A revolution in India ? Indian Maoist Revolutionaries (Updates and discussion)

[Rousedruminations]

Hi comrades;

I am quiet interested in the Indian Maoist Revolutionaries. There is a you tube video that i recommend watching it:thumbup1::):laugh:

Apparently they have more than 30 % of the country under control and that mostly the Eastern and far Eastern Provinces of India. However through government propaganda this is often censored from the public and international media.

Called the Indian Maoist revolution .. in you tube


What bothers me the most is that they have been fighting for 40 Years or more and still a revolution has not occurred and it seems far out of sight ?


So updates would be greatly appreciated.

Also since the economic boom, India has seen the Rich get richer and the poor get poorer. In fact being to India 3 times myself, i am led to believe that there are more poor people in India than the Middle class or wealthy, just look at the countless beggars on the street, which i am sure Capitalism and British Colonialism has produced. Does this provide a great incentive for a revolution to occur .. to encourage the masses to subvert the already corrupted government or government(S) in India... ?

In actual fact, i am also deeply convinced that there are more than 100 criminals ( as what does the video say) sitting in India's Parliament today ?

The Caste System is also another big issue in India that i treat with utter contempt and disregard, a system based on status,money and affluence barring the marriages between two individuals from different castes... ? .......and hypothetically speaking, if an individual was from a lower class in Indian Society does that hamper or inhibit them from working in the corporate environment ? Is that not overt and explicit discrimination which i am sure is still alive today ?

Also, the great divide between the North of India and South. There is no apparent affiliation between the North and South of India, the only common element that unites them is English and Hinduism. Hindi is not taught in Tamil Nadu one of the Southern Provinces. India has a vast number of languages and religions, (the state of Punjab had asked the government for a separate state yet they were crushed). As you can see there is great diversity, separatism, provincialism and segregation within India, yet they stil fucntion as united country >?

To me, and it is my belief, after watching that video countless times that, the Maoist revolution should occur and be expedited, ending poverty (starvation that most of the poor endure through utter neglect and the unfaithful representation of the poor in federal and state elections)...

Quiet Astonishingly AND ALSO it is a fact that one of India's SOUTHERN PROVINCES CALLED KERALA is under a communist regime,and those powers are ONLY STATE executed, i ask you how can on its own way of governing and the ideologies that it has, cooperate with the Central government ? They would at least despise the federal government for being bourgeoisie, hence another prime example of Segregation.


And so my question is, do you think comrades that a revolution can occur in India, and will the current government be subverted in the future ?

Do you also think Coummnism would be of benefit to india ?

I ALSO STRONGLY AND FIRMLY believe ...

THAT LESS TALK AND MORE ACTION IS NEEDED ( even if that does involve a class struggle, that condones violence, its through the use of an armed struggle of the masses that this can be achieved)

NO negotiation diplomatically with the government OR a chance to participate in an election as a ' Communist Party' is needed as shown in state elections this keeps the proletariat at bay.... India needs a revolutionary outcome ! and this is only achieve through a tough and tenacious stance on the element of violence and destruction...of the main government that India currently has


yet the tone that Maoist revolutionaries OR NAXIALITES as they are more commonly known is a innocuous stance taken in India .... which is why it has taken 40 years for them to come this far !!

What u say comrades !! and this should be applicable and integrated in any ripened hypothetical revolutionary outcome...

[scarletghoul]

India seems ripe and ready for revolution, for reasons you've said. I was also surprised to learn how much the maoists control. But yeah its taking a long time. Hmm. I really dont know much about this, but it would be so awesome for India to go communist

[Rousedruminations]

I ALSO STRONGLY AND FIRMLY believe ...

LESS TALK AND MORE ACTION ( even if that does involve a class struggle, that condones violence, its through the use of an armed struggle of the masses that this can be achieved)

NO negotiation diplomatically with the government OR a chance to participate in an election as a ' Communist Party', NOT India or any country needs a revolutionary outcome OF THIS SORT ! and A PROPER REVOLUTIONARY OUTCOME IS only achieved through a tough and tenacious stance on the element of violence and destruction...of the bourgeois and its central government, even if innocent Civilians fall victim to the REVOLUTIONARY STRUGGLE .

Yet the soft tone that Maoist revolutionaries OR NAXIALITES as they are more commonly known is ineffective and prolongs the outcome of a revolution in India :( .... which is why it has taken 40 years !!

What u say comrades !! and this should be applicable and integrated in any ripened hypothetical revolutionary outcome for ANY COUNTRY :mad::thumbup1:

[Hit The North]

Maoists tend to be anti-democratic, gun-wielding authoritarians so I think a Maoist takeover would be a very bad thing for the Indian working class.

