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Reuben
13th February 2009, 00:24
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Cosmetic surgery, puritanism and misguided vandalism

If like me you travel a lot on the London underground, you will have noticed the mass of posters that have gone up advertising plastic surgery. You will have also noticed that a vast number of the posters have been vandalised with stickers and scrawlings. A few years ago I would applauded such attacks on an industry widely regarded as reflecting the worst and most oppressive aspects of our culture.

Yet I’ve become increasingly uncomfortable with a great deal of anti-plastic surgery rhetoric. Often one encounters a kind of fetishisation of the natural, a sense that people are, and in fact must be, most beautiful in their natural states, and that messing around with your body is just plain wrong. If you happen to believe in god as the creator humankind, then there may be some mileage in this. If you believe we have evolved through a set of fairly random chemical processes this is primitivist bollocks.

Perhaps more prominent - especially in scrawlings on posters mentioned earlier - is the idea that the plastic surgery industry is oppressive to women. Such a view rather patronisingly posits women who choose to invest in plastic surgery as victims - driven to the scalpel by the pressures of society, but also of their own psychological inadequacies. Yes, there is enormous pressure on women to look good, but this is not the be all and end all. After all many men go in for it.
I would hazard a guess that appearance is one factor which determines the quality/quantity of sexual experiences available to us - no matter how many people hold on to an absurd vision of a utopia in which men and women only see ‘inner beauty’. With this in mind it is reasonable to imagine that an adult man or woman might deem the possibility of a better appearance to be worth the cost, pain and risk of cosmetic surgery.

And is there anything wrong with men and women who make such a calculation. ‘Yes’ is what many people appear to think. Intertwined with the image of victimhood described in the above paragraph is, I believe, a rather puritanical idea that it is shallow and frivolous to undergo pain and expense merely for the sake of looking better. Personally speaking I have no problem with looking like a complete tramp, and get annoyed at spending any more than a tenner on an item of clothing. But I am also able to recognise that this is simply a personal lifestyle preference, and to maintain more than a modicum of respect for those who differ. I do not consider myself more ‘liberated’ than my more sharply dressed friends.

What finally left me feeling vindicated and angry enough to write this post was a vandalised poster that I saw today. Written on it were the words ‘Stop exploiting women’. Yet in the same ink, devil horns had been drawn on the post-plastic surgery woman picture in the poster, and the word ‘Slut’ written. Perhaps this was an abomination. But perhaps it simply made explicitly some of the unjustified, and potentially misogynistic, contempt that characterises ‘well informed’ attitudes towards the industry and its participants.

TC
13th February 2009, 00:49
excellent post, don't think i could have put it better.

ÑóẊîöʼn
13th February 2009, 04:09
Just how prevalent is plastic surgery anyway? I certainly don't know anyone who's had it.

Mind you, my main problem with plastic surgery is that plastic surgeons don't seem to be held up to the same standards as medical surgeons. Can anyone clarify this?

Le Libérer
13th February 2009, 05:28
Just how prevalent is plastic surgery anyway? I certainly don't know anyone who's had it.

Mind you, my main problem with plastic surgery is that plastic surgeons don't seem to be held up to the same standards as medical surgeons. Can anyone clarify this?Yes you do, I have had cosmetic surgery. It was during surgery that one of the procedures I had done was performed. And with all of them, they were performed in hospitals and by licensed surgeons.

I dont feel the need to explain how much or what I have had done, but will say two of the procedures I had were reconstructive surgery. The other two were purely cosmetic, and am recooping from it as we speak.

I have under gone an extreme amount of pain in the name of beauty and I dont feel I should apologize for it or be sorry it. The 4 procedures I've had done have been worth it. I did it for me, and not for standards that society has placed on me. And I would do it all again in a heart beat.

ÑóẊîöʼn
13th February 2009, 22:17
I have under gone an extreme amount of pain in the name of beauty and I dont feel I should apologize for it or be sorry it. The 4 procedures I've had done have been worth it. I did it for me, and not for standards that society has placed on me. And I would do it all again in a heart beat.

If people want to put themselves through the pain and expense of plastic surgery, that's entirely their business as far as I'm concerned. My main issue is that there are unscrupulous folks willing to exploit peoples' desire for increased beauty, who are willing to cut corners in order to line their own pockets. This can be compounded by the expense of decent surgery, leading people straight to the doors of suck mercenary quacks. But that's obviously not happened to you.

Reuben
14th February 2009, 01:48
cheers tc. I think you have shaped my interest quite a lot on matters such as this

Sentinel
14th February 2009, 23:09
I totally agree with the author of the OP about the phrase 'it's the inner beauty that matters' being a myth. It's not only silly but outright harmful to teach this -- most human beings simply do get attracted to a beautiful, young and healthy looking body more than one not so. This, whether they like it, or admit it (even to themselves), or not.

Moreover, it's a fact that feeling attractive and appeciated for ones looks mostly does wonders to ones self esteem and psychological wellbeing, whether one now has lots of sex or not. As flock animals we thirst for approval, and one cannot feel good in a body one isn't comfortable in.

Also, as a transhumanist I naturally have no 'moral' objections whatsoever to plastic surgery and wouldn't hesitate to undergo it for a second -- would it not be so fucking expensive. Natural does not equal good at all -- for modern humanity with our advanced technology it's nothing but a start, somewhere to begin.