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Qayin
14th February 2009, 06:49
In an anarchist society, how will you abolish discrimination, with people always thinking their way is right, and influence others to believe what they believe in how will this be resolved?
Lets say if everything is resolved everyone is getting a source of food, there are no issues, but social issues we all know there will be that one self righteous asshole that will take something from someone who has suffered from and use it against them to make them believe in way so how does this end? If people start uprisings saying "this is the way it should be!" how can this come to a halt? What will end this?

Ben Chaser
14th February 2009, 08:45
In an anarchist group, decisions are made based on concensus with an eye on mutual aid and deep consideration of autonomy. if everyone is involved in the decision, disagreements work themselves into the solution. The questions on the table are not "are we democrats or republicans" but "what should we plant" and "should we trust this new guy." Anarchism is not prescribing a solution, anarchism is the solution. And you can start today by deciding by consensus what movie to watch with your friends tonight.

thinkerOFthoughts
14th February 2009, 19:22
In an anarchist society, how will you abolish discrimination, with people always thinking their way is right, and influence others to believe what they believe in how will this be resolved?
Lets say if everything is resolved everyone is getting a source of food, there are no issues, but social issues we all know there will be that one self righteous asshole that will take something from someone who has suffered from and use it against them to make them believe in way so how does this end? If people start uprisings saying "this is the way it should be!" how can this come to a halt? What will end this?The good thing is in a world such as this you can simply leave this community, and go to another :)

Potemkin
15th February 2009, 07:48
This hypothetical question is fairly off the mark. You are presupposing that an anarchist society has come into existence without somehow overcoming these fundamental issues? For a revolution to happen, there has to be at least enough unity from the people for them to rise effectively.

However, an anarchist society would be extremely social, communal, and self-regulating. People would realize their actions affect others, and when people go outside of what those affected by the action deem appropriate, there would be some kind of repercussion. This kind of society would also value rehabilitation over incarceration or punishment, and "troublemakers" would be the burden of the community to help get straightened back out. Depending on the behavior, the person could be expelled from the community. This, of course, is only when the person's action affects others negatively.

As for people joining a "this is the way it should be" movement -- I don't know what you would be able to do about that. I think we should worry about that when we get there, though.

Qayin
15th February 2009, 10:13
Thank for the reply guys

This was a topic of debate among friends last night

Potemkin
15th February 2009, 18:30
As an aside, when debating with others about anarchism (or true communism), often they will either take one aspect of an anarchist society and place it into the context of existing society or the opposite -- take something from this society and place it into what they see as an anarchist society. In both examples, they'll call it an "anarchist society," pretend this is the world you are arguing for, and then say, "How would this work?"

Of course, this whole line of thought is completely off the mark and is not something we have to defend or reconcile. This seems to be one of the problems you encountered during your debate among friends. I think it's helpful for those arguing in favor of anarchism/true communism to see these arguments early on and nip them in the bud, as it were. Explain that their argument comes from a gross misunderstanding, and try to straighten them out.

Hopefully this is helpful. I know it helps me in conversation.

autotrophic
17th February 2009, 09:05
Another thing to take in consideration:
Some forms (not all) of discrimination are explicitly enforced by the state and capitalism in general. A couple examples would be
- media being sexist against men and women by portraying unrealistic stereotypes
- racism through immigration laws, and discrimination against some native communities
- war
Getting rid of the state and capitalism would minimize these

Sentinel
20th February 2009, 14:47
Troll post and diversion (http://www.revleft.com/vb/trolling-t102131/index.html?p=1362827#post1362827) trashed. cccplikai, quit trolling -- consider this a verbal warning. Also read my PM warning to you. Unless you cease spamming the board with trollish oneliners you will receive a warning point.