If you want communism in India then the Indian working class will have to seize the means of production.

[Rousedruminations]

hmm , i would have to disagree PARTIALLY with you there communism or a revolutionary outcome and only occur through an armed struggle, and targeting the poor and stimulating their minds with revolutionary words can only mean one thing an impetus and potent force ready to be the vanguard of the revolution..

The working class could be incorporated, but largely, looking at india there is great potential for the homeless and poor who live on the streets to constitute to an uprising..... overall and generally though i think a revolution is contingent or dependent on the circumstances surrounding that country...

yet we have to look at the majority that suffer under exploitation, ............ the stain mark of exploitation is no more overt or explicit than in the suffering of the poor not the 'working class'...

but sure they could join ! but all means... for the revolution...

but after, seizure for the means of production both would do well... or perhaps everyone !

[Saorsa]

Here's hoping the CPI (M) continues to march from success to success.

Maoist influence is spreading - experts
Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:54pm IST
http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-37939620090210?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0


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By Bappa Majumdar
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Well-armed Maoist rebels are rapidly expanding their insurgency in India, catching the government off-guard with their appeal to the poor and destitute, officials and experts say.
The rebels have 22,000 combatants, and have spread to more than 180 of the country's 630 districts from just 56 in 2001, according to the government and a new report this week by the Institute for Conflict Management (IFCM), a New Delhi think-tank.
"The security threats are changing and it's bigger than ever before as more and more areas are coming under their command. It is not a happy sight at all," B.K. Ponwar, head of the Counter Terrorism and Jungle Warfare College in India, told Reuters.
"We must address the barrel of the gun of the Maoists, or in two years the issue will get out of hand."
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has described the Maoist rise as one of the gravest threats to India's internal security, and the insurgency is shaping up as an issue ahead of a general election due by May.
The main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party says the ruling Congress party does not have a strategy to counter the Maoists and that police are poorly armed.
Police and intelligence officials say the Maoists are now recruiting hundreds of poor villagers to bolster their ranks, and are equipped with automatic weapons, shoulder rocket launchers, mines and explosives.
The rebels say they are fighting for the rights of the farmers and the poor who make up the majority of India's 1.1 billion population.
They regularly attack rail lines and factories, aiming to cripple economic activity over a large area.
India's police intelligence department says the Maoists are making their presence felt in 22 of the country's 29 states. Thousands of people have been killed since the uprising began in the late 1960s.
In the last week, rebels have launched attacks in areas previously unaffected by fighting. In Maharashtra rebels shot dead 15 police, while in Bihar's Nawada district they killed 10 police.
More than 1,000 cases of Maoist attacks were recorded last year in which more than 200 security personnel and 300 civilians were killed.
"The rebels now have the capability to launch simultaneous attacks and they have the firepower. But the Indian government does not seem to have the capacity to neutralise them," Ajai Sahni of the Institute for Conflict Management said.
Police efforts are hampered by lack of manpower and weapons as well as poor coordination between states, meaning rebels can escape pursuit by crossing state lines.
Last week the government convened an urgent security meeting and agreed to begin coordinated raids to control the movement.
(Additional reporting by Jatindra Dash and Sujeet Kumar)

[Mike666]

So what do they actually want to achieve?

[Rousedruminations]

A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another. Mao


HOW about that ! that is some awesome news:D:cool::):lol::thumbup1:... and yes their struggle should incorporate the lust of violence which is essential in a revolution, its not gentle, courteous benevolent or a dinner party, ... it is an complete insurrection of the current government ... a class overthrowing another class through violence as how Mao put it !

So overwhelming and positive news there comrade ! thank u for sharing and ...i'll try my best to keep the forum on updates concerning this in INDIA.

[black magick hustla]

HOW about that ! that is some awesome news:D:cool::):lol::thumbup1:... and yes their struggle should incorporate the lust of violence which is essential in a revolution, its not gentle, courteous benevolent or a dinner party, ... it is an complete insurrection of the current government ... a class overthrowing another class through violence as how Mao put it !


go play a videogame instead of saying this bs. there you can hack children into pieces in the same way maoists did in real life in peru.

[Rousedruminations]

are u a commie ? doesn't seem like it ?

[Rousedruminations]

TWO QUOTES THAT COMES FROM LENIN AND (MAO) and obviously MARX.....

( If you oppose this and consider yourself a revolutionary or a communist, then i suggest u should think twice)

A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another. Mao

There is one, and only one, kind of real internationalism, and that is working whole-heartedly for the development of the revolutionary movement and the revolutionary struggle in one's own country, and supporting (by propaganda, sympathy, and material aid) this struggle, this, and only this, line, in every country without exception.

