Comrades- I need your help at a different message board. - A

[Nick Yves]

http://forums.xengamers.com/showthread.php...15&pagenumber=1 (http://forums.xengamers.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80316&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

Alright..You may need to register to post something, but read that topic, it's pretty good. I made it, and obviously their are a lot of people there against it, or not so much against it but just dont think it could happen. So redstar, anyone else who can put up awesome debates, feel free to join in...

Btw, the topic I posted a link to is kind of a theory topic so I put this topic here too...

[kylie]

ive registered and activated the account, but it seems i still cant reply.

[Nick Yves]

Hmm...You are logged in, right? i dunno what to say...

[redstar2000]

Jetgrind, I took a look at the thread and, frankly, I think you're just wasting your time talking to these people about anything more advanced than a computer game.

There was exactly one semi-intelligent response to your post; all the rest of those people sound like they need escorts when they go out of doors.

They may be good "gamers" (I'm not qualified to say, one way or the other), but their basic knowledge of society seems to be age 10 or so.

I know at least one other person who has attempted to "talk politics" on gamer boards; he hasn't had much success with the idea either.

Perhaps the "mind-set" of a dedicated computer gamer works against understanding the realities of existing society...a really good "escape" is almost as good as actual escape.

:cool:

[Pete]

I don't feel like wasting time to reply to that thread, sorry. It reminds me of people in my class, they are so brainwashed with what communism is, even after you explain it to them five times they revert back to their own definition.

[Nick Yves]

Please you guys!

I could use some help. I would love for one of you to do what you do to some of the people here, and just write up a huge message that would shut them up...ahh...yer right tho, a lot of conservatives and right wingers over there.

[The Muckraker]

I'm really not sure what they are arguing against other than Stalinism, which has nothing at all to do with Marx as far as I can tell.

There are some there who seem to be saying that communism goes against human nature, but that's a fallacious argument. Did feudalism go against human nature? If so, how could it have existed, for the question becomes how does a person act against his very nature? Marx dealt with this in his remarks about species being.

What many don't seem to grasp is that socialism demands a complete restructuring of society. It has nothing to do with people just being "nice" to each other but with a system that changes the relations of production in such a way that economic liberty is insured, production for people, not profit. The argument that this would lead to laziness fails badly. A brief look at history shows us that people have always worked, we have to simply to survive. There is nothing that will change this. The question is under what conditions will people work? Currently, the conditions gaurantee a concentration of wealth in the hands of a few while the vast majority of workers live in poverty. While this may not be the case in the industrialized West, though it's fast becoming the case here, it's certainly true worldwide. Capitalism, no less than socialism, is internationalist. The riches of the US have less to do with the "free market" per se and more to do with oil being traded in dollars, which finances our trade deficit, and the plundering of the resources of other countries, primarily in Latin America.

It's really about what kind of world in which you want to live--one where people receive the full value for their labor power or one in which the capitalist class receives the value of your labor power and uses the State to create favorable rules for itself. I prefer the former.

The Muckraker