daily action for socialism and communism

[danyboy27]

hello folks! what are you doing on a day by day basis to somehow spread social progress.

For myself, i am trying to get my work collegues together, and i am helping one of my buddy to find a new job.

i might start writting stuff about logistics inside socialism, something some people tend to overlook that aspect but its something that is verry important. who know? maybe some Tomk-style boss will one day like those idea :D

[Pogue]

Encouraging people to think and act themselves, spreading the ideas that we don't need bosses or their state, showing the oppresed people of the world their real strength.

[Pogue]

In my own very modest was of course :D

[#FF0000]

I just talk to people. Every so often I'll print out little pamphlets from Zabalaza and drop them off on tables around my campus and workplace (with Revleft.com and Libcom.org listed on the back.

I happen to go to a community college, and I happen to have a schedule that puts me in classes with other people who work and have bills to pay, and who are surprisingly receptive to our ideas. Even if I'm not "converting" them, I am at least letting them know what they can do in their workplace to deal with bad management and other problems.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Oh how I wish I had the money to go to university and help spread the cause. Oh well.

In the environment I'm going to that kind of thing is rather looked down upon.

[#FF0000]

Oh how I wish I had the money to go to university and help spread the cause. Oh well.

In the environment I'm going to that kind of thing is rather looked down upon.

I am going to assume that's directed at me and get all defensive and angry at you.

:cursing::cursing::cursing:

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Uh, no. Not at all.

I really wish I had the money to go to university. But it's ok anyways.

[danyboy27]

Oh how I wish I had the money to go to university and help spread the cause. Oh well.

In the environment I'm going to that kind of thing is rather looked down upon.


not necessarly man! IF you cant spread it amongst your co worker, you can still help many leftist to understand the military, give your military knowledge to leftist, there is many things you can actually do!

i doubt rosarch that it was dirrected against you, if abe had the money he would probably go to the university, i think that more what he tried to said.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I hope so, but I highly doubt it.

It's not the Canadian military, after all.

(haha just a joke don't take it personally)

[Killfacer]

Oh how I wish I had the money to go to university and help spread the cause. Oh well.

In the environment I'm going to that kind of thing is rather looked down upon.

Can't you get student loaNS in yanksville?

[danyboy27]

I hope so, but I highly doubt it.

It's not the Canadian military, after all.

(haha just a joke don't take it personally)

wraaarer i am angry at you now!

no. lol

[#FF0000]

Just for the record I'm not really getting all defensive and angry at you, TCoAL

:mellow::mellow::mellow:

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Can't you get student loads in yanksville?

You can.......but I have some things I need to pay for because of some bad decisions.

That's probably the *****iest part, it's easy as fuck to go to college.

edit: Yeah it's cool Rorschach. I didn't mean anything by it at all.

[kiki75]

I talk to folks, too. I'm actually surprised by how many ppl agree with me on a lot of stuff. I'm a resource freak and love sharing information on ways for people to get their needs met within the community.

I volunteer around my town. That's not daily, tho. Getting together with others who are trying to be progressive without the guise of a political group can be very refreshing!

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

In my own very modest was of course :D

You mean wanking off to world of warcraft hentai while singing the international?

[Dr Mindbender]

Can't you get student loads in yanksville?

Is that when you get students to wank in your face? :D

[AtteroDominatus]

I've been informing my peers (I live in the US, and people I know all regard communism as evil or a Utopian ideology that would never work) of the truths of socialism, and communism, and the basis of its beliefs and the roots of its ideologies. So far, a few of them have said I never knew that or that sounds really great or a good idea. Needless to say a few still shirk away from the though or bluntly say it will never work, but I've seen more positive reactions more often :lol:

[Invincible Summer]

I usually try to bring up an Anarchist POV in the debates in my sociology class.

Also, I've talked to my dad about Anarchism and I think I've influenced him somewhat... he started telling me how he thinks the parliamentary system is flawed and how we shouldn't have to vote for issues that don't concern us; he's becoming sympathetic to direct-democracy which is kinda cool since he's a Liberal Party supporter.

[Bud Struggle]

I do my part by oppressing the Proletariat by overworking them and paying them substandard wages. And also by living a wealthy Bourgeoise lifestyle and doing almost no work.

We all have our parts to do to bring about the Revolution. :hammersickle::marx::hammersickle:

[Decolonize The Left]

hello folks! what are you doing on a day by day basis to somehow spread social progress.