[black magick hustla]

are u a commie ? doesn't seem like it ?

communists dont have a "lust of violence". that is for psychopaths, fascists and stalinists. we believe violence is a terrible necessity

[Rousedruminations]

Well at least it shows u support, condone and advocate the use of violence.... yet u do with some sort of sympathy for the bourgeois and the upper class of society...

A lust for violence was probably an exaggeration, yet u have to consider the mentality of revolutionary soldiers when subverting the government. For example in the October revolution...the revolutionary soldiers would have adopted this mentality and for you as a commie ! to suggest less....is my friend an outcry of shame and disgrace !

If, for example a soldier was to adopt your mentality, and say it himself oh yes i adopt violence but its a terrible necessity " ohh no " he would be dead already without even thinking about the next kill .. and so for you as a commie ! and revolutionary .... my a comrade...you are an outcry of shame and disgrace !

The Softer tone that most international communist since the October Revolution maybe have led to the demise of USSR the old Soviet...

No sympathy for the Capitalist ... and the bourgeois that's it:mad::thumbup1:!!!!

[Rousedruminations]

NOW BACK to the topic of the maoist revolution in India ! .. would like your comments please on the revolutionary outcome if India was to become a communist country ?

[Davie zepeda]

This would indeed be bad for china and Thailand and Burma for if a real revolution were to break out. The balance of power would shift completely forcing the Chinese bureaucracy to take a more radical position and inspiring the neighboring poor to rise knowing they will have a revolutionary goverment that would support there revolution after the over throw of there current goverment. India is a gate way to Asian,Mideast,and the pacific this would really cause a big chain reaction the revolution could spread like wildfire. This would give a almost crushing blow to the capitalist for there greatest fear was alway's losing Asia.

[skki]

These people are not Communists. I have no support or respect for this authoritarian bastardization of Marxism, and no true Marxist would either.

[Rousedruminations]

David zepeda what you have said and i quote;

" This would indeed be bad for china and Thailand and Burma for if a real revolution were to break out. The balance of power would shift completely forcing the Chinese bureaucracy to take a more radical position and inspiring the neighboring poor to rise knowing they will have a revolutionary goverment that would support there revolution after the over throw of there current goverment. India is a gate way to Asian,Mideast,and the pacific this would really cause a big chain reaction the revolution could spread like wildfire. This would give a almost crushing blow to the capitalist for there greatest fear was alway's losing Asia"

...........it is my hypothetical and educated guess if India was to spiral towards a successful revolution and hence the the implementation of a communist government...... it would further agitate Pakistan and other neighboring Asian countries.

And for Skii the Anarhchist Communist, you are a fool !... a disgrace of a true marxist and revolutionary, such methods, of violence is crucial for a successful revolutionary outcome, despite the losses of civilians (innocent) and destruction caused on any imnperialist buildings....and the constructions of the bourgeise...

India is overly populated, and like China can fucntion like another socialist commnist powerhouse in the world to oppose American Imperialist Dominance in 3rd world countries...

[Davie zepeda]

I honestly believe Iran would fall to revolution original it was going toward socialism in tell the united states put the shai in power. Asia is the capitalist prize if it were to ever go toward socialism the first world would shit it's pant's. All the cheap labor all the exploitation would end and the world would go into crisis on the day of the Indian revolutions victory. It would be a great day for all of us if this were to happy indeed let's hope comrades that are brother's in asia can forge and strike the heart of captalist damageing them for ever.

[Rousedruminations]

yes its just a revolution waiting to happen, in India that is, the question is WHEN ? and thats when us comrades will rejoice in utmost enthusiasm after triumph of the Maoist rebels... AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DOUBT THEIR CREDIBILITY THE CPI (Communist party INDIA, has recognized them as a vital force for the revolution) as did comrade Alistair point out in article dated february the 10th ...with a link to support their movment http://in.reuters.com/article/topNew...BrandChannel=0 (http://www.anonym.to/?http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-37939620090210?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0)


...And for Iran, after the spiritual leader Ayatollah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayatollah) Ruhollah Khomeini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini) overthrew the Shah installed leader supported indirectly by the USA through the work of the CIA. Why did the US have a pre-installed dictator in their in the first place ? what were their intentions, the US governments actual agend ?.... so the revolution was needed to subterfuge the 'shah'......and at that time he was already corrupt, and Iran being the oil rich incentive that lures the US into their own country...was something that the US could not take its eyes off....

SO India is a ticking time BOMB ready to explode, just 'when' is what i want to know ! ? so let this thread be for any updates and progressive news in the revolutionary struggle against the central government...

and of course further discussion as to whether communism and a revolution could work in INDIA !

thanks for replying comrades, .. appreciated.

