What would be the best situation?

[thinkerOFthoughts]

For a revolution? what would ideally be happening in a country for a revolution to be REALLY effective? economic stress? war? political corruption?

[grok]

For a revolution? what would ideally be happening in a country for a revolution to be REALLY effective? economic stress? war? political corruption?

Throw in Global Warming, and you have a winner, I think.
:p

[wigsa]

For a revolution? what would ideally be happening in a country for a revolution to be REALLY effective? economic stress? war? political corruption?

The only situation a revolution will take place in this century is if a dictatorship or monarchy style ruling is in place.Something like the Shah in Iran in the 80s,the Tsar in Russia in 1917.That's the only scenario a revolution will take place.

[Dóchas]

evry revolution is different so there is no set guidelines on when or how a revolution takes place the people have to adapt to their particular situation

[grok]

The only situation a revolution will take place in this century is if a dictatorship or monarchy style ruling is in place.Something like the Shah in Iran in the 80s,the Tsar in Russia in 1917.That's the only scenario a revolution will take place.

If by dictatorship you mean bourgeois "democracy" -- then, ya.

[Post-Something]

Global economic crisis is near the top of the list.

[Psy]

For a revolution? what would ideally be happening in a country for a revolution to be REALLY effective? economic stress? war? political corruption?
Workers constantly stirring with strikes, slowdowns and factory occupations. The more the workers stir the better.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Global economic crisis is near the top of the list.
Unpopular imperialist wars which strain money out of every single tax payer would be close to the top as well.

[griffjam]

If the truth was revealed.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279

[LOLseph Stalin]

For a revolution? what would ideally be happening in a country for a revolution to be REALLY effective? economic stress? war? political corruption?


I would say bourgeois dictatorship and economic crisis would be the most likely.

[rararoadrunner]

Well, if we look at the two Russian cases of 1905 and 1917, we see defeat in war savaging the entire society: hence the General Strike of 1905, First Soviet, and its defeat; as well as the various phases of the Russian Revolution of 1917, cumulating in the transfer of State power to the All-Russian Congress of Soviets (albeit via the Bolshevik Military-Revolutionary Committees).

Thereafter, most "socialist revolutions" are in fact anti-imperialist struggles with a strong nationalist character: this if far more fertile ground for fascists than for socialist internationalists...and, if socialism is to remain viable under such circumstances, it must immediately begin to triumph beyond the initial revolutionary epicentre(s).

Now, let's look at the "belly of the beast:" right here in the USA which, in my view, is about to be primed for classic, armed fascist-vs.-socialist warfare.

Why do I say this?

The USA, as primary capitalist-imperialist hegemon, is about to fall: it has already fallen victim to its own success, as it has been "hollowed out" economically by international capital.

It is, much as was the Soviet Union before it, built on lies...and the hideous truth behind the lies is becoming more and more evident to more and more people worldwide, including USAmericans.

The problem is that the social divisions within US society prime its working class for fascist, rather than socialist thinking about the crisis now unfolding...and the collapse of the US dollar hasn't happened yet.

When you combine worldwide depression with US hyperinflation, you will have a classic recipie for both socialist revolution and fascist reaction: my own reading here is that, short-term, fascism will triumph.

We socialists must do all we can to fight this rising fascist tide: if it proves too strong for us to fight in the short term, we must be prepared to fight under fascist conditions long-term.

Not an appetising prospect, but one for which we must prepare, both inside and outside the USA.

Back to you, comrades!

[mikelepore]

For a revolution? what would ideally be happening in a country for a revolution to be REALLY effective? economic stress? war? political corruption?

Some descriptions of how some proposed new social systems would operate in considerable detail, to compare to the present system and its problems. Without descriptions of proposed new systems, most people don't think of replacing the old system with a new system, they just think of "find smarter leaders", "pass stronger regulations", "people should love more", etc.

[Decolonize The Left]

For a revolution? what would ideally be happening in a country for a revolution to be REALLY effective? economic stress? war? political corruption?

None of the above.

There is only one "ideal" situation for a revolution to be "really effective" and that is a highly conscious working class. If the working class is conscious of class as the most liberating identity, and is engaged in widespread solidarity, this would be the ideal situation as the 'external factors' (such as economic impressions, war, political corruption, etc...) are all contextualized within the simple framework of class antagonisms.

- August