For myself, i am trying to get my work collegues together, and i am helping one of my buddy to find a new job.

i might start writting stuff about logistics inside socialism, something some people tend to overlook that aspect but its something that is verry important. who know? maybe some Tomk-style boss will one day like those idea :D

The only most important thing revolutionary leftists can do to spread social progress is to encourage the development of class consciousness.

What does this mean? Simple. Encourage individuals to recognize and identify according to class. This is easier than it seems. Almost all individuals understand and recognize that classes exist, it's just that most view them through the bourgeois lens of 'lower-middle-upper' which is contextualized within the capitalist framework.

The job of the leftist is to reformulate this understanding to a 'working class - capitalist class' perspective. This will allow the individual to better understand the writings of Marxists, socialist jargon, and the general idea of the revolution. Remember that this is a material phenomenon. This is not ideological. A class perspective is rooted in material reality - the evidence is everywhere, one must formulate it into a perspective.

Raise class conscious. You can do it at anytime, through discussion, through writing, through action.

- August

[danyboy27]

The only most important thing revolutionary leftists can do to spread social progress is to encourage the development of class consciousness.

What does this mean? Simple. Encourage individuals to recognize and identify according to class. This is easier than it seems. Almost all individuals understand and recognize that classes exist, it's just that most view them through the bourgeois lens of 'lower-middle-upper' which is contextualized within the capitalist framework.

The job of the leftist is to reformulate this understanding to a 'working class - capitalist class' perspective. This will allow the individual to better understand the writings of Marxists, socialist jargon, and the general idea of the revolution. Remember that this is a material phenomenon. This is not ideological. A class perspective is rooted in material reality - the evidence is everywhere, one must formulate it into a perspective.

Raise class conscious. You can do it at anytime, through discussion, through writing, through action.

- August

i am doing that too, i recently started a trend, people who overwork and underpaid are our guys, and the higher up are their guys.

we tend to trust eachother more, doing things without necessarly implicating the rest of the buisness, its our things, we let eachother do their stuff, we help eachother, we dont go the higer up about our guys problems, we fix them. That didnt stop me from proposing innovative stuff to my boss, its just, they are not our guys, that all. Without starting class struggle all the way, i have to admit that defining ourselves in class help a lot.

we also got a class we cant really define at my job, they are like in the middle of all that, they are from various level of the buisness but they dont seem to identify themselves has being a part of any of those 2 groups.

i dont really mind, they are mostly nice folks.

[Killfacer]

Is that when you get students to wank in your face? :D

You did the best with a pretty unfunny typo, you have my admiration!

[Bud Struggle]

The only most important thing revolutionary leftists can do to spread social progress is to encourage the development of class consciousness.

Interesting, [non snarky answer here] I, I guess because I'm Bourgeois, really tend to push things in the opposite direction. I look to unify the classes, or at least emphasize the commonalities. I wonder if I do that because I'm generally try to be a decent guy and I don't care about a person's class or because I'm kind of pre pregramed to do it because class consciousness is generally "bad" for my class and I'm "fighting" for my class. Or I'm subverting class identification or because maybe the world is a post-class consciousness stage.

All in all, for whatever reason I'm doing it--it's not something I'm doing as some sort of conscious program that I do.

Today I ate lunch with a couple of hotel workers that work for a client of mine. We sat around and talked about our kids and and hopes and dreams for them, fishing, football. All pretty much a couple of guys eating sandwiches together, at least on the surface.

I wonder if anything more was going on. As I said interesting stuff.

[danyboy27]

Interesting, [non snarky answer here] I, I guess because I'm Bourgeois, really tend to push things in the opposite direction. I look to unify the classes, or at least emphasize the commonalities. I wonder if I do that because I'm generally try to be a decent guy and I don't care about a person's class or because I'm kind of pre pregramed to do it because class consciousness is generally "bad" for my class and I'm "fighting" for my class. Or I'm subverting class identification or because maybe the world is a post-class consciousness stage.

All in all, for whatever reason I'm doing it--it's not something I'm doing as some sort of conscious program that I do.

Today I ate lunch with a couple of hotel workers that work for a client of mine. We sat around and talked about our kids and and hopes and dreams for them, fishing, football. All pretty much a couple of guys eating sandwiches together, at least on the surface.

I wonder if anything more was going on. As I said interesting stuff.

well tomk, you are prehaps one of the fews great buisnessman that do that, and seriously, if ALL the people owning a buisness would do that, capitalism would not be crappy like that.

anyway, if you make your employee at ease, you consider them has equal, you already do a great, great job, most of the boss i have met didnt had this decency.

