why do you right wingers hate socialism ?

[Revo_Socialista]

Why do you right wingers hate socialism so much ? What did it do to you ?

[Revolutionary Youth]

Asking right wingers about this in a leftist's forum?
Great idea, bro!
PS:there are *may be* some out there, *may be* just a few, but don't abandon your hope.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Its because they are ****s who look like this

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/david_cameron1.jpg

Dont you just want to hit this face with a hammer?

[Dr Mindbender]

Why do you right wingers hate socialism so much ? What did it do to you ?


Because most of them are selfish rich gits who think that poor people deserve to die in poverty.

If you are a socialist you oppose this principle.

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Asking right wingers about this in a leftist's forum?
Great idea, bro!
PS:there are *may be* some out there, *may be* just a few, but don't abandon your hope.

This is OI, the one part of the forum where right wingers are allowed to post.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Because most of them are selfish rich gits who think that poor people deserve to die in poverty.

If you are a socialist you oppose this principle.

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Well most right-wingers I know argue that Capitalism feeds people quite well here, and that it's when the Left gets control that people begin to starve in massive numbers.

Unfortunately for me, they have history on their side. Or so it seems.


Dont you just want to hit this face with a hammer? ...hate to sound extremely ignorant but who is that?


Why do you right wingers hate socialism so much ? What did it do to you ? Probably for the same reasons leftists hate the right. Both feel they're correct, and that no comprimises should be made.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

...hate to sound extremely ignorant but who is that?


Leader of the conservative party and probably the UK's next prime minster fucking posh twat.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Oh...well I see him in cartoons a bit and most artists make him look rather evil. He's really a handsome dude. In a British kind of way.

Anyway, I can promise you that our conservatives are worse, or at the very least, much less intelligent. Don't know if that helps any.

BTW, is the Conservative party considered the non-interventionists compared to Labour, in foreign affairs that is?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

No not really they also supported the Iraq war.

[Bud Struggle]

Well, we like being master of our own domain. We like making as much money as we want, we like having the freedom to earn money and save money and live by our own wits. We don't like government or any one else telling us what to do.

We like keeping the money we earn. It's a lot of fun being a Capitalist, at least on the Bourgeoise side.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

We're ****s

Fixed

[Pogue]

Its because they are ****s who look like this

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/david_cameron1.jpg

Dont you just want to hit this face with a hammer?

Who would hit such a lovable face with a hammer? :rolleyes:

He wont be Prime Minister, he'll be too busy revising for his A levels to campaign for election.

[RGacky3]

It's a lot of fun being a Capitalist, at least on the Bourgeoise side.

I'm glad you see it. key point right there.

[scarletghoul]

There is no such thing as Prime Minister! Spread the word, and it will become true.

Right wingers believe in freedom of the individual to accumulate wealth, ignoring the fact that this usually deprives other people of wealth. They believe people do not deserve to be equal, I think.


Well most right-wingers I know argue that Capitalism feeds people quite well here, and that it's when the Left gets control that people begin to starve in massive numbers.

Unfortunately for me, they have history on their side. Or so it seems.
Capitalism has caused and is currently causing massive starvation around the world. America is one capitalist country where starvation is minimal, but there have also been many socialist countries without starvation. Overall, more people have starved in capitalist countries than socialist ones

[trivas7]

Capitalism has caused and is currently causing massive starvation around the world.
No, you're wrong, simply b/c capitalism isn't a causal agent. Name that socialist country w/o incidence of starvation.

[Decolonize The Left]

No, you're wrong, simply b/c capitalism isn't a causal agent. Name that socialist country w/o incidence of starvation.

Ok... but capitalism is an economic system which is entirely dependent upon the individuals operating within said system believing in and engaging in said system.

Hence the individuals themselves may be casual agents, but the justification for their actions often falls back upon capitalism.

- August

[Bud Struggle]

I'm glad you see it. key point right there.

I never said any differently. But there is an opportunity (at least here in the US) for anyone to rise from the Proletariat to the Bourgeoise. Everyone can't, but anyone can--and since you only have one life it's best to do so.

[trivas7]

Ok... but capitalism is an economic system which is entirely dependent upon the individuals operating within said system believing in and engaging in said system.

Hence the individuals themselves may be casual agents, but the justification for their actions often falls back upon capitalism.

Humans engage in economic activity to satisfy their real human needs, not to nefariously inflict starvation upon the world's masses.

[Decolonize The Left]

Humans engage in economic activity to satisfy their real human needs,

Not necessarily. It's true that humans most often engage in economic activity to satisfy real human needs, but humans also engage in plenty of economic activity to satisfy human desires as well as imaginary needs.


not to nefariously inflict starvation upon the world's masses.

I never said that there was any ill-intent in anybody's actions... I don't see how you found this in my previous statement.

- August

[RGacky3]

Everyone can't, but anyone can--and since you only have one life it's best to do so.

For most people crime is actually a more logical solution and has better odds at success.

Many people don't have a chance at all, ever.

A better solution is hte syndicalist one, improve your odds as a worker, keep your integrity, and fight to end this system.


Humans engage in economic activity to satisfy their real human needs, not to nefariously inflict starvation upon the world's masses.

Most economic activity in Capitalism is for profit which has nothing to do with needs, it has to do with power.

