with false claims. You are blaming us for the gap? There was a thread created by a Che-Liver named Cthenthar, who is by the way an extreme liberal, and members began posting their thoughts about Che-Lives. These are from old Che-Lives, or Che-Lives refugees as some of them called it. Both Pro's and Con's are there, have you even bothered reading the post?

"returning the favour", as i called it, was indeed childish, but i am glad the topic che-lives has no longer be explicitely discussed on the ISF, or maybe just matured and i am glad.. glad to find El Brujo back on this bulletin board and Malte discussing on the ISF forum(s), at least for now.


Don't come back now acting like everything's good, because you're still a fucking moron. Maybe you matured from actually skimming through some of my posts refuting your posts. GO FUCKING READ THE CHE-LIVES THREAD IN THE ISF LOUNGE. It's about why the people left the board and why the people still visit the board, it's criticism, something that you can't handle. It's actual criticism, not false claims. Go read it before you post anything, read it objectively - if you even know how to do that.

i will try to continue my visits of ISF and being more helpful in closing the gap

You're damn right you better be helpful in closing the gap you created, you fucking weasle. I've already talked to Malte, and he's told me he respected me and my board and it's inspired him to do more on Che-Lives.

Frankly, I wouldn't give two shits if you didn't visit the board anymore. Not because of your fucking ideology, just incase you try to twist my words - but because you're a fucking moron.

by debating instead of flaming-- i was "furious", fueled also by a misinterpretation of a certain member, you know who you are ;), which let to this rant-- again, i am sorry

Yeah, I hope you learn how to read objectively and control your temper when necessary. Don't call me hypocritical because I've been flooded with the same messages over and over since I ever created the ISF. And I'm fucking sick of it, I've cleared it out over and over again but you people can't get it through your fucking skulls.

[Ian]

Oh my, now you are all arguing over which website is sectarian, frankly I don't care, too many people on Che-lives and ISF sit on their ass all day doing nothing to stop the bourgeoisie from shitting all over us.


The next message directed at me has every chance of being a "What would you know Ian I spray painted a hammer and sickle on a wall at 3 am last night!", to that I say very good, now do something that will actually help rebuild the left; Join an organisation, join a union, stop talking about how economism is opportunist and fucking do something!!!


Sitting here talking about which site is Sectarian is sectarian in itself!

[CubanFox]

What are us people, still in high school supposed to do, Ian? (this is an honest question)

I don't want to get arrested for being a vandal or anything. I'd start a newspaper but noone at school gives a shit about politics.

[ComradeJunichi]

Ofcourse, there are many things us-highschoolers can do. Vandalism won't help with the movement. Organizations, youth groups, and even things not really to help the movement but to help out in the neighborhood.

Frankly, I would like to study more instead but ofcourse there are steps to take action - which I do do. Probably not as much as some of you guys, but I find it rather hard.

I think for highschoolers it's better to study hard, read up and build your mind. Ideologically and intellectually, maturation of the mind is a key concept.

It seems everyone puts so much emphasis on "taking it to the streets", I think it's more important to "take it to the books". I'm not implying these two cannot be done together, but so much emphasis on "action" isn't needed.

[CubanFox]

I don't really live in a good area for youth groups.

The vast majority of the people in my area are elderly.

[bolshevik1917]

ISF contains a strong loser element, the name Mazdak springs to mind :biggrin:

[ComradeJunichi]

Quote: from bolshevik1917 on 5:37 pm on June 8, 2003
ISF contains a strong loser element, the name Mazdak springs to mind :biggrin:

And this proves you have not even bothered looking at the board, how about you read something on it first. Notice Mazdak's last post for anything political was a while ago.

Thanks for judging my board by one member.