[Invincible Summer]

well tomk, you are prehaps one of the fews great buisnessman that do that, and seriously, if ALL the people owning a buisness would do that, capitalism would not be crappy like that.

anyway, if you make your employee at ease, you consider them has equal, you already do a great, great job, most of the boss i have met didnt had this decency.

If all the bosses in the world ate lunch with their workers, that would not make capitalism better; it would just mean that the bosses are eating lunch with the workers in an attempt to give the workers a "friendly face" to their exploiter.

The Anarchist/Communist critique of capitalism is not based on bosses being all stuck up and refusing to eat lunch with the proletariat. It is based on the fact that the capitalist makes the worker labour for X hours, and pays him for less than X hours of labour, yet sells the product for more (due to added value from the labour), making a profit.

Capitalism says it's okay for there to be bourgeoisie drinking champagne in their private jets while their workers toil at a meaningless job to barely afford groceries. This is wrong - workers should feel like their work is fulfilling and that the work is developing them as a human being, not just as a rote exercise to survive in the dog-eat-dog society we live in.

These are a few basic examples of the problem Anarchists/Communists have with capitalism - it's not just that some bosses aren't as "nice." It goes far beyond that.

[danyboy27]

If all the bosses in the world ate lunch with their workers, that would not make capitalism better; it would just mean that the bosses are eating lunch with the workers in an attempt to give the workers a "friendly face" to their exploiter.

The Anarchist/Communist critique of capitalism is not based on bosses being all stuck up and refusing to eat lunch with the proletariat. It is based on the fact that the capitalist makes the worker labour for X hours, and pays him for less than X hours of labour, yet sells the product for more (due to added value from the labour), making a profit.

Capitalism says it's okay for there to be bourgeoisie drinking champagne in their private jets while their workers toil at a meaningless job to barely afford groceries. This is wrong - workers should feel like their work is fulfilling and that the work is developing them as a human being, not just as a rote exercise to survive in the dog-eat-dog society we live in.

These are a few basic examples of the problem Anarchists/Communists have with capitalism - it's not just that some bosses aren't as "nice." It goes far beyond that.

if you get together with the worker has a boss, slowly the employee will reveal you stuff, and if the boss is someone with common sense, he will eventual;ly pay them better, give them better working together. If my boss wouldreally try to implicate with me more, stuff would get better, beccause he would not have a choice to do something, he would face the problem i have, and eventually do something. I noticed that most of the time it wasnt the lack of money but the lack of understanding that caused most of the fuss.

[Bud Struggle]

The Anarchist/Communist critique of capitalism is not based on bosses being all stuck up and refusing to eat lunch with the proletariat. It is based on the fact that the capitalist makes the worker labour for X hours, and pays him for less than X hours of labour, yet sells the product for more (due to added value from the labour), making a profit.


Fair enough. But is the worker under Communism ALWAYS underpaid? Don't other factors come into consideration? I pay a worker $10 an hour to make a widget for me that I sell for $15, let's say I'm exploiting him. No because of market factors I'm able to sell the product for $30 and I give my employee a $10 raise so he's doing the same job for $20 today that he was doing for $10 yesterday--am I still exploiting him?

The worker has nothing to do with sales or marketing or pricing or invention or financing of the product, he just does job x, he doesn EXACTLY the same labor but now he makes twice as much money.

[danyboy27]

Fair enough. But is the worker under Communism ALWAYS underpaid? Don't other factors come into consideration? I pay a worker $10 an hour to make a widget for me that I sell for $15, let's say I'm exploiting him. No because of market factors I'm able to sell the product for $30 and I give my employee a $10 raise so he's doing the same job for $20 today that he was doing for $10 yesterday--am I still exploiting him?

The worker has nothing to do with sales or marketing or pricing or invention or financing of the product, he just does job x, he doesn EXACTLY the same labor but now he makes twice as much money.

has i said earlier IF all the bosses had your mindset, stuff would be great.
IF society would reward people that would do that, and punish the greedy motherfucker, it would be really nice, hell capitalism could work verry well.

[NecroCommie]

I always carry with me a fur hat with a shiny red star, carrying the symbol of communism. And always on my LEFT arm, is a red armband signifying my lyality to the finnish communist party. I am generally well liked, so this mostly helps on dispelling the myth about us communists being evil.

I also think that the first step to being communist is questioning the necessity of capitalism. Therefore I always point out the fallacities of the system when they come out, in such a way as to make others notice these injustices. When they start noticing these things themselves, the rest happens by itself.