[redSHARP]

i keep hearing about communist groups operating and gaining footholds in many countries across europe and asia. this is great news for all of us! i cant say i am a huge fan of their Maoist tendencies (referring to india), but if that is what they choose then so be it.

[Rousedruminations]

Yes my comrade brother commie ! good news indeed, and as i have previously discussed with Davie zepeda (http://www.revleft.com/vb/../member.php?u=14740) Compañero, if india was to go communist or socialist a whole spiral of events would occur in Asia thus having a big blow to cost neo liberal capitialist nations like the US, and the west..... something that i am intringuigly watching, observing and anciticipating with zest.....

It can only be said that a complete revolution should be expedited through violence, and of course the uneccsary means of hacking innocent children to death in Peru, is not at all appropriate to a revolutionary struggle, hence i am not advocating that at all....

A class struggle ... and i will only repeat myself again comrades...

TWO QUOTES THAT COMES FROM LENIN AND (MAO) and obviously MARX.....

( If you oppose this and consider yourself a revolutionary or a communist, then i suggest u should think twice)

A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another. Mao

There is one, and only one, kind of real internationalism, and that is working whole-heartedly for the development of the revolutionary movement and the revolutionary struggle in one's own country, and supporting (by propaganda, sympathy, and material aid) this struggle, this, and only this, line, in every country without exception.

SO India is a ticking time BOMB ready to explode, just 'when' is what i want to know ! ? so let this thread be for any updates and progressive news in the revolutionary struggle against the central government...

and of course further discussion as to whether communism and a revolution could work in INDIA !

thanks for replying comrades, .. appreciated. http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/misc/progress.gif

[Che_Guevara_]

i condemn ALL unnecessary violence especially against civilians but as communists do we wait to be democratically elected in? no we either take up arms and a) cripple the economy b) overthrrow the government directly
or we could just take power by using words but its slow and may not work.

i encourage you comrades in India..take up arms and Fight for what is Right!

[Davie zepeda]

Could it work comrade do you not know how oppressive India culture is the caste system Wtf!
I think they would be glad if we were to destroy the caste system in India.
The conditions for growth and industry are perfect in India also adding to the fact they don't eat meat it would be a great for the economy not to worry about feeding cows and other byproducts.

[Rousedruminations]

Exactly comrade you are are right !.... in India the Caste system needs to be destroyed and has previously discussed the conditions for a revolution are ripe !

And as a means for a revolution i think it would be necessary to overthrow the government first and if needed cripple the economy.

Talking power by words ? ... whats wrong with you ? words and negotiation will never work.... a revolutionary struggle consists of an armed struggle and that is through sheer and brute force or violence against the Bourgeoisie, capitalist buildings, upper class, very wealthy and affluent ! This is how a revolutionary struggle should work, it is after all a class struggle, a struggle that is between two hostile camps the Proletariat and the Bourgeoisie ... this is my view, and yes India is a revolution waiting to happen .. but the fact that they have taken 40 years to achieve such an outcome, and their affiliation with the Indian Communist Party does test me as to how they are going to achieve a revolution.... it should be a complete insurrection and destruction, not petty or inconsequential terrorist attacks on government buildings... and be expedited however possible !

... however they do employ a good guerrilla tactic of fighting against the central government, the Maoist rebels that is... they simply attack a desired position and rapidly disperse in a direction not as a group but as individual rebels and re-group after several days, this strategic motive maybe used because of the low number of rebels they currently have ...albeit as recruitment levels increase, their tactic may change !

However to say the least the revolutionary outcome, i am imploring that a successful outcome should come sooner or later... lets hope to see that day comes soon ! comrades, and let the Maoist Rebels succeed in however way possible, however, i do think the best way is not an army of such, but by using the masses and arming them to subvert the government - India has the sheer numbers and population for this to occur, and so..... it is my belief that an guerrilla struggle may be not necessary...

Anyway lets hope things go to plan- and if updates of any such improvements are available please post it here for sharing ! thanks .. appreciated comrades !

A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another. Mao

There is one, and only one, kind of real internationalism, and that is working whole-heartedly for the development of the revolutionary movement and the revolutionary struggle in one's own country, and supporting (by propaganda, sympathy, and material aid) this struggle, this, and only this, line, in every country without exception.

[RedStarOverChina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O2WwESwJhw

[Demogorgon]

They bomb trains and control a few villages and other rural areas but you are kidding yourself if you think they have anything like 30% of India under control.

[Rousedruminations]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O2WwESwJhw (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O2WwESwJhw) --- well watch the video :) and it proves that they have more than 30 % of the country under controL !

[Davie zepeda]

Nice documentary

[scarletghoul]

It says they "exert influence" over 30% of the country. That doesn't mean they control it.

Anyway I wish them well