[Comrade Anarchist]

they hate socialism because they dont know what it is. They all think of it as big government taking all your money raping your wife putting your kid to work and other bullshit. But you cant teach them because they wont listen.

[Bud Struggle]

For most people crime is actually a more logical solution and has better odds at success.

Many people don't have a chance at all, ever.

A better solution is hte syndicalist one, improve your odds as a worker, keep your integrity, and fight to end this system.


Whoever said that life has to be equal for everyone? Work hard, you do beter than if you don't. Work smart, you do better than if you don't. Want to wait for the government or the Revolution or Santa to make everything fair? Then wait. I never was that patient. And for me, and for a good number of people it worked out OK.

Nothing is certain in life and even a Revolution won't make things fair. It's a loosing game.

[trivas7]

they hate socialism because they dont know what it is.
No, but b/c they don't know what it looks like; how it works, etc. And truth be told neither do you. B/c better the devil you know, rather than something better you hope for. Most adults abhor change and are conservative by nature.

[Bud Struggle]

No, but b/c they don't know what it looks like; how it works, etc. And truth be told neither do you. B/c better the devil you know, rather than something better you hope for. Most adults abhor change and are conservative by nature.

Well to be fair each time Socialism is tried it is something of a disaster. Better luck next time, though.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Why do you right wingers hate socialism so much ? What did it do to you ?

Because we're dirty thieves who steal from the rich to give to the poor. ;)

[Metternich]

I hate socialism because it has murdered millions of innocent people. State-controlled economies have starved to death millions in China, and Russia.

Human nature is much more complicated then formulas written down by bourgeois intellectuals claim it to be.

“The battleline between good and evil runs through the heart of every man.”
-Solzhenitsyn

Extreme capitalism and extreme socialism do not work.

[Bud Struggle]

Extreme capitalism and extreme socialism do not work.

You know, you just may have a point there. Extreme Capitalism led to mass riches and mass starvation. We still have a good deal of it in the world today. Extreme Socialism seems to lead to a Dictatorship of the Dictator.

[Boy Named Crow]

they hate socialism because they dont know what it is. They all think of it as big government taking all your money raping your wife putting your kid to work and other bullshit. But you cant teach them because they wont listen.

I think there's a lot of truth in this but I also think that there's a large percentage of the people living in capitalists societies who consider themselves capitalist but aren't benefiting from capitalism.

And so when they moan about the state of their country and how the rich just seem to get richer and the poor just keep getting poorer, etc, etc they begin expressing essentially socialist ideas and solutions to their problems.

But of course because they do not understand what socialism is or indeed what capitalism is - they cannot pin point their own position within the political spectrum.

Add to this the stigma attached to socialism and other non-capitalist approaches and you have a recipe for disaster. A population where the working class are largely un-informed and un-aware of their options is a perfect method of control for a capitalst state.

I would be interested to find out how many of you [particularly British and Americans] were taught the basic principles and differences between capitalism and socialism or communism in school when growing up?

What do you guys think?

[MMIKEYJ]

they hate socialism because they dont know what it is. They all think of it as big government taking all your money raping your wife putting your kid to work and other bullshit. But you cant teach them because they wont listen.

Theyres probably some truth to that.

Im not sure if its a combination of reasons in America. Between people themselves being a different breed perhaps, and combined with their early teachings in school , especially during the cold war and such with the USSR.

Once you say communism, people will think of statism, govt control, checkpoints, etc.

And although we have similar measures going on now, (or being attempted to) they dont use the banner of socialism because thats a no brainer for political death here.

[ZeroNowhere]

I hate socialism because it has murdered millions of innocent people. State-controlled economies have starved to death millions in China, and Russia.
What.
DEATH TO FALSE SOCIALISM!


Human nature is much more complicated then formulas written down by bourgeois intellectuals claim it to be.
Arguments about 'human nature' have a tendency to devolve into mere sophistry, if not start as it.


“The battleline between good and evil runs through the heart of every man.”
-Solzhenitsyn
Cool.


Extreme capitalism and extreme socialism do not work.
Um, 'extreme capitalism' and 'extreme socialism'? That doesn't really make much sense. You have capitalism, and it's no more or less capitalism if it's state capitalism, Keynesianism or laissez-faire, etc, and socialism, which is no more or less socialist whether it's mutualist or 'anarcho-communist', or any other form.


I would be interested to find out how many of you [particularly British and Americans] were taught the basic principles and differences between capitalism and socialism or communism in school when growing up?
Well, between republican private capitalism and dictatorial state capitalism, referred to as 'communism', but no.

[RGacky3]

Whoever said that life has to be equal for everyone? Work hard, you do beter than if you don't. Work smart, you do better than if you don't. Want to wait for the government or the Revolution or Santa to make everything fair? Then wait. I never was that patient. And for me, and for a good number of people it worked out OK.

Nothing is certain in life and even a Revolution won't make things fair. It's a loosing game.

when I say equal, I mean innately, equal in rights. Thats what I mean.


Extreme Socialism seems to lead to a Dictatorship of the Dictator.

Extreme Socialism leads to Anarchism. The idea of "extremes" in left and right is too simplistic.

[RebelDog]

Why do you right wingers hate socialism so much ?

Because socialism is the expression of the toiling class in their right to life, culture and control over their lives, labour and communities. Socialism is an anathema to the parasites who control the working class and live off their labour.

[Black Dagger]

Removed a flame post by Kenshiro from this thread.